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Formula 1 2013:Round 1 - Australian Grand Prix

  • 13-03-2013 1:11pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭


    Our winter of discontent is almost over! New season starting on Sunday and it's gonna be a cracking year!!!
    Are we there yet? It’s a familiar refrain to everyone but for each team on the pitlane this weekend’s Australian Grand Prix will be the first time that they really see “where” it is. Every team works through testing with their cards held close to their chests by running with different fuel loads and aero programmes.

    It is only once the teams head to Melbourne that they will be able to compare their car to the opposition in equal conditions. The opening race weekend of the season is always exciting. Fans get to see racing back on the TV but for the teams it is also the most nerve wrecking time of the year.

    Melbourne’s street circuit has given a host of thrilling races over the last twelve seasons and with the battle at the front looking exceptionally close ahead of this season it is clear that this weekend should provide another cracker!

    The Albert Park Circuit
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    It’s difficult to overtake in Melbourne so finding the right balance and managing your tyres will be crucial for whoever wins this weekend. Reliability is put to the test with numerous heavy braking zones. The bumpy surface also ensures that maximum concentration is required from the drivers at all times as Lewis Hamilton explains:

    “It's a street track with a really bumpy surface so you try and put as much downforce on the car as possible and it really puts the drivers to the test,” said the Mercedes racer.

    The safety car makes a regular appearance during this race with only the 2011 having been an uninterrupted race. The reasons for the safety car are obvious with first lap incidents common place in Melbourne.

    The opening chicane has seen its share of accidents with the most spectacular arguably the 2002 clash between Ralf Schumacher and Rubens Barrichello. This section is quite fast and open on the way in before narrowing sharply at the apex. Once through it the field powers towards turn three, another corner with a history of accidents.

    In the inaugural Melbourne Grand Prix Martin Brundle barrel rolled through the gravel trap after crashing into David Coulthard as the Scotsman looked to avoid another incident. With two DRS zones this year turn three is expected to offer a key overtaking chance in Melbourne.

    The opening sector of the lap ends with turn five. Braking into this slow right hander is difficult as the road is covered by a canopy of trees making it hard to spot your braking and turn in points. It’s easy to put your left rear onto the grass and lose the back end on the way into the corner.

    Once through turn five drivers head towards the ever accelerating turn six and seven before hard braking into turn eight; another slow chicane. Once through the chicane drivers accelerate through the long left hander that leads into the superfast turn 11 and 12 chicane. Drivers approach this at top speed before flicking the car into the fast left-right complex.

    Turn 13 is another slow right hander and the last genuine overtaking opportunity of the lap before the drivers make their way back to the start finish line through the final series of corners.

    Testing paints an incomplete picture


    With testing limited to just 12 days the early races could be pivotal in how the championship will unfold. Unreliability or a lack of understanding of their car can cost teams dearly in the early races and even though the new cars are evolutions of recent year’s designs it is still worth remembering that these are prototype machines and it is very easy for problems to arise.

    McLaren seemed to struggle in testing to understand their new suspension systems so the pace and consistency of Jenson Button and Sergio Perez will be worth monitoring throughout the weekend. Button a veteran of over 200 Grand Prix has seen it all during his 13 year career but the unknowns ahead of the opening race of the season still excites him:

    "One of the most fascinating things about Formula 1 is the way it resets itself each and every winter,” commented the former champion. “I've seen every side of that: you can have a terrible winter of testing, then turn up at the first race and be competitive; equally, you can look impressive in winter testing and be nowhere in Melbourne. If you're lucky, it all comes together in the tests and you hit the ground running at the first race. That's always the goal.

    "This year, I don't think any team really knows or understands the competitive order. It's been an extremely hard-to-read winter: varying fuel-loads and levels of tyre degradation mean that it's hard to accurately predict who'll arrive in Australia with the best-sorted car. But that's part of the game.”


    Testing has indicated that the fight at the front will be exceptionally close with McLaren, Red Bull, Ferrari and Lotus all within a couple of tenths of each other and Mercedes having the potential to be very quick on occasion. If this is the case the strategic implications could be huge.

    With tyres lasting only a handful of laps in testing it is clear that the Pirelli rubber will play the most significant role in the outcome of races again this year. At certain races it might be advantageous to hold back a set of tyres from Q3 and just accept a lower grid placing to have fresh rubber throughout.
    It is unlikely that this situation will arise in Melbourne where the norm has been for two stops in recent years but at some of the more abrasive tracks it will be worth keeping an eye on.

    Usual suspects up front


    The season will open with the usual contenders for pole position and the victory but the fight is exceptionally close between Red Bull, McLaren and Ferrari. When everything is working on the McLaren it seems, like last year, to have an edge in terms of outright pace but the team has struggled for consistency in testing.

    Red Bull on the other hand spent the winter running with quite high fuel loads but once their weight penalty was taken into account they seemed to be very fast in race trim. The RB9 looks consistent and relatively easy on it’s tyres in comparison to its rivals. From trackside observations it seems that Sebastian Vettel and Mark Webber are as confident in the new car as they have been with its predecessors and both should be very competitive this weekend.

    Webber has reveled in his role as unwanted by Helmut Marko but with Red Bull, Dieter Mateschitz, having confirmed his support for the Australian this season should be more comfortable for Webber.

    At Ferrari this year’s preseason was much more promising than last years and the new car seems very competitive in the hands of both Fernando Alonso and Felipe Massa. If the team is to have a chance of winning this weekend they will need to be more aggressive with their race strategy than in the last couple of years but the speed of the new car is certainly giving them more confidence.

    Question marks hang over Mercedes and Lotus


    Behind the leading trio we will find Mercedes and Lotus. Both have had moments of glory in testing but with question marks about the consistency of the Mercedes and the reliability of the Lotus it is hard to put them in the same bracket as the established pace setters.

    In Barcelona both Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton topped the timesheets with hugely impressive lap times but given that Mercedes was over one second a lap off the pace for much of last year it is very difficult to see them having overcome such a deficit over the last couple of months.

    Even so Hamilton has always gone well at Melbourne and with rain forecast over the weekend he could spring a surprise. The Englishman however has been keen to downplay his chances:

    “We had a good, reliable car during winter testing so that's the positive we can take with us into the weekend but we know that in terms of performance, everything begins again from zero in Friday practice,” said the 2008 world champion.

    At Lotus there is however much more reason for optimism. The team was the most consistent of all runners throughout the winter with a string of impressive mid range stints including the most eye catching race stint by Romain Grosjean at the first Barcelona test.

    It seems that the new car has carried forwards the positives of last year’s model with impressive tyre management. If they can find improved single lap speed they should be very impressive once again and Kimi Raikkonen is far from a dark horse for the world title but a lot will hinge on their reliability.
    In testing only Williams completed less mileage with their 2013 car, and this was in large part due to having tested an interim car at Jerez. If Lotus can iron out the kinks they will be a contender but until they do so they have to be viewed in a lesser light than the leading trio.

    Midfield battle likely to be led by Sauber again


    Sauber, Force India, Williams and Toro Rosso will all be fighting tooth and nail to claim sixth position in the Constructors’ Championship this season and the opening race should give us an indication of where each team stands ahead of a long season.

    Only Toro Rosso name and unchanged driver lineup so this could be an advantage for the team as both drivers should be fast from the start of practice but given the teams underperformance last year they have a huge amount of ground to make up in comparison to their rivals.

    Sauber could have won races last year and even though Nico Hulkenberg should give them a major life this season it will be very difficult to match their achievements from 2012. Realistically if Sauber can build on last year and cement their place as the sixth best team on the grid this will have been a very successful season. They have gone well in Australia in recent years and if they can give Hulkenberg a strong car this weekend he could be a Q3 participant and points scorer.

    Williams will be looking to build on their very promising 2012 campaign. Pastor Maldonado will need to keep his car on the island and avoid the unnecessary crashes that made up much of last summer. He has tremendous potential and when he is in a position to score well and battle at the front he invariably looks fantastic but in the tight battle in the midfield of 2013 scoring regular points will be far more important than hitting the high notes.

    Force India has had a turbulent winter with the Vijay Mallya having been at the centre of numerous financial reviews for his Kingfisher brands. Kingfisher Airlines are heavily in debt and it is clearly placing a tremendous strain on Mallya’s resources and with Sahara also having run into similar issues the funding of the team is a major question mark for their future.

    The new car seems reasonable and di Resta has shown that he is a very capable driver but he needs to improve on his performances last year. It seemed like he was out-psyched by Hulkenberg last year so having Adrian Sutil alongside him should make things much easier.

    They were teammates in 2010 and di Resta was able to match Sutil throughout the campaign. With an extra years experience he should be comfortably quicker. Will it be enough to lift Force India back into sixth position in Constructors Championships? It’s hard to know but Melbourne will at least give us an indication of how the midfield is shaping up for the rest of the year.

    Setup challenges facing the teams in Melbourne


    Track evolution is key at Albert Park. Once the running starts the grip improves dramatically with more and more rubber being put down and the racing line being cleared up. The weather this weekend is for showers over the weekend so after each shower the track surface will be cleaned and drivers will have to start the process of “rubbering in” the track surface. This will lead to greater wear on the tyres and will obviously play a role in how teams set their cars up over the weekend.

    Sauber’s Head of Track Engineering, Tom McCullough, talks us through some of the key difficulties facing engineers this weekend:

    "Melbourne is a typical street circuit with significant track evolution,” said the Englishman. “It is very important to have good braking stability and a car that performs well in the low to medium speed corners. The layout of the track also requires the car to have a good change of direction. It will be interesting to see how the new generation Medium and Super Soft Pirelli tyres perform at a track with less high speed corners than our two test tracks."

    Mike Coughlan, the Williams Technical Director, also commented on the challenges of Albert Park:

    “Melbourne is a high power sensitivity circuit, more so than Spa-Francorchamps which is quite surprising. Ambient temperatures can be very high, fuel consumption is high and there is increased brake wear. The ambient temperatures in Jerez and Barcelona are very different to what we expect to find in Australia, so we’ll be looking very closely at tyre degradation during practice on Friday.”

    As Coughlan said the track will place a strain on engines this weekend and Rémi Taffin, Head of Renault Sport F1 Track Operations, also commented on the difficulties that the engine manufacturers face in Australia:

    “Albert Park is a tough place to start the season as it represents a hard challenge for engines,” said the Frenchman. “The average speed is towards the top of the table, while the percentage of the lap spent at full throttle is also one of the highest of the season. The short bursts of power between corners put the internals under intense pressure, while greatly increasing fuel consumption; in fact the fuel consumption per 100km is the second highest of the year.”

    Formula 1 revolves around Pirelli tyres


    Pirelli’s third season as the sole tyre supplier begins in Australia and the Italian manufacturer will bring with them the medium and supersoft tyres. It is likely that with a clean track surface and low ambient temperatures that the rubber will be given a serious work out but it is unlikely that we will see excessive wear and two stops should still be the winning strategy.

    Paul Hembery, the tyre manufacturer’s motorsport director, spoke about how they are prepared for the season opening Grand Prix:

    “We’re bringing the P Zero White medium tyres and P Zero Red Supersoft to Australia,” said the Englishman. “This is the first time that we have nominated this particular combination for Melbourne. We’ve deliberately gone for a more extreme tyre choice than last year that delivers extra performance, but this should still result in between two and three pit stops per car: our target for the year.

    “There was quite a lot of degradation in testing, but this will be reduced once we get to the warmer conditions of Melbourne, where the tyres should be operating within their intended working range. Albert Park is a temporary venue, so we would expect to find a very slippery and ‘green’ surface when we arrive, but the grip level will improve considerably once the track begins to rubber in over the course of the weekend.

    "All the compounds and constructions have changed for 2013, and the drivers should notice a wider working range and a bigger window of peak performance. The performance gaps between the compounds are also larger, which means that teams have a greater opportunity to use strategy to their advantage by exploiting the consequent speed differentials."


    Weather for this weekend


    Friday is forecast to be dry and overcast but showers are expected to roll into Melbourne on Saturday afternoon before qualifying and stay present until the end of the weekend.

    Past Winners:
    Year|Driver|Constructor
    2012|Jenson Button|McLaren-Mercedes
    2011|Sebastian Vettel|Red Bull-Renault
    2010|Jenson Button|McLaren-Mercedes
    2009|Jenson Button|Brawn-Mercedes
    2008|Lewis Hamilton|McLaren-Mercedes
    2007|Kimi Raikkonen|Ferrari
    2006|Fernando Alonso|Renault
    2005|Giancarlo Fisichella|Renault
    2004|Michael Schumacher|Ferrari
    2003|David Coulthard|McLaren-Mercedes
    2002|Michael Schumacher|Ferrari
    2001|Michael Schumacher|Ferrari
    2000|Michael Schumacher|Ferrari
    1999|Eddie Irvine|Ferrari
    1998|Mika Hakkinen|McLaren-Mercedes
    1997|David Coulthard|McLaren-Mercedes
    1996|Damon Hill|Williams-Renault

    TV Broadcast start times:
    Day|Session|Time|Channel
    Friday|FP1|01:00|SKY F1
    |FP2|05:15|SKY F1
    Saturday|FP3|02:45|SKY F1
    |Qualifying|05:00|SKY F1
    Sunday|Race|04:30|SKY F1

    Stats:
    Total tptstop time|24s
    Average Starting position of winner|2nd
    Average margin of victory|10s
    Finishing rate|57%
    Number of times winner started on pole|8
    Number of times winner has led every lap|2


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Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭thewheel2.0


    The statistics are much appreciated Frostie, especially the TV times!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭iDave


    6 Nations, Premier League, GAA league and club finals and up at the crack of dawn to watch F1. Paddies Days, plenty of pints, no work on Monday. Think this could be a great weekend.


  • Registered Users Posts: 562 ✭✭✭-gilly-09-


    Can't believe the season is back already. Taught the break would take forever, it flew in. Love the fact we have no idea what to expect, well apart from the usual Red Bull sh!te. Fancy Gro to spring a few surprises.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,433 ✭✭✭✭Ghost Train


    Great that it's that time of year again, love that there's the possibility of surprises or somebody a bit different moving to the front of field. Will be good to find out where each of the top teams is at

    Not sure I'll have as much time for doing the competitions this year if somebody else feels like having a stab at it, I'll put up a questions poll tomorrow evening if needed but that won't leave much time before qualifying


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Damn, another whole season with Vettel on the opening VT :P


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭Grim.


    time for tea!


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Diet coke for me!

    Would've been great to have DRS from turn 10 to run 13 including the chicane, really shake things up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭Rascasse


    Tea? Diet Coke? Weak.

    Good to see some decent track temperature. No doubt we won't see true pace till tomorrow, though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭Grim.


    Rascasse wrote: »
    Tea?

    It's more of survival thing tbh house is feckin freezing


    While they're not my favorite race car engine its still sad to think this is the last season of the v8's.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭Rascasse


    Well, this is about as much fun as staring at the Vatican's chimney looking for smoke.

    Does the Sauber remind anyone else of the 2010 HRT? Saw it first in testing and thought it was just the dodgy stream, but it is definitely the sameish shade of gray plus the white and red.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 937 ✭✭✭Kevski


    So Vettel is fastest in P1, 0.078 ahead of Massa, with Alonso in third and Hamilton in fourth. Button was 9th and Perez 11th...bet Hamilton is delighted with himself :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,528 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    Button to win and go on to win the season, just to stick it to Hamilton :pac:


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 17,135 Mod ✭✭✭✭cherryghost


    Ah here, fastest in both sessions...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭StephenHendry


    watched both sessions this morning on setanta unlike last year :p good start for RB and vettel, i think lewis will be reasonably happy with the competitiveness of his car , they may have a few reliability issues with the car. mclaren struggled.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,259 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Have the mercenaries already got this sewn up?


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,577 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76


    Gintonious wrote: »
    Have the mercenaries already got this sewn up?

    Mercedes??

    Lewis was supposedly on a very fast lap when he went off I read. I really hope Merc are genuinely fast and give him a chance to fight for race wins or podiums at least. Be a nice two fingers to those who said he was mad to leave McLaren.

    /Edit: Nice video here showing some of the new developments on the cars: http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/formula-1/8566881/ted


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,523 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    I'm trying not to read too much into todays times but I really hope Mclaren and Williams will find more speed than they showed this morning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭frostie500


    Clearly, we're not as quick as we'd like to be, so our task now is to work hard to find out why our car is like it is, particularly in terms of ride and downforce. Our short runs weren't particularly encouraging, to be honest. We're a couple of seconds off the pace, by the looks of things, and that's always going to be disappointing for a team as successful as Vodafone McLaren Mercedes. But, in a situation like this one, all you can say is that there's a hell of a lot of work for us to do - and that we're well up for it. This team is incredibly good at turning things around, performance-wise, when that's what's required.
    Tough day at the office for McLaren today I was very surprised to see the times this morning and see how far off the pace they were. I couldnt watch today's sessions, not available on German tv, but hopefully they can figure something out in time to have a chance of getting some points


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,523 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    New feature for 2013 on Sky - Kimi's quote of the week.

    Reporter: There's no Michael Schumacher. Will you miss him?
    Kimi: No (smiles and walks off)

    http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/formula-1/8567236/kimi's-quote-of-the-week-15th-march


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,259 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    I was referring to RB.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭lolie


    frostie500 wrote: »
    Tough day at the office for McLaren today I was very surprised to see the times this morning and see how far off the pace they were. I couldnt watch today's sessions, not available on German tv, but hopefully they can figure something out in time to have a chance of getting some points

    I can see mclaren struggling this year with no hamilton.
    Looking at the times i hope its not 2011 all over again.
    Sport1 Germany were listed to have FP1 highlights and FP2 live.
    Also highlights of both at 1pm irish time.


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don't like this. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭frostie500


    lolie wrote: »
    I can see mclaren struggling this year with no hamilton.
    Looking at the times i hope its not 2011 all over again.
    Sport1 Germany were listed to have FP1 highlights and FP2 live.
    Also highlights of both at 1pm irish time.

    I wouldnt be quick to write them off and Button has shown over the last three years that he's every bit as good as Hamilton. I think that they're struggling with the suspension and it will obviously take a bit of time for them to get it sorted out but if we get showers tomorrow and Sunday anything could happen.

    I think Sport1 is one of the premium channels over so I'll be relying on RTL as my FTA channel for F1 for the first few months of the season!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭lolie


    Sport1 is free to air, i watch the darts on thursday nights.
    Check it out.
    http://robssatellitetv.m.webs.com/site/classic?url=http://robssatellitetv.webs.com/liveftasports.htm&back=http%3A%2F%2Frobssatellitetv.m.webs.com%2Fsite%2Fmobile%3Furl%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Frobssatellitetv.webs.com%2Fliveftasports.htm

    I dont rate Button as good as Hamilton overall, when he's gets the setup right he's a match for him but to often with a bad setup he was nowhere.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    We're a couple of seconds off the pace

    A couple of seconds?? :eek:


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 17,135 Mod ✭✭✭✭cherryghost


    EnterNow wrote: »
    A couple of seconds?? :eek:

    2.3 to be exact


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,166 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199


    frostie500 wrote: »
    I wouldnt be quick to write them off and Button has shown over the last three years that he's every bit as good as Hamilton. I think that they're struggling with the suspension and it will obviously take a bit of time for them to get it sorted out but if we get showers tomorrow and Sunday anything could happen.

    How did you come to that conclusion?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,323 ✭✭✭Max_Charger


    Jordan 191 wrote: »
    How did you come to that conclusion?

    Differences are starting early.

    God tis' good to be back. I missed this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭frostie500


    Jordan 191 wrote: »
    How did you come to that conclusion?

    Based on the fact that over the last three years there was very little to choose between them in race trim. I dont for a second think that Button is able to pull a laptime out the bag as well as Hamilton and if the car isnt working as he needs it to be he is not capable of muscling it to do as he wants like we see Hamilton do but over their three years as teammates Button outscored Lewis and had more podiums.

    Points (2010-2012) Button: 672 Hamilton: 657
    Wins Button: 8 Hamilton: 10
    Podiums Button: 25 Hamilton: 22

    If McLaren can give him the car that he needs he is as good as anyone else on the grid and he's shown that time and time again over the last four years.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    frostie500 wrote: »
    Points (2010-2012) Button: 672 Hamilton: 657
    Wins Button: 8 Hamilton: 10
    Podiums Button: 25 Hamilton: 22

    It'd be a lot of work, but I'd be interested in seeing the figures where car failure is taken into account


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭frostie500


    EnterNow wrote: »
    It'd be a lot of work, but I'd be interested in seeing the figures where car failure is taken into account

    Button has had a few car failures as well and it was only last year that Lewis had mechanical issues, the years before were his own mistakes crashing out of races or into other cars.

    Don't get me wrong if I was a team manager I'd want Lewis because he has a much bigger spectrum of performance whereas Jenson needs everything to be perfect for him to get the most of the car and himself. It's just that over the last few years he has shown that when he has the car to his liking he is ever bit as good as everyone else.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    frostie500 wrote: »
    Button has had a few car failures as well and it was only last year that Lewis had mechanical issues, the years before were his own mistakes crashing out of races or into other cars.

    Even taking Lewis' own mistakes into account, I'd wager if car failure was ruled into the point tally that he'd beat Button on points


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭frostie500


    EnterNow wrote: »
    Even taking Lewis' own mistakes into account, I'd wager if car failure was ruled into the point tally that he'd beat Button on points

    Maybe it would but the only point that I was making was that over their three years as teammates there wasnt much of a difference between their race performances and points total as you'd think from looking at the domination that Hamilton had over button in qualifying. Once we got to Sunday Button invariably found a way to make up for lacking that ultimate bit of qualifying speed to put in so many good drives in races


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    frostie500 wrote: »
    Maybe it would but the only point that I was making was that over their three years as teammates there wasnt much of a difference between their race performances and points total as you'd think from looking at the domination that Hamilton had over button in qualifying. Once we got to Sunday Button invariably found a way to make up for lacking that ultimate bit of qualifying speed to put in so many good drives in races

    Totally agree, careful he who underestimates what Button can behind the wheel :)


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,577 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76


    EnterNow wrote: »
    Totally agree, careful he who underestimates what Button can behind the wheel :)

    Pit crew from other teams beware too! :pac:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Andrew76 wrote: »
    Pit crew from other teams beware too! :pac:

    The Red Bull incident? :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    I'm going to miss the Button/Hamilton pairing. It was the most interesting in Formula 1. It's amazing that two wildly different driving styles could, over the course of three years, produce broadly similar results.

    Given the unpredictability of the first race, I'm tempted to put some money on Button. He's currently priced at 16/1 with Paddy Power.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,577 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76


    EnterNow wrote: »
    The Red Bull incident? :pac:

    Aye, was a real wtf were you thinking moment. Maybe it was wishful thinking on his part. :D
    RayM wrote: »
    I'm going to miss the Button/Hamilton pairing. It was the most interesting in Formula 1. It's amazing that two wildly different driving styles could, over the course of three years, produce broadly similar results.

    Given the unpredictability of the first race, I'm tempted to put some money on Button. He's currently priced at 16/1 with Paddy Power.

    If it's a dry race then I'd guess a Vettel v Lewis tussle. If it's wet, Alonso will be in with a shout.


  • Registered Users Posts: 128 ✭✭jay_haych


    Gary Anderson's predicted Melbourne grid.

    Rosberg 1:19.730

    2 Button 1:19.764

    3 Vettel 1:19.797

    4 Hamilton 1:19.886

    5 Raikkonen 1:19.968

    6 Alonso 1:20.004

    7 Webber 1:20.113

    8 Perez 1:20.348

    9 Grosjean 1:20.498

    10 Massa 1:20.576

    11 Maldonado 1:20.705

    12 Bottas 1:20.868

    13 Sutil 1:21.247

    14 Hulkenberg 1:21.341

    15 Di Resta 1:21.464

    16 Gutierrez 1:22.353

    17 Vergne 1:22.823

    18 Pic 1:22.915

    19 Bianchi 1:22.967

    20 Ricardo 1:23.138

    21 Chilton 1:23.903

    22 Van Der Garde 1:24.035


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21660055


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    EnterNow wrote: »
    It'd be a lot of work, but I'd be interested in seeing the figures where car failure is taken into account

    2010:
    Hamilton:
    Spain: Lost 2nd when a tyre blew out. - 18 points, Button +2.
    Hungary: Lost 4th due to gearbox. -12 points, Button +2


    Button:
    Monaco:Started 8th, mechanic left something on the car which overheated the engine. Looked likely to have decent race pace. -4.
    Belgium: Lost 1st when Vettel crashed into him. -25, Hamilton +10.

    Total for the year due to mechanical retirements, Hamilton -20, Button -25.



    2011:
    Hamilton:
    Brazil, gearbox, retired from 6th (as far as I can figure out). -8.

    Button:
    Britain: Retired from 5th (I think) just after a pitstop and was getting up to speed. -10
    Germany: Retired from around 7th with hydraulics issues. -6

    Total for the year due to mechanical retirements: Hamilton -8, Button -16.


    2012
    Hamilton:
    Europe: Lost 3rd and was fading badly. Let's be generous though. :pac: Hamilton -15, Button +2.
    Belgium: Started 8th, was taken out by Grosjean. -4
    Singapore: Gearbox gone in lead. Hamilton -25, Button +3.
    Abu Dhabi: Lost the lead. Hamilton -25, Button +2.
    Brazil: Hamilton -25, Button +7.

    Button:
    Bahrain: Think it was 8th or 9th he retired from, we'll go with 9th so I'm not accused of bias. :pac: -2
    Italy: Lost a solid 2nd and looked like he might make it interesting with Hamilton towards the end. -18

    Total for year: Hamilton -94, Button -19.
    Total for 3 years: Hamilton -122, Button -60.

    62 is more than how many Button outscored Hamilton obviously but there's still some room for argument. Europe 2012 Hamilton blew his tyres, his fault and wouldn't cede. Spain 2010 Hamilton lost out when his wheel broke, does anyone think that would happen with Button? I also haven't included Korea last when Button was taken out because he wasn't in the points, but he had tyre advantage etc.

    There was next to nothing to separate the two McLaren lads in the end. The predictions of what Hamilton would do to Button were pretty hilarious.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,166 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199


    frostie500 wrote: »
    Based on the fact that over the last three years there was very little to choose between them in race trim. I dont for a second think that Button is able to pull a laptime out the bag as well as Hamilton and if the car isnt working as he needs it to be he is not capable of muscling it to do as he wants like we see Hamilton do but over their three years as teammates Button outscored Lewis and had more podiums.

    I agree with that. If Jenson has a slump like he did with setup and tyre issues last year, it could cost him the championship this year.

    Last year, Lewis got most out of the McLaren compared to Jenson.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,323 ✭✭✭Max_Charger


    2010:
    Europe 2012 Hamilton blew his tyres, his fault and wouldn't cede.

    The Maldonado incident? Maldonado was the only one penalised for that after the race.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭SnowDrifts


    Europe 2012 Hamilton blew his tyres, his fault and wouldn't cede.

    Lol.. I remember your flawed logic after that race. Like the poster above states, only one driver got a penalty for this and rightly so. Maldonado came from off the track into the side of Lewis. How anyone can blame Lewis for that is beyond me :confused:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,701 ✭✭✭Charlie-Bravo


    Holy crap, cannot contain myself...grinding my teeth in anticipation. New season....AAAAARRRRRGGGHHHH!

    -. . ...- . .-. / --. --- -. -. .- / --. .. ...- . / -.-- --- ..- / ..- .--.



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I meant it was his fault that he blew his tyres. Good to see you're all dying to jump before we're even at qualifying, Christ. The point of it being in the list is that it was a retirement that he probably wasn't at fault for. That's why him turning in on Kobayashi in Spa isn't included for example. But keep your fingers on those triggers, I'm sure I'll make some more grammatically ambiguous statements again soon.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭SnowDrifts


    I meant it was his fault that he blew his tyres. Good to see you're all dying to jump before we're even at qualifying, Christ. The point of it being in the list is that it was a retirement that he probably wasn't at fault for. That's why him turning in on Kobayashi in Spa isn't included for example. But keep your fingers on those triggers, I'm sure I'll make some more grammatically ambiguous statements again soon.

    It was the "wouldn't cede" part I was disagreeing with.

    Anyway, your right - on to the morning's qualifying. Can't wait and even though I'm sure Red Bull has it in the bag, I hope its closer than is being predicted. A Vettel 2013 show sounds very bleak.


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Obviously it's hard to judge much from FP but Kimi looks roughly where he was last season. Better/more aggressive pit strategy could put him in the title picture if it is indeed the case.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,166 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199


    And the rain is falling in P3.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 329 ✭✭Cereal Number


    boom boom boom boom let me hear ya say way oh!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,433 ✭✭✭✭Ghost Train


    Rain does mix things up a bit, and people saving wets means they think they might need them later on, Vettel having issue is nice to see too


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