fullgas wrote: » Using the deaths of others to justify your pay packet is a bit low. Gardaí are on a basic salary of €43k before their generous overtime and allowances. They are well paid for what they do.
Boombastic wrote: » Do the gardai get themselves killed deliberately?
SB2013 wrote: » You keep referring to the constitution for some reason. It's not relevent. And the provisions of the Garda Síochána Act may not even be legal under EU law. We'll have to await the courts decision on that. Was there malicious intent in any of those incidents?
Boombastic wrote: » Your original question Stop changing the parameters because the answer wasn't what you expected. Dead is dead, no matter how they met their end. The were at work and got killed. AGSI were in the talks and walked out. Links posted earlier in the thread. The members walked who walked out of the conference were members of AGSI. The GRA weren't in the talks but were represented by the 24/7 alliance.
tayto lover wrote: » The standard of your posts have deteriorated considerably but your anti Garda stance has risen if that's possible.
Boombastic wrote: » Can't admit to being wrong, eh? :P
dj jarvis wrote: » how is getting the same pay cut as the rest of the civil servants being un fairly treated ? they walked out - they stifled their own opinion . as i have said many many times on this thread , they cant have it both ways
Big Davey wrote: » Only thing "most" guards will catch is blue flu. Or maybe an std please read.http://www.herald.ie/news/garda-accused-of-rape-in-station-28906744.html
zonEEE wrote: » The system does not work, it never has done, we have a serious problem when the government cares more for what the Germans/bondholders think of them rather then their own people. Safegard your money, stock up on food/water. Let the fire burn and all the bankers/bondholders/rothschilds in it.
SB2013 wrote: » Yes Gardaí are at high risk for hepatitas A. As such, they have to go through an innoculation program. They are also at risk from many other illnesses as a result of the people they come into contact with. The same can be said for prison guards and nurses.
tayto lover wrote: » BUT they didn't walk out. They weren't IN to walk OUT.
tayto lover wrote: » You are wrong just like you were on the nurses thread.
dj jarvis wrote: » did you not read the link that were put up about this, they WERE in and WALKED OUT :rolleyes:
tayto lover wrote: » According to the General Secretary (can't think of name) they were in a room on a corridor getting feedbacks from some Union rep. They were never inside at the talks i.e. in the room where the talks were taking place.
Boombastic wrote: » So does bench marking
Going Forward wrote: » If the Gaurds, nurses, teachers etc. are so unhappy with their pay etc, they are free to offer their talents elsewhere, resign, and get a sackable non secure non pensionable job in the private sector.Just like that... Get real will ya. I also am fed up listening to the very misleading claims that each gaurd works every Christmas day along with a picture being painted that each and every gaurd is in imminent danger at all times They do not, and hopefully will not reach harm, but they are now finding the same qualified sympathy from much of the general public to whom they displayed general arrogance whilst enthusiastically dishing out points for minor RT misdemeanours instead of engaging and constructively warning the general public. Mix this in with recent and past high profile corruption cases and the wealth of local corruption that occurs below the radar and the fact that each and every ordinary person has accepted cuts that they do not agree with, well we are all in the same boat. When Garda recruitment begins again there will be a stampede to fill such undesirable positions. BTW, I'd love know what the 24/7 group (they dont work 24 hours a day btw) But there are members of this group on duty 24 hours a day, seven days a week, including Christmas and other holidays, just in case YOU need their services. make of the very generous volunteers up and down the country who give up their time free of charge, from the likes of the RNLI to the Order of Malta etc. to selflessly serve the community .Many, many members of these organisations are 24/7 workers as well - but you know that of course. You're just pretending to be dumb. They must really be dumb
SEPT 23 1989 wrote: » 60,000 a year(and the rest) and 600 a week pension(2 million input if they were a private sector worker) when they retire in their 50's get off the fcuking stage:mad:
starviewadams wrote: » They still want boom time level pay and conditions even though it's not the boom anymore.Everyone has taken cuts,get on with or quit. Thousands of others would happily take their ''undesirable'' and ''dangerous'' jobs in a heartbeat if they did.
dj jarvis wrote: » no, the Garda knew what he was getting into after templemore , as i keep saying , not a peep from them when the wages were going up, now we are in the ****ter , they wont take the cut , like the rest of us , regardless of how or why we are here.
dj jarvis wrote: » everyone is forgetting the oath they took - they cant go back on that, its to uphold the law of the land - part of this regulation is not to strike. what part of this are people not getting?
dj jarvis wrote: » and they walked from that it was good enough during bench marking but not good enough now?? this has been said many many times , i suggest you read the thread from the start
dj jarvis wrote: » sure lets EVERYONE stop working , we all have the right to do so , lets bring the house of cards down - rabble rabble rabble
tayto lover wrote: » I don't care about what happened with their benchmarking. Nothing to do with me. What I care about is people being able to air their grievances and being able to represent their members and that is not happening here. It will lead to trouble and the public as usual will suffer as a result. They should be allowed into the room to state their grievances.
darkhorse wrote: » Why not? How better off are we since this this government came to power. Striking en masse might just have woke this government up.
JRant wrote: » What I don't understand is what they want to achieve from the process? They seem to be operating under this strange notion that when you enter into negotiations with your employer you have an equal say in matters.
Boombastic wrote: » Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it true, or do you want all 14,000 members to be allowed in the room? Especially for youhttp://www.agsi.ie/articles/news-alert-agsi-has-not-returned-to-pay-talks/ AGSI HAS NOT RETURNED TO PAY TALKS It has come to notice that AGSI is rumoured to have returned to pay talks on Croke Park. This is entirely false. AGSI has not returned to Croke Park / Extension talks or briefings or negotiations.http://www.frontlinealliance.ie/ The 24/7 Frontline Alliance represents workers, including gardai, nurses, fire fighters, prison officers and ambulance personnel, who deliver emergency and other vital services to the public......................... There are six affiliated unions and staff associations. They are: the Association of Garda Sergeants and Inspectors, the Garda Representative Association, the Irish Nurses & Midwives Organisation, the Prison Officers Association, the and Psychiatric Nurses Association
tayto lover wrote: » Just answer the question for me with a simple "yes " or "no" -- Were the Garda in the room where the talks were taking place?
Big Davey wrote: » 8 died in construction.
Boombastic wrote: » Yes the AGSI were until they walked out AGSI - Association of Garda Sergeants and Inspectors Is this your good cop/bad cop routine? :pac:
twowheelsonly wrote: » Wrong - the they were not in 'the' room where the talks were. The were in another room with the negotiators flitting between them and had no direct input.
