Garda Sgts facing disciplinary hearing after walkout.

Boombastic · 27-03-2013 08:20PM

tayto lover wrote: »

How many people working for the likes of Boards for instance were killed on duty in the last 30/40 years if it is the same for all jobs?

Last year 1 more than the number of Gardai

Jan 4 2013

Workplace deaths In numbers (2012)

Agriculture 21
Construction 8
Fishing 7
Wholesale, retail repairs 4
Water supply, sewerage, waste management etc 3
Transportation storage 1
IT communication 1
Public administration 1
Administrative support 1

Big Davey · 27-03-2013 08:21PM

tayto lover wrote: »

How many people working for the likes of Boards for instance were killed on duty in the last 30/40 years if it is the same for all jobs?:D

More people die every year in construction industry accidents, cop yourself on, no pun intended :-)

Death and Taxes · 27-03-2013 08:22PM

Boombastic wrote: »

Last year 1 more than the number of Gardai

Jan 4 2013

Workplace deaths In numbers (2012)

Agriculture 21
Construction 8
Fishing 7
Wholesale, retail repairs 4
Water supply, sewerage, waste management etc 3
Transportation storage 1
IT communication 1
Public administration 1
Administrative support 1

How many of them were murdered in the course of their duty?

dj jarvis · 27-03-2013 08:23PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I bet you would have been a hoot back in Alabama in the 1960@s standing up for the law. Were those laws and regulations right too?
Would you have insisted the Black woman got up and gave you her bus seat?

Some laws and regulations are just stupid.
Refusing anyone a voice is stupid too.
Allowing Unions into talks but making other bodies sit in adjoining rooms getting the odd briefing is stupid too. No wonder they are protesting.

jasus , bit of a stretch there lad - not really a fair or just comparison
we are talking about a wage cut , not state sponsored racism.

if they had a issue with having no voice , they should not have signed up for the Garda , or the army or the navy ect ect
the knw the facts before the took the job

tayto lover · 27-03-2013 08:23PM

zonEEE wrote: »

Politicians took a oath to act in the best interests of the country/people. This has not been upheld.

The gardai are the one force that could bring the country to a standstill by striking, and I hope they do....

The people of Ireland need a wake up call.

Our forefathers fought for our right to land which the banks are now taking away.

I hope they go on strike too. It would help to bring this house of cards down and we could start again. There is a lot of correcting to be done in this country. This could well be the fuse.

Big Davey · 27-03-2013 08:24PM

WileyCoyote wrote: »

How many of them were murdered in the course of their duty?

8 died in construction.

JRant · 27-03-2013 08:25PM

tayto lover wrote: »

How many people working for the likes of Boards for instance were killed on duty in the last 30/40 years if it is the same for all jobs?:D

I was but I'm fine now, thanks for asking.

tayto lover · 27-03-2013 08:26PM

Boombastic wrote: »

Last year 1 more than the number of Gardai

Jan 4 2013

Workplace deaths In numbers (2012)

Agriculture 21
Construction 8
Fishing 7
Wholesale, retail repairs 4
Water supply, sewerage, waste management etc 3
Transportation storage 1
IT communication 1
Public administration 1
Administrative support 1

Deliberately? If not then why didn't you include RTA statistics?

end of the road · 27-03-2013 08:27PM

Big Davey wrote: »

they are guards because of keep it country style recruiting

because as far as i know guards are not allowed to work in the same town or village they grew up in.

Big Davey · 27-03-2013 08:27PM

WileyCoyote wrote: »

How many of them were murdered in the course of their duty?

Sorry re read your comment, murdered or died what is the difference ? If neglect is found on the part of an employer I guess it could be manslaughter ? The families grieve the same.

tayto lover · 27-03-2013 08:28PM

Big Davey wrote: »

More people die every year in construction industry accidents, cop yourself on, no pun intended :-)

I am not a cop (have been accused of being a SF member, nurse, teacher and God knows what else here).
How many construction workers were murdered for being construction workers?

dj jarvis · 27-03-2013 08:30PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I hope they go on strike too. It would help to bring this house of cards down and we could start again. There is a lot of correcting to be done in this country. This could well be the fuse.

Problem with lighting fires is this ,
Fires will burn all - takes no prisoners

you may bang the table about bringing down the house of cards but the reality of that is far far worse than civil servants getting a pay cut

it annoys me when people shout the burn the place down slogans without realizing the full results of this action

calm heads are needed - not anti Establishment rhetoric that might light a fire none of us can put out

this is why we have garda and defense forces to prevent this , not enable it

tayto lover · 27-03-2013 08:30PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

jasus , bit of a stretch there lad - not really a fair or just comparison
we are talking about a wage cut , not state sponsored racism.

if they had a issue with having no voice , they should not have signed up for the Garda , or the army or the navy ect ect
the knw the facts before the took the job

They may have thought they would have been treated fairly?
That is not happening now.
To stifle a voice or opinion is to deny a right enjoyed by others (Tayto Lover 2013).

SB2013 · 27-03-2013 08:30PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

but very few on this thread have sad they should not be able to voice their concerns - i agree with them , BUT the constitution and garda act is very clear on this - so if they buck this, it sets a dangerous precedence , they can not pick and choose what regulations to uphold and ones to ignore.

its all or nothing - they knew this, and know it - this is why there is not mass walk out by the garda - they are far from stupid.

they know full well what will happen if they push this,
my bet is that after some saber rattling they will back down , but might gain some concessions

This is a no win situation for the garda

the government are loving this - civil servants and the people all fighting over the crumbs

You keep referring to the constitution for some reason. It's not relevent. And the provisions of the Garda Síochána Act may not even be legal under EU law. We'll have to await the courts decision on that.

Big Davey wrote: »

More people die every year in construction industry accidents, cop yourself on, no pun intended :-)

Was there malicious intent in any of those incidents?

tayto lover · 27-03-2013 08:31PM

Big Davey wrote: »

8 died in construction.

Murdered?

Big Davey · 27-03-2013 08:32PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I am not a cop (have been accused of being a SF member, nurse, teacher and God knows what else here).
How many construction workers were murdered for being construction workers?

They died because they were a construction in a more dangerous job than gardai , fact. Murdered, died, what's the difference.

fullgas · 27-03-2013 08:33PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I am not a cop (have been accused of being a SF member, nurse, teacher and God knows what else here).
How many construction workers were murdered for being construction workers?

Using the deaths of others to justify your pay packet is a bit low. Gardaí are on a basic salary of €43k before their generous overtime and allowances. They are well paid for what they do.

Boombastic · 27-03-2013 08:33PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Deliberately? If not then why didn't you include RTA statistics?

Do the gardai get themselves killed deliberately?

dj jarvis · 27-03-2013 08:33PM

tayto lover wrote: »

They may have thought they would have been treated fairly?
That is not happening now.
To stifle a voice or opinion is to deny a right enjoyed by others (Tayto Lover 2013).

how is getting the same pay cut as the rest of the civil servants being un fairly treated ?
they walked out - they stifled their own opinion .

as i have said many many times on this thread , they cant have it both ways

darkhorse · 27-03-2013 08:33PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

but all i am pointing out is that they can not walk out, blue flu or strike, its illegal , unconstitutional

I've looked up the constitution, and the relevant amendments and statutes, and it does not say anything about it being illegal or unconstitutional to have the flu.

tayto lover · 27-03-2013 08:34PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

Problem with lighting fires is this ,
Fires will burn all - takes no prisoners

you may bang the table about bringing down the house of cards but the reality of that is far far worse than civil servants getting a pay cut

it annoys me when people shout the burn the place down slogans without realizing the full results of this action

calm heads are needed - not anti Establishment rhetoric that might light a fire none of us can put out

this is why we have garda and defense forces to prevent this , not enable it

You don't seem to have the Garda behind you now.
A dog can be a great help but kick him often enough and he might turn on you too.

Big Davey · 27-03-2013 08:34PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Murdered?

Who cares ? Are they any less dead ? Only big difference I am sure Garda wives are better looked after financially. So guards lives are WORTH more than other people's lives ?

zonEEE · 27-03-2013 08:35PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

Problem with lighting fires is this ,
Fires will burn all - takes no prisoners

you may bang the table about bringing down the house of cards but the reality of that is far far worse than civil servants getting a pay cut

it annoys me when people shout the burn the place down slogans without realizing the full results of this action

calm heads are needed - not anti Establishment rhetoric that might light a fire none of us can put out

this is why we have garda and defense forces to prevent this , not enable it

The system does not work, it never has done, we have a serious problem when the government cares more for what the Germans/bondholders think of them rather then their own people.

Safegard your money, stock up on food/water.

Let the fire burn and all the bankers/bondholders/rothschilds in it.

Boombastic · 27-03-2013 08:35PM

darkhorse wrote: »

I've looked up the constitution, and the relevant amendments and statutes, and it does not say anything about it being illegal or unconstitutional to have the flu.

They didn't really have the flu

tayto lover · 27-03-2013 08:36PM

Big Davey wrote: »

They died because they were a construction in a more dangerous job than gardai , fact. Murdered, died, what's the difference.

Huge difference between and accident and a deliberate murder.
If you can't see that then I give up.

hawkelady · 27-03-2013 08:37PM

Big Davey wrote: »

They are guards because of nepotism , keep it country style recruiting , an inferior selection process. Most are ignorant, arrogant, small minded prats totally unsuited to the job. From my experience.

Wow. Sweeping statement. How many guards have you come across " in your experience ". I mean how many is "most"?

your experience has probably consisted of you getting caught by AGS!!
How 'd ya like that sweeping statement.

tayto lover · 27-03-2013 08:37PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

how is getting the same pay cut as the rest of the civil servants being un fairly treated ?
they walked out - they stifled their own opinion .

as i have said many many times on this thread , they cant have it both ways

BUT they didn't walk out. They weren't IN to walk OUT.

Big Davey · 27-03-2013 08:38PM

darkhorse wrote: »

I've looked up the constitution, and the relevant amendments and statutes, and it does not say anything about it being illegal or unconstitutional to have the flu.

It should be morally wrong to any decent Garda to get blue flu, any Garda that gets blue flu is showing his/her hand in my opinion (scum)

Big Davey · 27-03-2013 08:43PM

hawkelady wrote: »

Wow. Sweeping statement. How many guards have you come across " in your experience ". I mean how many is "most"?

your experience has probably consisted of you getting caught by AGS!!
How 'd ya like that sweeping statement.

Only thing "most" guards will catch is blue flu. Or maybe an std please read.

http://www.herald.ie/news/garda-accused-of-rape-in-station-28906744.html

Boombastic · 27-03-2013 08:43PM

Your original question

Originally Posted by tayto lover
How many people working for the likes of Boards for instance were killed on duty in the last 30/40 years if it is the same for all jobs?

tayto lover wrote: »

Huge difference between and accident and a deliberate murder.
If you can't see that then I give up.

Stop changing the parameters because the answer wasn't what you expected. Dead is dead, no matter how they met their end. The were at work and got killed.

tayto lover wrote: »

BUT they didn't walk out. They weren't IN to walk OUT.

AGSI were in the talks and walked out. Links posted earlier in the thread.

The members walked who walked out of the conference were members of AGSI. The GRA weren't in the talks but were represented by the 24/7 alliance.

Garda Sgts facing disciplinary hearing after walkout.

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