Indian Gang Rape of Swiss Tourist.

Eramen wrote: »

Again, this isn't a women's issue, I don't know why you insist on treating it asuch. It's criminal activity that we are actually addressing here, not a political activity.

In this case this rape is a criminal offense, yet all these other things your bringing up are cultural differences in legalism and social values.

As I said, I'm not going to berate others when there are so many problems in our own back yard (that you are conveniently ignoring).

Where did I ignore them? Seriously, where did i ignore them. If you want I can go back a few pages and get the post where i said rape was a problem in all countries.

And how is rape not a woman issue?

Eramen wrote: »

Where does this kind of moralizing that you are practicing stop? Are we going to bomb others into the ground from being 'undemocratic' or 'anti-human rights' etc as we've seen in the past? Or are we going to culturally annihilate like we are currently doing to everyone who disagrees with your political tenets? It's called Westernisation.

Did i even vaguely suggest that? I've even said that it's ok to respect other cultures, but that doesn't mean that i have to accept human rights abuses. Or do you think that gay men in Iran deserve to be hung? do you believe that women in saudi deserve to be whipped when raped? And do you think that women in India deserve to be eve teased?

Legal or illegal in those countries, these are aspects of their cultures which I feel free to criticize. Because they are abhorrent. whether it be by virtue theory, Utilitarianism, natural law or any ethical theory under the sun. The only one that alows it is a strict adherence to relativism. And that's just silly. Pluralism is grand. Respect other cultures, but that doesn't mean condoning child rape.

As for bombing, yes on occasion for what it's matters. I'm not about to look at rwanda, see genocide and think, that's just their culture. those silly hutus and tutsis, always chopping each other up. Should we bomb everyone like saudi etc? No. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't happen when people are losing their lives on a mass scale.

Then again, i guess you'd have dinner with Kim Jong un and probably tell us that it all came from his father.

Eramen wrote: »

The problem is ideological westerners like yourself want to spread your system of false-values all over the world, regardless if the other culture (or us) is in the right or wrong. We need to sort out our own house first before we speak of others. The only way we can bring lasting change or convince others to imitate us is if we show them, by example, that our way is inherently better and more fruitful. Period.

And where did i suggest that i wanted to spread my false values? Actually, define false values. Tell me what values I hold, and then tell me why their false. I can't think of anything I've posted here that would suggest that. But you seem to think you know me so tell me what they are.
And how exactly do you think you can accuse me of trying to spread western values and yet at the same time say

The only way we can bring lasting change or convince others to imitate us is if we show them, by example, that our way is inherently better and more fruitful. Period.

?

For what it matters, i don't buy into the messianic ideas of the enlightenment, whereby every society is progressing to a final point. I don't buy into the end of history or some ideal perfect utopia that we're progressing to. but you seem to think i do, why?

meridiangroup wrote: »

Delighted for ya. And thanks for sharing your views on the morality of warfare, bombing etc. Enlightening stuff.

Now, if anybody cares to point me to the existence of any correlating information between the accused's purported cultural values and this crime, I'd be delighted to see it.

You mean all the stuff in the first few pages about how women have it ****ty (no pun) in India. why don't ya go read that, the links and then mayby google something you lazy fecker. then maybe contribute something.

Nodin wrote: »

Rather a generalisation, but yes, its poor, raw and harsh in many places. As are large swathes of the world.

does it really take much to actually burn a body as opposed to just leaving it to rot in a river though

Gyalist wrote: »

Two German men were attacked in the Phoenix Park, one of them died and the other only escaped the same fate by pretending that he was dead. Their mistake was in assuming that the park was a safe place for camping. Irish people seem to have very short memories. Was that attack a fair reflection of Ireland in general?

it was 22 years ago, many people in this thread/forum weren't even born then

should we consider Australia or Wales to be some f*cked up place where women can't venture outdoors alone? No, of course not, because of isolated incidents, just like the one you allude to.

woodoo wrote: »

I wouldn't recommend any western woman go to india.

I did, and then do you know what I went and did? I married one :eek:

homemadecider wrote: »

You married a Western woman?

Funny

Actually, on topic, it truly is the most sexist, patriacharal society I couldn't even begin to write about it here. Attitudes and mentalities still aren't really changing that much despite the growing educated, middle/professional classes.

Ruudi_Mentari wrote: »

Lefties must be even more frowned upon there. Imagine you didn't know, that it was not just polite but essential to only wipe with your (left) hand...

and I think with the Ganges too many people spoiled the broth. What a fcuking nauxious corpse soup

One day I was walking beside the ganges, I then slipped into it, I still to this day don't feel clean after it. Had to throw out the clothes and all.