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Mad Men Season 5 [** Spoilers **]
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Fishooks12 wrote: »Probably my favorite episode of Mad Men. After an initial slow start this has also proved to be up their with S1 and 2 in terms of quality
I agree, it was brillant. Jon Hamm's acting was probable the best I've seen from him in the entire series.
The fact that the episode focused more on Don's involvement with his work again and less with the relationship he has with his wife was a major plus for me. The scene with Peggy towards the end of the episode was intense and demonstrated I think how Don is unable to control his surroundings like he could in the past. Don realises this as well I think more so now than ever with the defiance of his wife to do as he pleases with regards to her acting career and Peggy the girl Don had built to be one of the best creative personel not willing to stay with Don, even after his best efforts.
The proposition for Joan was a great focal point, it helped to paint where peoples morals are positioned - Roger's ambivalence to the idea suprised me a little while Pete's cold and calculated assertiveness showed why he is such an interesting character to watch. I especially liked how they showed his caring for his child by reading a bedtime story while in work acting as the pimp to a seedy deal. Great character.
Just comparing Joan and Peggy in this episode I think illustrated the woman ideals from the past in Joan, who could be bought for the right price to please a mans desires while Peggy as the more progressive woman didn't have a price, she did what she felt was best for her, based on her terms.
It really was a great episode bring on the last two
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KerranJast wrote: »It was a true horror movie moment when I realised Don was too late. Poor Joan.
Pete I can understand. He's a slimy toad.
Lane Pryce I thought you had class. :mad:
Lane already stole money from the company, if he'd had to extend the credit line again he'd have been rumbled big time. Also is Lane still fooling around with the black girl he had on the side last year?
Lane is still number one suspect to fall/throw himself down the lift, there's no way that the partners are not going to find out about his shenanigans by series end. And if he does go, Joan could easily take over his job.0 -
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Disappointing that the characters in a show I love are now happily increasing their profits by the whoring of one of their number, probably a realistic scenario, nevertheless disappointing. Was never hugely fond of Peggy but she did the right thing by leaving, that scene where Don literally threw money in her face was shocking, showed real contempt for her which defused the possible emotion from their final scene immensely for me. I think her smile at the end was great, she knows that she's moving into the future whereas the rest of them are stuck in the 40 or 50's attitudes wise. 0
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Not a huge leap in terms of fictional characters in a series that has moved from high class drama to high class soap opera.
It's just not particularly believable that this could happen in the real world, even in the 60's is all I'm saying.
I think this kind of thing has been seen happening since the series started, it's just that this was maybe the first time it was so open? Like, Sal turned the Lucky Strike guy down and lost his job, and the agency nearly lost the account over it.
What I found so awful about it was how we've seen that the women are only seen to have one thing to offer - their bodies. But Joan has so much more to offer than that but in the end, it still all came back down to her selling herself to a man in order to get ahead, with the full "support" of her co-workers 0 -
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Pete should die. :mad:
I couldn't believe how they sold Joan so easily, even Roger! You'd expect some objection from him... Only Don, who has treated women like a piece of furniture, really cared for her. And then they celebrate knowing what she had to do.
Brilliant how they synched the pitch and Joan's "night out", and how Don mentioned "behaviour".
But then that's how Megan gets her way too. She goes to him, they have sex and then drops the bomb. Was it only me thinking she was a bit uneasy when she was asked to turn around at the audition? Yeah, she should be nervous, but at the end it was her as an object... as Joan. Maybe I see things that aren't there :pac:
Peggy and Don's final scene was tv gold.
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