Indian Gang Rape of Swiss Tourist.

The Aussie · 16-03-2013 10:56AM #1

From the country that holds Cattle in higher regard than Woman.

"A Swiss woman was gangraped by a group of eight unidentified persons in Datia district of Madhya Pradesh, police said today.

The incident took place near the town late last night when the woman along with her husband was touring the region on a bicycle as part of their India tour, Datia SP, C S Solanki told PTI.

The couple was camping at a place on their way back from Orchha, where temples of Lord Ram are situated, and were proceeding to Agra when they were looted and the victim was allegedly gangraped in the presence of her husband, police said.

The woman has been admitted to Kamalaraje hospital in Gwalior and her medical tests have confirmed rape, police sources said.

Eight persons have been rounded up on the basis of suspicion and are being questioned in connection with the case, the SP said.

"We are scouring the forest area in search of those involved in the crime," he said without giving more details."

http://newindianexpress.com/nation/article1504011.ece

keith16 · 16-03-2013 11:00AM

rounded up on the basis of suspicion

WTF

dark crystal · 16-03-2013 11:01AM

What an absolutely horrific ordeal for that couple. I honestly don't get how human beings can inflict such torture on others.

Hopefully these bastards are caught and put away for the rest of their miserable lives.

Grayson · 16-03-2013 11:02AM

keith16 wrote: »

WTF

bad translation? people are generally arrested under suspicion, then charged and then tried, then found guilty (if they're guilty). It's just a way of saying it.

Tom_Cruise · 16-03-2013 11:03AM

I know there are cruel people in this world, but when i hear about something like this its makes me wonder what must be going through these peoples heads - if anything at all.

muckisluck · 16-03-2013 11:03AM

And this in a country who sent for our ambassador to voice their concerns about medical practice in our country. Physician heal thyself!

Cuddlesworth · 16-03-2013 11:04AM

keith16 wrote: »

WTF

Police there will grab 8 people, force them to confess and move on.

Although a European camping in India is worse then pitching a tent in a Darndale green.

Banjo String · 16-03-2013 11:08AM

The Aussie wrote: »

From the country that holds Cattle in higher regard than Woman.

Number of female prime ministers of India: 1
Number of bovine prime ministers of India. 0

Bit of an exaggeration OP.

Grayson · 16-03-2013 11:09AM

SamHall wrote: »

Number of female prime ministers of India: 1
Number of bovine prime ministers of India. 0

Bit of an exaggeration OP.

But they have had multiple famines because they won't shoo cattle away from crops.

and let's not look at dalits too closely shall we?

The Aussie · 16-03-2013 11:13AM

SamHall wrote: »

Number of female prime ministers of India: 1
Number of bovine prime ministers of India. 0

Bit of an exaggeration OP.

In Hinduism, the cow (Sanskrit: go) is revered as the source of food and symbol of life and may never be killed. Hindus do not worship the cow, however, and cows do not have especially charmed lives in India. It is more accurate to say the cow is taboo in Hinduism, rather than sacred.

Cattle treated with respect. Yes
Women treated with respect. No

OP. no exaggeration.

corktina · 16-03-2013 11:14AM

multiple famines? link please

lazygal · 16-03-2013 11:16AM

Grayson wrote: »

But they have had multiple famines because they won't shoo cattle away from crops.

[Citation needed]

Oranage2 · 16-03-2013 11:20AM

Amazing India :rolleyes:

I really don't see the appeal of India, its pretty much all one big sh!thole.

Inbox · 16-03-2013 11:32AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Amazing India :rolleyes:

I really don't see the appeal of India, its pretty much all one big sh!thole.

I can back that statement up :eek:

http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/pictures/filthy-india-photos-chinese-netizen-reactions.html

Grayson · 16-03-2013 11:35AM

lazygal wrote: »

[Citation needed]

The very first result when you google it

http://www.lhup.edu/tbaylor/Adobe%20Docs/Harris_Indias_Sacred_Cow.pdf

Here's something with a more modern slant

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/vegetarianism-is-indias-curse-it-must-be-ditched-8424146.html

16-03-2013 11:51AM

'Rape' occurs in most, if not all, countries in the world, the tragic case of the young Romanian woman Mariora Rostas being an example, so let's not 'gang-up' on India so readily.

msg11 · 16-03-2013 11:52AM

Inbox wrote: »

I can back that statement up :eek:

http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/pictures/filthy-india-photos-chinese-netizen-reactions.html

Oh my god. :eek:

Gyalist · 16-03-2013 11:52AM

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Police there will grab 8 people, force them to confess and move on.

Although a European camping in India is worse then pitching a tent in a Darndale green.

Two German men were attacked in the Phoenix Park, one of them died and the other only escaped the same fate by pretending that he was dead. Their mistake was in assuming that the park was a safe place for camping. Irish people seem to have very short memories. Was that attack a fair reflection of Ireland in general?

Pumpkinseeds · 16-03-2013 12:01PM

9959 wrote: »

'Rape' occurs in most, if not all, countries in the world, the tragic case of the young Romanian woman Mariora Rostas being an example, so let's not 'gang-up' on India so readily.

In all fairness, things are out of hand in India and gang rapings of women there has been a major concern for Indian women for quite some time. It would seem that punishing rapists has not been something that the Indian government or police have really taken seriously.

There are so many reported cases now of the gang rapes of women and children, god only knows how many go unreported, and the murdering of the rape victims is an even more sinister aspect of these rapes. It would appear that there are many organised gangs of men prowling around with the intent of gang rape. Something is clearly very, very wrong in India and personally I wouldn not even consider going there.

How in the hell are that couple ever going to have a normal relationship again? The woman underwent a horrific and violent gang rape, while her partner was forced to watch it, unable to help her. That is 2 lives destroyed.

Grayson · 16-03-2013 12:05PM

9959 wrote: »

'Rape' occurs in most, if not all, countries in the world, the tragic case of the young Romanian woman Mariora Rostas being an example, so let's not 'gang-up' on India so readily.

Unfortunately so. But it does happen more in countries where women are valued less. One only has to see the rates of female infanticide and foeticide (sp?) to see that women are valued less than men.

That's not to tar everyone with the same brush. the protests after the bus rape were a good sign. But unfortunately there's still a very long way to go.

corktina · 16-03-2013 12:06PM

msg11 wrote: »

Oh my god. :eek:

Indeed but then one shouldn't judge from our standards. Were there a fairer distributuion of wealth in the world, these issues could be tackeled , but there isn't. Despite our economics woes, we are still amongst the richest in the world.

Grayson · 16-03-2013 12:09PM

And i forgot to mention eve teasing

Eve teasing is a euphemism used in India and sometimes Bangladesh[1] for public sexual harassment or molestation of women by men, with use of the word "Eve" being a reference to the biblical Eve, the first woman.[2] It implies that the woman is in some way responsible for the behaviour of the perpetrators of this act. Considered a problem related to delinquency in youth,[3] it is a form of sexual aggression that ranges in severity from sexually suggestive remarks, brushing in public places and catcalls to outright groping.[4][5][6] Sometimes it is referred to with a coy suggestion of innocent fun, making it appear innocuous with no resulting liability on the part of the perpetrator.[7] Some voluntary organisations have suggested that the expression be replaced by a more appropriate term.[8] According to them, considering the semantic roots of the term in Indian English, Eve teasing refers to the temptress nature of Eve, placing responsibility on the woman as a tease.[9]

Sexual harassment by strangers, as with any type of harassment, has been a notoriously difficult crime to prove, as perpetrators often devise ingenious ways to harass women, even though eve teasing usually occurs in public places, streets, and public transport.[10] Some feminist writers claim that this behaviour is a kind of "little rape".[11] Some guidebooks to the region warn female tourists to avoid attracting the attention of these kinds of men by wearing conservative clothing.[12][13] However, this harassment is reported both by Indian women and by conservatively dressed foreign women.[14]

16-03-2013 12:11PM

Inbox wrote: »

I can back that statement up :eek:

http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/pictures/filthy-india-photos-chinese-netizen-reactions.html

That's horrific..

michael999999 · 16-03-2013 12:14PM

corktina wrote: »

Indeed but then one shouldn't judge from our standards. Were there a fairer distributuion of wealth in the world, these issues could be tackeled , but there isn't. Despite our economics woes, we are still amongst the richest in the world.

So rich people don't rape?

You might tel that to the victim of anthony lyons and see if she thinks the same!

Uriel. · 16-03-2013 12:14PM

corktina wrote: »

Indeed but then one shouldn't judge from our standards. Were there a fairer distributuion of wealth in the world, these issues could be tackeled , but there isn't. Despite our economics woes, we are still amongst the richest in the world.

Why do we always blame somebody else?

It's the West's fault for gang rapings in India because we have developed a (partially) civilised society and have prospered. God forbid these animals in the East actually step up to the plate and act like human beings and work on developing themselves

(Not referring to all eastern people in this regard)

biko · 16-03-2013 12:17PM

http://s4.postimage.org/5x1coql2l/protester_sign.jpg

mandrake04 · 16-03-2013 12:19PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Amazing India :rolleyes:

I really don't see the appeal of India, its pretty much all one big sh!thole.

Been there..... Unfortunately. Toilet of the world.

MissFire · 16-03-2013 12:26PM

Inbox wrote: »

I can back that statement up :eek:

http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/pictures/filthy-india-photos-chinese-netizen-reactions.html

Forking hell! I know what I'm going to be thinking about for the rest of the day!

Grayson · 16-03-2013 12:27PM

corktina wrote: »

Indeed but then one shouldn't judge from our standards. Were there a fairer distributuion of wealth in the world, these issues could be tackeled , but there isn't. Despite our economics woes, we are still amongst the richest in the world.

I agree and disagree (I do that a lot)

I know what you're driving at. Societies which are not as advanced tend to have customs and attitudes that we consider backwards. they are attitudes that were prevalant in europs and the US 50 or 100 years ago.
In india, a lot of the protesters would have been from the newer middle class. Wheras in a village which barely has telephones, they might have more archaic customs and attitudes towards women.

I half agree. I'll often mention in a discussion about islam, that most of the bad attitudes are in countries which are backwards. More modern countries tend to have a version of islam which is more compatible with our value system.
the societies that don't are barely out of the agrarian phase and have, despite their faults managed to progress about 300 years in a period of 50. But they are still behind us.

This doesn't mean i can't judge their actions. There's a difference between pluralism and relativism. With one I can accept that different doesn't mean bad. With the other I can't judge at all.

And although I can think that the society has progressed a lot, i can still condemn the crimes that occur and judge both those who commit them & the society that created those attitudes.

Kintarō Hattori · 16-03-2013 12:28PM

I was reading the thread and someone posted a link to a Chinese related site. I was browsing it and came across the thread below. The views of posters there are pretty shocking (in relation to the rape of a man by a woman).

It highlights the massive gap culturally between nations and that what we see as civilized. While I don't think we're always right or just, other countries have a long way to 'progress'. It's not exactly how I'd like to phrase it but right now I'm still too sleepy.

http://www.chinasmack.com/2013/pictures/bold-powerful-chengdu-woman-rapes-passing-man-on-street.html

16-03-2013 12:30PM

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

I was reading the thread and someone posted a link to a Chinese related site. I was browsing it and came across the thread below. The views of posters there are pretty shocking (in relation to the rape of a man by a woman).

It highlights the massive gap culturally between nations and that what we see as civilized. While I don't think we're always right or just, other countries have a long way to 'progress'. It's not exactly how I'd like to phrase it but right now I'm still too sleepy.

http://www.chinasmack.com/2013/pictures/bold-powerful-chengdu-woman-rapes-passing-man-on-street.html

Good lord

Indian Gang Rape of Swiss Tourist.

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