Mad Men Season 5 [ Spoilers ]

Jimmy Iovine · 13-06-2012 11:24pm

DonnieScribbles wrote: »

Really loved this season but found the finale disappointing.

I wish it wouldn't always have to be brought back around to Don. There's a whole bevy of great characters yet it always works its way back to Don. This worked for the first season or two because his background was still a mystery and we were just learning how much of a 'self made man' he really is. It feels a bit like his arc has run its course now. Bringing it back to him likely resuming the role of cheating husband just seems tired. Also, if that means they're relegating Megan to a Betty 2 role then that's a complete waste of a great character.

Mad Men has occasionally veered towards the all-style-no-substance line and it did it here for sure. The Bond theme as Don walks away?! Thought it was cringeworthy. Him being constantly reinforced as 'cool' is problematic, as it glosses over some of the many questionable aspects of his character. I always remember that horrible scene where he threatens Bobbie Barrett in Season 2 and think - that's the same guy we're watching now. Really unsettling. I liked that they were making him seem weaker this season, feeling threatened by Ginsberg, his successful pitch actually being down to Joan selling herself, etc. It seems like they backtracked on this a bit in this episode, which is disappointing, it was a good place to go with him.

But yeah, so many good characters, screen time is wasted on Don.

Could fall in to the overly stylish category too but I got a kick out of that wide shot of them in the new offices too. Very nice.

I'd be very surprised if they did this. She is one of the few people around that has stood up to Don. Most of the guys in the office are scared shítless of him (with the exception of Roger, Cooper and Ginsburg).

For her to walk away from SCDP and try her hand at acting like she did shows that she's not afraid of what he wants.

Betty was a totally different character. She was useless. All she did was sit around all day in the house with the kids. I can't see Megan being as naive if Don does go down the affairs road.

leakyboots · 14-06-2012 3:51pm

DonnieScribbles wrote: »

Mad Men has occasionally veered towards the all-style-no-substance line and it did it here for sure. The Bond theme as Don walks away?! Thought it was cringeworthy.

I thought the song was perfect and the montage that ran parallel to the (great) lyrics was very well done. I don't see what Bond has to do with it at all, it's a great, great song and used well here to wrap things up and raise questions about the season to come.

You only live twice
Or so it seems
One life for yourself,
One for your dreams
You drift thru the years
And life seems tame
'Till one dream appears,
Love is it's name
And love is a stranger
Who'll beckon you on

Don't think of the danger,
Or the stranger is gone
This dream is for you
So pay the price
Let one dream come true
You only live twice
And love is a stranger
Who'll beckon you on
Don't think of the danger,
Or the stranger is gone
This dream is for you
So pay the price
Make one dream come true,
You only live twice

DonnieScribbles · 14-06-2012 5:33pm

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

I'd be very surprised if they did this. She is one of the few people around that has stood up to Don. Most of the guys in the office are scared shítless of him (with the exception of Roger, Cooper and Ginsburg).

Yeah you're probably right actually. I guess it would make Don reverting to his old ways less of a lazy move, as she'd be calling him out on it all the time and that would create more conflict. But she seemed to be settling for less than she wanted in that final scene... I don't know, will have to wait and see!

leakyboots wrote: »

I thought the song was perfect and the montage that ran parallel to the (great) lyrics was very well done. I don't see what Bond has to do with it at all, it's a great, great song and used well here to wrap things up and raise questions about the season to come.

I can see how the song has relevance as a song in its own right but you hear the first few chords and you think of Bond, there's no escaping it, it's a cultural icon I suppose. I think they used it quite purposefully there too, aligning Don with the Bond type character; smooth talking, unflappable, a hit with the ladies. It's all a bit tired and hackneyed and overlooking loads of stuff so it annoyed me. Just seemed overly stylish for the sake of it. Even the way the shot was set up, him striding away... The montage after I have no problem with, just that shot where he walks away from Megan on the set in the studio. Seemed a bit vapid. Maybe it's a small point to be taking issue with, but it stood out.

iguana · 14-06-2012 7:20pm

DonnieScribbles wrote: »

I can see how the song has relevance as a song in its own right but you hear the first few chords and you think of Bond, there's no escaping it,

Really, I hear it and I get Robbie fuçking Williams! I've had Millennium in my head since Monday.:mad:

expectationlost · 14-06-2012 8:21pm

if you can't pick up on the substance of that scene its not their fault its howed him being cold more then cool

Penn · 15-06-2012 12:22pm

iguana wrote: »

Really, I hear it and I get Robbie fuçking Williams! I've had Millennium in my head since Monday.:mad:

I hear it and I get Diamonds are Forever, which is admittedly closer, but still wrong.

iguana · 15-06-2012 2:27pm

Penn wrote: »

I hear it and I get Diamonds are Forever, which is admittedly closer, but still wrong.

Millennium samples You Only Live Twice very, very heavily. It has the same opening, which is also the chorus of Millennium.

Penn · 16-06-2012 10:52pm

iguana wrote: »

Penn wrote: »

I hear it and I get Diamonds are Forever, which is admittedly closer, but still wrong.

Millennium samples You Only Live Twice very, very heavily. It has the same opening, which is also the chorus of Millennium.

Sorry, I meant closer in terms of Bond theme and era. As soon as the music hit in Mad Men, I instantly thought Diamonds Are Forever, and now I still do each time I rewatch the scene even though I know it's not it

Jimmy Iovine · 27-07-2012 2:43am

http://www.digitalspy.ie/ustv/s157/mad-men/news/a395636/mad-men-creator-matthew-weiner-confirms-peggy-olsens-future.html

Peggy

will be back next season.

Should make it interesting showing the contrasts between the two companies.

Tipsy McSwagger · 13-08-2012 9:43pm

Finished season 5, I hate Megan.

JP Liz V1 · 23-08-2012 11:37am

Starts on RTE 2 on Friday the 7th of September at 9.55pm

Seren_ · 23-08-2012 4:04pm

9.55pm? Thought good shows were strictly banned from being aired before midnight on RTE :pac:

Feathers · 24-08-2012 11:06pm

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Starts on RTE 2 on Friday the 7th of September at 9.55pm

Season 6, or a rerun of 5?

DeepBlue · 25-08-2012 12:31am

Feathers wrote: »

Season 6, or a rerun of 5?

Well AMC are unlikely to give RTÉ the first showing of Season 6.
Has Season 6 even started shooting yet? No doubt Matt Weiner will have to have his customary months long standoff with the AMC bosses while he argues for another few 00's to be added to his wages to the detriment of every other show on AMC.

Feathers · 26-08-2012 6:18pm

DeepBlue wrote: »

Well AMC are unlikely to give RTÉ the first showing of Season 6.
Has Season 6 even started shooting yet? No doubt Matt Weiner will have to have his customary months long standoff with the AMC bosses while he argues for another few 00's to be added to his wages to the detriment of every other show on AMC.

You never know

Just been so long since s5 finished, I wasn't sure if season 6 was starting yet.

Dave! · 28-08-2012 12:05am

Only recently finished watching all of Mad Men, and haven't gotten a chance to post about how awesome it is!

F*cking love it.

The Black Oil · 28-08-2012 11:16pm

Some great BTS pics.

More

tunguska · 13-10-2012 10:51am

No sky atlantic, had to wait for rte to show season 5 so apologies for being the johnny-come-lately. Have to say, 6 episodes in and this season is feckin' brilliant so far. Last night Roger dropped acid which produced one of the best tripped out sequences I've ever seen. The epsiode as a whole though was magnificent, man this show is head and shoulders above anything else. I know a lot of people rate homeland but madmen makes homeland look like a Radio Telefis na heireann production.

darkdubh · 17-10-2012 10:30pm

tunguska wrote: »

No sky atlantic, had to wait for rte to show season 5 so apologies for being the johnny-come-lately. Have to say, 6 episodes in and this season is feckin' brilliant so far. Last night Roger dropped acid which produced one of the best tripped out sequences I've ever seen. The epsiode as a whole though was magnificent, man this show is head and shoulders above anything else. I know a lot of people rate homeland but madmen makes homeland look like a Radio Telefis na heireann production.

Yep,great stuff.I guessed that it was inevitable that in this series one of the main characters would drop acid.I was surprised that it was Rodger I thought it might be Peggy with her boho journo friends.

Jimmy Iovine · 12-03-2013 12:29am

AMC released a promo poster for Season 6.

Only four weeks to go.

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Thargor · 12-03-2013 12:51am

Game of Thrones and Mad Men every week for a couple of months soon

Jimmy Iovine · 12-03-2013 1:15am

Thargor wrote: »

Game of Thrones and Mad Men every week for a couple of months soon

And just as I start my placement. Don't know where I'll find the time to watch the episodes every week. Could be catching up at the very end.

FouxDaFaFa · 12-03-2013 2:03pm

Interesting poster. Taking it very literally, Don is walking away from Madison Avenue and Pete. Could he leave the company?

Dave! · 12-03-2013 2:10pm

Is that Pete? Looks like Don to me, i.e. he's trying to go in two different directions. Same narrative applies though; he may be leaving the company.

Thargor · 12-03-2013 2:21pm

Dave! wrote: »

Is that Pete? Looks like Don to me, i.e. he's trying to go in two different directions. Same narrative applies though; he may be leaving the company.

This, no way is that Pete, Id be 90% sure its another Don.

Article about the creator here, they tracked down a 75 year old ad-man to do it properly with acrylic paint.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2013/mar/11/mad-men-new-series-new-hire

jcsoulinger · 12-03-2013 2:45pm

Its defiantly don. maybe hes gonna go skitzo

Barna77 · 12-03-2013 2:46pm

Yep, I'd say two Dons

Jimmy Iovine · 12-03-2013 3:15pm

I think it's definitely two Dons.

The one in the black suit looks to be holding a woman's hand, presumably Megan. The one in the grey suit has the briefcase.

The first thing that popped into my mind was a separation of the business-life and personal-life of Don. Not sure what they would do with that though.

Then there's the plane and the cops. So much happening in the poster. I know full well that I won't be able to guess what the hell they're going to do. I can't wait to see it unfold though.

Dave! · 12-03-2013 3:34pm

Maybe a reference to the 'two' Don Drapers, i.e. Dick Whitman, and the legal fallout from that?

Penn · 12-03-2013 3:49pm

Just noticed the Don walking towards the pic (the wrong way in relation to the One Way sign) is holding a woman's hand, the one walking away (towards the skyscrapers) is carrying a briefcase.

Something to do with his career vs personal life? His personal life with Megan is going the wrong way (as we saw in the season finale when he looked to be going back to his womanising ways) and he becomes more involved in his career (which he hadn't been as involved in last season as he normally would be) and starts becoming more successful (now that they got Jaguar, bigger office, probably get Ken's father-in-law's business)

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