Have you ever experienced hibernophobia?

Fratton Fred · 04-03-2013 02:31PM

Ive heard the theory of protestants countries fairing better than catholic ones discussed in Irish media. Maybe it's because protestants make their own clothes and bake their own bread, or whatever the stereotype is.

Solair · 04-03-2013 02:38PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Ive heard the theory of protestants countries fairing better than catholic ones discussed in Irish media. Maybe it's because protestants make their own clothes and bake their own bread, or whatever the stereotype is.

Hmmm.. Yeah, those catholic French types know nothing about either clothes/fashion or bread...

The main reason those countries fared well / poorly was almost 100% down to access to mineral resources / energy i.e. iron/coal - became steel industries, chemical industries (all originally spun out of textile industry seeking dyes), manufacturing industries etc etc and you build up a whole industrial society on top of that.

Ireland pretty much had grass, Spain had some of that (but only around the Basque country) and you can see that wealth distribution remains the same - the Basques are loaded compared to the rest of Spain. Italy - same story ... Portugal - Same story ... Greece - didn't even have a lot of farmable land, never mind mineral wealth.

Fratton Fred · 04-03-2013 02:40PM

Solair wrote: »

Hmmm.. Yeah, those catholic French types know nothing about either clothes/fashion or bread...

The main reason those countries fared well / poorly was almost 100% down to access to mineral resources / energy i.e. iron/coal - became steel industries, chemical industries, manufacturing industries etc etc and you build up a whole industrial society on top of that.

Ireland pretty much had grass.

Absolutely, the whole theory is just idle speculation.

This whole protestant work ethic thing certainly failed on me!

Solair · 04-03-2013 02:59PM

pickarooney wrote: »

What's the word for a fear of winter?

Maybe Chionophobia - intense fear of snow?

Hibernophobia's accepted to mean fear of all things Irish.

The only known cure is to lock the suffer into a room with Michael D. reading poetry in Irish set to uilleann pipes until they eventually have a breakdown and after that you can bring in a 'craic team' of psychologists

fryup · 04-03-2013 06:24PM

Solair wrote: »

It's also infuriating to see things like media outlets indulging in that kind of thing too. I've seen a few articles trying to link the economic crisis to
It's just some kind of bizarre cultural anti-catholic bias that seems to exist in parts of the UK and I'm not even catholic so shouldn't be offended by it. I'm just neutrally observing it as an atheist

but are you a catholic atheist

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Ive heard the theory of protestants countries fairing better than catholic ones discussed in Irish media. Maybe it's because protestants make their own clothes and bake their own bread, or whatever the stereotype is.

because protestants are honest and catholics are shady (;))

Solair · 04-03-2013 06:27PM

fryup wrote: »

but are you a catholic atheist

No, I'm not

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 04-03-2013 07:15PM

fryup wrote: »

but are you a catholic atheist

Is that actually possible...?

summerskin · 04-03-2013 07:17PM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Is that actually possible...?

My wife's one. Totally atheist but still goes up for the Jesus biscuits at weddings etc.

Catholic for life, even if you don't believe.

ScumLord · 04-03-2013 07:29PM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Is that actually possible...?

I would say it is. We're brought up with Catholic values so that has to influence us in some way. Sort of in the same way you have Irish Americans, they were Irish but are now Americans but the Irish bit still influences their character.

SparkySpitfire · 05-03-2013 07:37AM

summerskin wrote: »

My wife's one. Totally atheist but still goes up for the Jesus biscuits at weddings etc.

Catholic for life, even if you don't believe.

Plus they don't let you officially leave the church now anyways :P

cournioni · 05-03-2013 07:41AM

Yes. In Northern Ireland.

Seaneh · 05-03-2013 08:12AM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Is that actually possible...?

I know a heap of people who claim they are "atheist jews", makes as much sense as atheist catholic.

4zn76tysfajdxp · 05-03-2013 10:23AM

Bertie Woot wrote: »

Queen Elizabeth II and her entire extended royal family are all gingers. Most have their hair dyed regularly, with Prince Harry being the only member of the Windsor household to not care.

Yes... that's why he's the only ginger one in the family...

FTA69 · 05-03-2013 10:33AM

Solair wrote: »

The Northern English (especially with stronger accents) get an awful time in London,

A good friend of mine from Yorkshire regularly got openly mocked about her accent and asked to say certain phrases! One wagon in the office even corrected how she pronounced her own name !

They don't do that to Irish, Scottish, Americans, Aussis etc

The main reason I think is because we're not included in the class system as they can't place us.

I see the point you're trying to make but I have to disagree nonetheless. What you're describing is a type of regionalism you get in every country, i.e. Dubs giving out about culchies and other counties in Munster giving out about Cork. This is markedly different from anti-Irish racism which is a well-documented form of xenophobia found in the Anglophone countries the Irish emigrated to.

With British colonisation also came a propaganda campaign within Britain itself that the Irish were thick savages, prone to alcoholism and violence, that needed to be civilised etc; a narrative that goes back centuries. This is why you saw all those cartoons in popular British magazines up until the early 20th century featuring the Irish as an ape-like people bent on mindless destruction. While those days are thankfully gone by and large, the notion of the Irish as a thick and unsophisticated people endures in the minds of some unfortunately, and this is often what leads some Brits to think it's fine to do the "potato to be sure" act by way of humour.

The Irish community still remains a target of the British far-right as has been proven by recent attacks on events in Liverpool and it was only as recent as the 1960s that Irish and black people were compared with dogs.

To be honest that's a far cry from someone being mocked because they're from Lancashire. There's no comparison between the two.

philstar · 05-03-2013 11:00AM

FTA69 wrote: »

With British colonisation also came a propaganda campaign within Britain itself that the Irish were thick savages, prone to alcoholism and violence, that needed to be civilised etc; a narrative that goes back centuries. This is why you saw all those cartoons in popular British magazines up until the early 20th century featuring the Irish as an ape-like people.

even though spike milligan professed to be a proud irishman (although he never lived here) his comedy could be deemed as contributing to the whole thicko paddy image..yet he's loved by many over here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmJSrVNKnr0

Fratton Fred · 05-03-2013 11:17AM

James Lemon Mercury wrote: »

Yes... that's why he's the only ginger one in the family...

Princess Di's brother is ginger as well (and when he was 30 looked just like Harry does today)

kunst nugget · 05-03-2013 11:20AM

philstar wrote: »

even though spike milligan professed to be a proud irishman (although he never lived here) his comedy could be deemed as contributing to the whole thicko paddy image..yet he's loved by many over here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmJSrVNKnr0

We'd better ban Father Ted so because that's obviously as bad Spike Milligan. I feel so oppressed just thinking about it.

Fratton Fred · 05-03-2013 11:20AM

FTA69 wrote: »

Solair wrote: »

I see the point you're trying to make but I have to disagree nonetheless. What you're describing is a type of regionalism you get in every country, i.e. Dubs giving out about culchies and other counties in Munster giving out about Cork. This is markedly different from anti-Irish racism which is a well-documented form of xenophobia found in the Anglophone countries the Irish emigrated to.

With British colonisation also came a propaganda campaign within Britain itself that the Irish were thick savages, prone to alcoholism and violence, that needed to be civilised etc; a narrative that goes back centuries. This is why you saw all those cartoons in popular British magazines up until the early 20th century featuring the Irish as an ape-like people bent on mindless destruction. While those days are thankfully gone by and large, the notion of the Irish as a thick and unsophisticated people endures in the minds of some unfortunately, and this is often what leads some Brits to think it's fine to do the "potato to be sure" act by way of humour.

The Irish community still remains a target of the British far-right as has been proven by recent attacks on events in Liverpool and it was only as recent as the 1960s that Irish and black people were compared with dogs.

To be honest that's a far cry from someone being mocked because they're from Lancashire. There's no comparison between the two.

What attacks in Liverpool?

FTA69 · 05-03-2013 11:22AM

philstar wrote: »

even though spike milligan professed to be a proud irishman (although he never lived here) his comedy could be deemed as contributing to the whole thicko paddy image..yet he's loved by many over here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmJSrVNKnr0

It's different when Irish people do it though. For instance Chris Rock and Dave Chapelle do a number of sketches that wouldn't be acceptable for a white comedian to do.

FTA69 · 05-03-2013 11:23AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

FTA69 wrote: »

What attacks in Liverpool?

http://www.ir-news.net/2013/02/anti-irish-racism-reported-on-the-increase/

FTA69 · 05-03-2013 11:26AM

http://www.irishpost.co.uk/uncategorized/get-the-latest-irish-post-out-now

I realise the first link may not be the most impartial but there's a number of sources about far-right anti-Irish activity in Liverpool. The Irish Post alludes to it above.

who the fug · 05-03-2013 11:29AM

FTA69 wrote: »

http://www.ir-news.net/2013/02/anti-irish-racism-reported-on-the-increase/

Sorry that really is one minority reacting to another minority , and isn't proof of a rise in Anti Irish sentiment in the UK.

FTA69 · 05-03-2013 11:32AM

who the fug wrote: »

FTA69 wrote: »

Sorry that really is one minority reacting to another minority , and isn't proof of a rise in Anti Irish sentiment in the UK.

I never said there was a dramatic "rise" in anti-Irish sentiment, rather that anti-Irish racism simply exists, which it does. The fact you have far-right British groups attending Irish events and abusing people would prove this to be correct.

philstar · 05-03-2013 11:34AM

FTA69 wrote: »

It's different when Irish people do it though.

is it?? that sketch was shown on British TV back in the 70s during the height of paddywackery, it only added to the stereotype

Fratton Fred · 05-03-2013 11:34AM

FTA69 wrote: »

http://www.irishpost.co.uk/uncategorized/get-the-latest-irish-post-out-now

I realise the first link may not be the most impartial but there's a number of sources about far-right anti-Irish activity in Liverpool. The Irish Post alludes to it above.

Why do Irish republicans want to march in England? That's on a par with the love Ulster parades to be honest.

Sounds to me that you want Hibernophobia to exist to justify your own bigotry.

If England is that bad, the next ferry is at 2pm.

who the fug · 05-03-2013 11:37AM

FTA69 wrote: »

who the fug wrote: »

I never said there was a dramatic "rise" in anti-Irish sentiment, rather that anti-Irish racism simply exists, which it does. The fact you have far-right British groups attending Irish events and abusing people would prove this to be correct.

We are never going to have a perfect society and these rent a mob morons will always be with us.

When they finish that protest they are booked for a 7:30 about pediatricians.

Fratton Fred · 05-03-2013 11:41AM

FTA69 wrote: »

who the fug wrote: »

I never said there was a dramatic "rise" in anti-Irish sentiment, rather that anti-Irish racism simply exists, which it does. The fact you have far-right British groups attending Irish events and abusing people would prove this to be correct.

These aren't just Irish events, they are political events.

They aren't attacking a st Patrick's day march, it is one commemorating a political movement.

FTA69 · 05-03-2013 11:42AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Why do Irish republicans want to march in England? That's on a par with the love Ulster parades to be honest.

Sounds to me that you want Hibernophobia to exist to justify your own bigotry.

If England is that bad, the next ferry is at 2pm.

That's it mate. Anti-Irish sentiment in English was invented by myself to justify my own bigotry. It's entirely a figment of my own imagination. Never existed at all.

And obviously I'm so bigoted I decided to move to England and live here.

There's definitely someone codding themselves mate. And sure it isn't me.

FTA69 · 05-03-2013 11:43AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

FTA69 wrote: »

These aren't just Irish events, they are political events.

They aren't attacking a st Patrick's day march, it is one commemorating a political movement.

So the British far-right only have a problem with Irish politics is it but don't care about the rest? Don't cod yourself.

Besides, anti-Irish sentiment isn't limited to the far-right alone as I've alluded to earlier in the thread.

Fratton Fred · 05-03-2013 11:46AM

FTA69 wrote: »

That's it mate. Anti-Irish sentiment in English was invented by myself to justify my own bigotry. It's entirely a figment of my own imagination. Never existed at all.

And obviously I'm so bigoted I decided to move to England and live here.

There's definitely someone codding themselves mate. And sure it isn't me.

Sure it exists, but you make it sound like the Irish community in England is under constant attack and in fear of their lives.

Have you ever experienced hibernophobia?

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