Indian Gang Rape of Swiss Tourist.

Zebra3 · 16-03-2013 12:31PM

Meanwhile here in Ireland not one RC priest or bishop who helped their colleagues carry on raping kids has ever faced any charges for their crimes.

Oranage2 · 16-03-2013 12:31PM

China smack is just a Chinese troll site

Kintarō Hattori · 16-03-2013 12:34PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

China smack is just a Chinese troll site

So I'm figuring out- I had never heard of it before this morning.

Grayson · 16-03-2013 12:35PM

Inbox wrote: »

I can back that statement up :eek:

http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/pictures/filthy-india-photos-chinese-netizen-reactions.html

I think that needs a warning attached. I haven't seen that many corpses since reading about genocide

mikom · 16-03-2013 12:42PM

muckisluck wrote: »

And this in a country who sent for our ambassador to voice their concerns about medical practice in our country. Physician heal thyself!

Well in fairness, in Ireland we usually murder our Swiss students after raping them.........

No one should be taking the high ground on either issue.

Sir Oxman · 16-03-2013 12:43PM

Inbox wrote: »

I can back that statement up :eek:

http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/pictures/filthy-india-photos-chinese-netizen-reactions.html

Seriously??!!
Holy fúck.

crockholm · 16-03-2013 12:44PM

I normally hate the whole whataboutery thing prevalent on AH, but when I think of gang rape,the first instance in my head is the Cratloe woods rape, whats shocking is that they're out now, in short,lets not turn this into a fukk India thread.Hope the couple are getting the treatment they need,and hope the rapists will get the treatment we want.

kellso81 · 16-03-2013 12:47PM

Grayson wrote: »

More modern countries tend to have a version of islam which is more compatible with our value system.

We like to think that but it's not necessarily the case,

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/crime/violence-against-women-girls/female-genital-mutilation/

"In the UK, it is estimated that up to 24,000 girls under the age of 15 are at risk of female genital mutilation. Across government work is taking place to tackle this cruel and brutal practice."

Blondini · 16-03-2013 01:02PM

Inbox wrote: »

I can back that statement up :eek:

http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/pictures/filthy-india-photos-chinese-netizen-reactions.html

Holy sweet lamb a jaysus

Dymo · 16-03-2013 01:15PM

But in India a a woman who can be seen is seen as a woman available for violation,rapid modernization and urbanization in India have made women, especially young women, visible as never before. And as a white women in India, Indian men think they are open game as they have lower moral standards as there not covered in head to toe and can treat them as objects and hiss at them in the streets to show them there intentions.

http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/01/as-a-girl-in-india-i-learned-to-be-afraid-of-men/266813/

Rapists and sexual assailants also know they are likely to get away with their crime: While the NCRB reported a 112 percent increase in reported rapes between 1990 and 2008, three-fourths of accused perpetrators remained in 2011 at large and only 26 percent were convicted in 2012

Grayson · 16-03-2013 01:19PM

kellso81 wrote: »

We like to think that but it's not necessarily the case,

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/crime/violence-against-women-girls/female-genital-mutilation/

"In the UK, it is estimated that up to 24,000 girls under the age of 15 are at risk of female genital mutilation. Across government work is taking place to tackle this cruel and brutal practice."

That's not islam. In the west we just tend to recognise it as islam because in a lot of the countries where it's performed, they are predominately muslims.

think of it like the issue of rape. It's a problem in many countries like India and pakistan. One's hindu, one's muslim. In reality it's the underlying culture.

Patrick2010 · 16-03-2013 01:20PM

mikom wrote: »

Well in fairness, in Ireland we usually murder our Swiss students after raping them.........

No one should be taking the high ground on either issue.

You make it sound as its a regular practice, its happened once as far as we know. Does it mean that we can't comment on the widespread practice of rape in India?

Barna77 · 16-03-2013 01:32PM

Inbox wrote: »

I can back that statement up :eek:

http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/pictures/filthy-india-photos-chinese-netizen-reactions.html

Jesus Christ almighty.... I'm sick now

corktina · 16-03-2013 01:53PM

mandrake04 wrote: »

Been there..... Unfortunately. Toilet of the world.

I guess it depends on where you go to an extent.

I'm going next year for a family wedding, part of me is terrified and part of me feels you should confront your fears. (just as I eventually did regarding Belsen and Auschwitz which I was in denial about for many years, not been there yet but I will)

I'm delighted I shall have local guides with me all the same

(PS I expected the Ganges to be bad, but those pictures exceeded my fears)

Wattle · 16-03-2013 02:09PM

Dymo wrote: »

But in India a a woman who can be seen is seen as a woman available for violation,rapid modernization and urbanization in India have made women, especially young women, visible as never before. And as a white women in India, Indian men think they are open game as they have lower moral standards as there not covered in head to toe and can treat them as objects and hiss at them in the streets to show them there intentions.

This is true. I've been with groups of women in India and Sri Lanka who were 'felt up' in busy crowded marketplaces. They do see western women as being easy. There's a definite immaturity when it comes to sexual matters.

I can't totally dismiss India though. It's an amazing and fascinating country. Westerners don't always like it, it's hot, it's crowded, there's poverty. It's too intense and full-on for some people but I'm glad I went there.

Grayson · 16-03-2013 02:42PM

Wattle wrote: »

I can't totally dismiss India though. It's an amazing and fascinating country. Westerners don't always like it, it's hot, it's crowded, there's poverty. It's too intense and full-on for some people but I'm glad I went there.

I get that. I've always wanted to go there. it's a country that's a subcontinent that's how bid and diverse it it, it's a fecking subcontinent.

The Aussie · 16-03-2013 02:45PM

Grayson wrote: »

The very first result when you google it

http://www.lhup.edu/tbaylor/Adobe%20Docs/Harris_Indias_Sacred_Cow.pdf

Here's something with a more modern slant

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/vegetarianism-is-indias-curse-it-must-be-ditched-8424146.html

So YES, Cattle treated better. :pac:

Thanks for links.

Aidric · 16-03-2013 02:47PM

Vile stuff but it's dangerous to stereotype a nation based on the actions of a disgusting few. There is no denying that there is a significant issue with gang rapes in India though.

teenage dirtbag · 16-03-2013 02:54PM

Despicable Nation. And they had the idiocy to produce this headline

"Ireland murders Indian dentist"

The Aussie · 16-03-2013 02:58PM

Aidric wrote: »

Vile stuff but it's dangerous to stereotype a nation based on the actions of a disgusting few.

Agreed 100%, but the more its highlighted and the more awareness the better, for locals and sadly enough now for Foreigners.

Aidric wrote: »

There is no denying that there is a significant issue with gang rapes in India though.

It does seem to a epidemic, but is these the only ones that have been reported, how many others are there?
A quick search turned up this story (link included)

"Rape is in the spotlight in India as reported cases continue to rise. Source: AFP
TWO women have been kidnapped and gang-raped near Delhi in two separate incidents that highlighted the persistent risk of sexual assault in India.
In one case, three men abducted and attacked a 19-year-old woman, who hailed an auto rickshaw carrying two male passengers near a popular shopping centre in Delhi's satellite city of Ghaziabad last weekend, a police official said.
"The driver drove the rickshaw to a remote forested area where he and the two other men repeatedly raped her before fleeing the area," Nitin Tiwari, Ghaziabad's senior superintendent of police, said.
The teenager then made her way to a local police station where she filed a case against her attackers, two of whom confessed to their crimes earlier this week, Supt Tiwari said.
Police are still in pursuit of the third man, he added.
The second incident involved a 25-year-old woman who met one of her alleged attackers in a park in east Delhi on Wednesday to discuss a possible job opportunity, Delhi police press officer Satbir Singh said.
"She said the man offered her a soft drink, which she drank before passing out due to some illicit substance in the drink. When she woke up, she found herself trapped in a car with a few other men inside," Mr Singh said.
"The men raped her before dumping her near a dustbin, where police found her lying unconscious at two in the morning," he said.
Police have registered a case and are hunting for the alleged attackers, he added.
Police also said a three-year-old child who was allegedly kidnapped and gang-raped had been admitted to a hospital in the southern state of Kerala, local media reported Thursday.
The toddler went missing on Tuesday morning, before a group of school students found her lying unconscious outside and called the police, according to NDTV news channel.
The child sustained several injuries and has already been through two surgeries at a hospital in Kozhikode city, where she is currently under observation.
The crimes provide grist for a growing debate in India over the status of women and girls and their safety in the country.
Rape incidents in Delhi alone have doubled this year, India's minister of state for home affairs Mullappally Ramachandran told the upper house of parliament on Wednesday.
The Indian capital has seen around four rape cases a day since January 1, compared to an average of two rape cases registered daily in 2012, though the increase could be attributed, in part, to more reporting by emboldened women.
Thousands took to the streets to protest against India's treatment of women following the fatal gang-rape of a 23-year-old student on a moving bus in Delhi"

http://www.news.com.au/world-news/two-woman-gang-raped-in-india/story-fndir2ev-1226592816087

Da Shins Kelly · 16-03-2013 03:04PM

What is wrong with these men? And it's even scarier to think that there are thousands of others just like them who have and will do the same thing. Meanwhile the Indian government is completely corrupt and insensitive and out for themselves, basically turning a blind eye and perpetrating victim blaming. They'd want to pull it together. It's an awful place to be a woman.

kraggy · 16-03-2013 03:08PM

Inbox wrote: »

I can back that statement up :eek:

http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/pictures/filthy-india-photos-chinese-netizen-reactions.html

For **** sake. Yeah, pick Varanasi and paint the whole of India as being like that.

Varanasi is known for one thing - the cremation of bodies by the Ganges river. Anyone who goes to Varanasi knows that this occurs. The rest of India is not like that.

Grayson · 16-03-2013 03:10PM

This was the worst one I'd heard of

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/21/india-violence-rape-murder-girls

India has been hit by another case of sexual violence after three sisters aged five, nine and 11 were raped and murdered in a remote village.

The three girls, who lived with their mother in Lakhni village in Maharashtra state, disappeared on 14 February, on their way home from school. Their widowed mother is a poor labourer, and when the grandfather went to the police to report their disappearance there was no attempt to search for them.

The police found the bodies of the three girls in an old well two days later, and recorded the deaths as "accidental". But it was only after people from the village blocked a national highway on Wednesday in protest against the police inaction that the state home minister finally took notice.

A preliminary medical examination showed that all the girls had been raped before being killed.

Eramen · 16-03-2013 03:17PM

I think people who leave European countries to visit other parts of the world and who are expecting people to have and uphold the same values as ourselves are sorely misleading themselves.

The social rules that apply here do not apply there. You can't live over there as if you were over here. Most people that I see that get into serious trouble abroad were not paying attention to this fact and stupidity let their own illusions take over themselves.

Now I'm not saying that it's their fault when trouble besets them, just that usually they have their head in the clouds with the 'People are all the same in the end and want the same things in life'. It's a very naive western conception of the world - borne out of the comfortable and safe life we live in the west (for now).

It just doesn't fly, nor it is applicable, in the rest of the world. People are different.

Da Shins Kelly · 16-03-2013 03:25PM

Eramen wrote: »

I think people who leave European countries to visit other parts of the world and who are expecting people to have and uphold the same values as ourselves are sorely misleading themselves.

The social rules that apply here do not apply there. You can't live over there as if you were over here. Most people that I see that get into serious trouble abroad were not paying attention to this fact and stupidity let their own illusions take over themselves.

Now I'm not saying that it's their fault when trouble besets them, just that usually they have their head in the clouds with the 'People are all the same in the end and want the same things in life'. It's a very naive western conception of the world - borne out of the comfortable and safe life we live in the west (for now).

It just doesn't fly, nor it is applicable, in the rest of the world. People are different.

Doesn't mean that the attitudes towards women there are okay just because it's "a different culture". I don't believe in this whole idea of just blankly respecting and accepting certain differences in culture just because they are different and because we're Westerners who "don't understand".

Eramen · 16-03-2013 03:36PM

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Doesn't mean that the attitudes towards women there are okay just because it's "a different culture". I don't believe in this whole idea of just blankly respecting and accepting certain differences in culture just because they are different and because we're Westerners who "don't understand".

I'm not saying these attitudes are okay, nor is this a 'women's issue', it's a whole different cultural and regional mindset that we must realise exists when we are traveling to other places that have different values than ourselves.

It's a fairly simple thing to take into account. Thing is Westerners today don't think it's a big deal, possibly because notions of a 'world equality' are popular right now, so they don't receive these other cultural hinterlands with the appropriate mindset. That they have many inherent differences to our own culture, our values and national character.

We shouldn't accept this in our community and land, but I'm not in the business of telling others how to behave in their own nations. I'm neither a moralizer nor egoist, and asuch I don't commit myself to such 'all-pervading' blanket arguments.

The best and most suitable thing to do is to lead by example in our own lives and nations, not by moralizing and pressuring others into doing 'what we think is right'. We've seen where that leads to: 'bringing freedom and democracy to the poor unfortunates and all that etc'. All peoples have their own distinct values in the end, even if one may be better than another.

alphabeat · 16-03-2013 03:40PM

Inbox wrote: »

I can back that statement up :eek:

http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/pictures/filthy-india-photos-chinese-netizen-reactions.html

jumping jesus !

so india = hell ?

Grayson · 16-03-2013 03:45PM

Eramen wrote: »

We shouldn't accept this in our community and land, but I'm not in the business of telling others how to behave in their own nations. I'm neither a moralizer nor egoist, and asuch I don't commit myself to such 'all-pervading' blanket arguments.

No, that's wrong.
There's a difference between accepting cultural differences like hats, food, wiping your arse with no toilet paper, praying 5 times a day or whatever. And on the other hand saying we can't condemn gang rape, or the stoning of women for adultury (islamic countries), burning them for honor (india) etc.

Spunge · 16-03-2013 03:52PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6161691.stm

A survey of more than 1,000 men in India has concluded that condoms made according to international sizes are too large for a majority of Indian men.

Eramen · 16-03-2013 03:59PM

Grayson wrote: »

No, that's wrong.
There's a difference between accepting cultural differences like hats, food, wiping your arse with no toilet paper, praying 5 times a day or whatever. And on the other hand saying we can't condemn gang rape, or the stoning of women for adultury (islamic countries), burning them for honor (india) etc.

Again, this isn't a women's issue, I don't know why you insist on treating it asuch. It's criminal activity that we are actually addressing here, not a political activity.

In this case this rape is a criminal offense, yet all these other things your bringing up are cultural differences in legalism and social values.

As I said, I'm not going to berate others when there are so many problems in our own back yard (that you are conveniently ignoring). Where does this kind of moralizing that you are practicing stop? Are we going to bomb others into the ground from being 'undemocratic' or 'anti-human rights' etc as we've seen in the past? Or are we going to culturally annihilate like we are currently doing to everyone who disagrees with your political tenets? It's called Westernisation.

The problem is ideological westerners like yourself want to spread your system of false-values all over the world, regardless if the other culture (or us) is in the right or wrong. We need to sort out our own house first before we speak of others. The only way we can bring lasting change or convince others to imitate us is if we show them, by example, that our way is inherently better and more fruitful. Period.

I'm not in the business of sponsoring a chauvinistic so-called neo-'liberal' political mindset/ideology/culture to spread all over the world because we disagree with others based on our perceived 'credentials' for doing so. That will end quite badly for everyone concerned.

Indian Gang Rape of Swiss Tourist.

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