Have you ever experienced hibernophobia?

Bertie Woot

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

This doesn't make sense: if you even bring up the point you are tarring everyone. What does its removal have to do with anything?

Tell me how I am "tarring everyone" by bringing up the point.

The removal of the comment demonstrated that the moderators viewed the comment as racist (which it was reported as), and thus unacceptable.

You see, it does't have to be "all of the attitudes, it just ha to be be a bir more represntative.

I never said they "rosy" - I said I had no experience of hibernophobia. No more or less hibernophobicthan my experiences of living in France, Denmark or Germany.

These points, plus the comment about the Indians () makes me think that you are more xenophbic than they are hibernophobic. You seem to want to hate.

I hate no-one. Not hibernophobic English people, nor racist Indians with a superiority complex.

I sense you're itching for an argument, but are struggling to construct one.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Bertie Woot wrote: »

Tell me how I am "tarring everyone" by bringing up the point.

The removal of the comment demonstrated that the moderators viewed the comment as racist (which it was reported as), and thus unacceptable.

Bertie Woot wrote: »

... when an English poster refers to two Irish posters as "thick Paddies with walnut sized brains" you begin to detect a hint of malice. When other posters periodically and opportunistically weigh in with other similar remarks, you begin to question if this is a bit of craic or genuine Irish hatred you are experiencing.

Sounds like you're using it as a validation of hibernophia to me and not reating it as an isolated one-off incident.

I hate no-one. Not hibernophobic English people, nor racist Indians with a superiority complex.

I sense you're itching for an argument, but are struggling to construct one.

No, of course not. Not in the slightest xenophobic.

No real argument here - justputting forward a point as is my right. The point stands for itself, really, considering the highlit section above.

fryup

Bertie Woot wrote: »

Classic example of hibernophobia (which means hatred towards as well as fear of the Irish). God knows where it comes from, but that level of hatred defies all comprehension.

well in fairness the IRA bombing campaigns of 1970s & 80s didn't help matters

Bertie Woot

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Sounds like you're using it as a validation of hibernophia to me and not reating it as an isolated one-off incident.

Not as validation of hibernophobia, but what looks like and feels like it. The other instances that I and other posters in this thread have conveyed do not make it look like a "one off incident".

No, of course not. Not in the slightest xenophobic.

No real argument here - justputting forward a point as is my right. The point stands for itself, really, considering the highlit section above.

Considering that you completely overlooked the comment I was responding to, which highlights a very real example of "Indian racism" towards an Irish poster on this board, and instead focused in on the isolated comment, I think your risible attempt to label me as "xenophobic" should be treated with the contempt it deserves.

Here is the poster's comment again. Read it carefully, then tell me if you think he has experienced racism from Indians in England or not:

Humans eh! wrote: »

I lived in England in the eighties in the midst of the IRA 'activities'.
I went out with an indian girl and we were known as 'The Paddy & The Paki' by our English friends.It was all good natured and never nasty.

The only racism I encountered was from blacks and asians for going out with an asian girl.
It was really bad, our house was attacked with stoneswe got physical and verbal abuse and our dog was badly attacked. The police were involved countless times, my girlfriend used to get spat upon on the street. Not just because I was white, apparrently it was worse being Irish.
Among asians, to describe something as being Irish denoted it as being coarse and implied it was dirty.

I will point out that in all my years living there, not once did I experience racism from a white English person and with the IRA waging their campaign of violence at the time there were many occasions that I was ashamed to be Irish.

Now, tell me, has this poster experienced "racism" from Indians (and Black people) or not?

looksee

Where do sad, irrational, generalised arguments finish and trolling begin? Bertie Woot has already established the basis of his argument here:

Some Brits are better at concealing their hibernophobia than others too, and they're the ones I can appreciate.

There is no way anyone is going to make any progress arguing against that mindset.

It's not so much open hostility as it is snide remarks and insinuations. If you've ever been one of a tiny minority of Irish on a British forum you might have experienced the "Paddy" jibe, and thought noting of it, as it may have come across as a bit of benign banter. But when an English poster refers to two Irish posters as "thick Paddies with walnut sized brains" you begin to detect a hint of malice. When other posters periodically and opportunistically weigh in with other similar remarks, you begin to question if this is a bit of craic or genuine Irish hatred you are experiencing.

Now this I can identify with, as a Brit on an Irish board. But I do not assume that it reflects the views of all Irish, just those of the keyboard warriors with no life experience beyond their skanky room and the pub. I agree its a bit irritating though.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Bertie Woot wrote: »

Not as validation of hibernophobia, but what looks like and feels like it. The other instances that I and other posters in this thread have conveyed do not make it look like a "one off incident".

What you describe here is using it asa validation of.

Considering that you completely overlooked the comment I was responding to, which highlights a very real example of "Indian racism" towards an Irish poster on this board, and instead focused in on the isolated comment, I think your risible attempt to label me as "xenophobic" should be treated with the contempt it deserves.

Here is the poster's comment again. Read it carefully, then tell me if you think he has experienced racism from Indians in England or not:



Now, tell me, has this poster experienced "racism" from Indians (and Black people) or not?

He has, you haven't. He'd have a point, you don't.

Just as an aisde, how do you (specifically you, Bertie) know that the people who attacked him were from India and not a different Asian country? Say Pakistan, for example?

Bertie Woot

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

What you describe here is using it asa validation of.



He has, you haven't. He'd have a point you don't.

Just as an aisde, how do you know the people who attacked him were from India and not a different Asian country? Indians would not describe her as a "Paki".

That's a question you need to address to the poster who has claimed that he has experienced "racism" at the hand of "Indians" in England.

I'll leave you with your thoughts for a while, and perhaps instead of nit-picking with petty nonsense, you'll come back to this thread with an intent on serious discussion, as opposed to conveying twaddle.

GRMA

fryup wrote: »

well in fairness the IRA bombing campaigns of 1970s & 80s didn't help matters

That was in no way responsible for it, if anything racism was not as bad during those years as it was in the decades and centuries before

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Bertie Woot wrote: »

That's a question you need to address to the poster who has claimed that he has experienced "racism" at the hand of "Indians" in England.

I'll leave you with your thoughts for a while, and perhaps instead of nit-picking with petty nonsense, you'll come back to this thread with an intent on serious discussion, as opposed to conveying twaddle.

So... you confidently made a consise judgement about a nation of over a billion people, based on the acts of a few when you didn't even know what the natiooality of the few was in the first place?? And then you tell us all you're not xenophobic?!

You really thought we'd actually follow suit like obediant sheep and not question your motives when you started this thread, didn't you? Magnicent backing down, there, that man. Magnificent!

ISDW

When at school in England, my then 10 year old son had a St Patrick's day badge on his jumper, this was only 7 years ago. It was deliberately ripped off by another boy in his class.

Rasheed

Once in Turkey on holidays. A Turkish lad called me an 'English wanker' when he bumped in to me outside a pub.

Fair play to him though, when I politely told him to piss off, he changed his insult, straight away, to 'Irish wanker'.

Bertie Woot

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

So... you confidently made a consise judgement about a nation of over a billion people, based on the acts of a few when you didn't even know what the natiooality of the few was in the first place?? And then you tell us all you're not xenophobic?!

You really thought we'd actually follow suit like obediant sheep and not question your motives when you started this thread, didn't you? Magnicent backing down, there, that man. Magnificent!

Like I said, when you're ready, or more accurately, cognitively capable and willing to engage in discussion on this topic, instead of purveying pure unadulterated drivel, then we'll talk.

Oh, and please learn to spell. I've bolded your cringe-worthy spelling errors to assist you with this, and to help prevent you from looking like an inarticulate undereducated person who talks complete crap in future.

Chinasea

Bertie Woot wrote: »

This thread is not intended to stoke up anti-English feeling /QUOTE]

Ah, but I think it is.

smacks very much of the the usual opening/leading statement "I am not racist but".........

ScumLord

The majority of English people I've meet of any background like Irish people but there is still a tiny minority there that hold onto outdated opinions of the Irish.

I once had an English guy ask if i was Irish, I said yeah. He replied "I could tell by the slur in your voice".

Bertie Woot

Chinasea wrote: »

Bertie Woot wrote: »

This thread is not intended to stoke up anti-English feeling /QUOTE]

Ah, but I think it is.

smacks very much of the the usual opening/leading statement "I am not racist but".........

You are entitled to your opinion.

I am entitled to disagree.

Thank you for your worthy contribution to this thread.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Bertie Woot wrote: »

Like I said, when you're ready, or more accurately, cognitively capable and willing to engage in discussion on this topic, instead of purveying pure unadulterated drivel, then we'll talk.

Oh, and please learn to spell. I've bolded your cringe-worthy spelling errors to assist you with this, and to help prevent you from looking like an inarticulate undereducated person who talks complete crap in future.

I'll assume you don;t have your sigs activated, so here's what mine says:
The above has not been proofread. So if you are completely unable to repsond to the points raised, please think of a different method of sidesteping them than pointing out a spelling mistake or typo.

So here's the post you were replying to (still not proof read, as I assume you're mature enough to not try and use the same false defence twice):

Originally Posted by Bertie Woot
That's a question you need to address to the poster who has claimed that he has experienced "racism" at the hand of "Indians" in England.

I'll leave you with your thoughts for a while, and perhaps instead of nit-picking with petty nonsense, you'll come back to this thread with an intent on serious discussion, as opposed to conveying twaddle.

So... you confidently made a consise judgement about a nation of over a billion people, based on the acts of a few when you didn't even know what the natiooality of the few was in the first place?? And then you tell us all you're not xenophobic?!

You really thought we'd actually follow suit like obediant sheep and not question your motives when you started this thread, didn't you? Magnicent backing down, there, that man. Magnificent!

Miss Lockhart

Chinasea wrote: »

Bertie Woot wrote: »

This thread is not intended to stoke up anti-English feeling

Ah, but I think it is.

smacks very much of the the usual opening/leading statement "I am not racist but".........

I'm amused that you have decided that there is no case to be made for the existence of hibernophobia despite many and varied experiences of others, when you are the very one who is always so eager to use any anecdote with even a remote sniff of possible racism by an Irish person to declare with certainty that racism is rampant in Ireland.


I haven't seen anyone saying a whole nation is anti Irish and I think anyone who would try to generalise a whole nation is stupid, but equally I don't get it the posters who seem so eager to deny or excuse anti Irish behaviour.

Bertie Woot

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

I'll assume you don;t have your sigs activated, so here's what mine says:
The above has not been proofread. So if you are completely unable to repsond to the points raised, please think of a different method of sidesteping them than pointing out a spelling mistake or typo.

So here's the post you were replying to (still not proof read, as I assume you're mature enough to not try and use the same false defence twice):

You obviously take great pleasure in digging your own hole.

Take comfort, at least we can't see your embarrassment.

PhlegmyMoses

A cabbie in London recently told me he knew I was Irish because I sounded like the 6th member of Boyzone.

People may say he was a hibernophobe but I was just astounded that he had mistaken me for Dickie Rock's son.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Bertie Woot wrote: »

You obviously take great pleasure in digging your own hole.

Take comfort, at least we can't see your embarrassment.

You know, I've been on boards a while now and it's amazing. The deeper the hole I seem to dig for myself, the more "immature" my arguments get and the more "twaddle" they contain, the less people seem to be able to come up with valid rebuttals. Strange.

It's like Gary Player said: the more I practice, the lucker I seem to get.

SparkySpitfire

Rasheed wrote: »

Once in Turkey on holidays. A Turkish lad called me an 'English wanker' when he bumped in to me outside a pub.

Fair play to him though, when I politely told him to piss off, he changed his insult, straight away, to 'Irish wanker'.

Well someone didn't get the shift that night...

Rasheed

SparkySpitfire wrote: »

Well someone didn't get the shift that night...

Ha! Maybe that was his way of wooing me....

Micky Dolenz

Bertie Woot wrote: »

Like I said, when you're ready, or more accurately, cognitively capable and willing to engage in discussion on this topic, instead of purveying pure unadulterated drivel, then we'll talk.

Oh, and please learn to spell. I've bolded your cringe-worthy spelling errors to assist you with this, and to help prevent you from looking like an inarticulate undereducated person who talks complete crap in future.

baned.

The Pheasant

Haha I remember once at was at a bar in Portugal (again) and there were a few English lads, anyway we got chatting and get this: they all apologised to my friends and I on behalf of England for the 700 years of occupation, the famine and the North, and then they bought us all pints! Absolute gentlemen and ambassadors for their nation

Legs.Eleven

Bertie Woot wrote: »

Oh, and please learn to spell. I've bolded your cringe-worthy spelling errors to assist you with this, and to help prevent you from looking like an inarticulate undereducated person who talks complete crap in future.

That's some amount of barrel scraping there with the auld type correction. That's fairly pathetic.



I've had 3 experiences of anti-Irishness from the English while living there that stand out in my mind but they didn't get on my tits as much as the ignorance about basic facts such as whether or not the Republic was part of the UK, where Dublin was located ("In belfast?") and if we had our own currency etc.

However, I've noticed that Europeans on the whole really have no idea that the Republic of Ireland is a separate sovereign state. I've met two people in Spain who've known and one of them is my boyfriend (probably part of the reason why I liked him initially). I teach English and the very first thing I do is draw a map of Ireland and the UK and give them a quick rundown of Irish history since 1916 in a jokey, light-hearted way because I was fed up with being called "English" and "British" and grinding my teeth with a fake smile plastered across my face and included in generalisations about them with, "You British". Even though they now know, they still do it.

I gave private classes to two boys and their teacher had taught them this...and I've also taught teachers who've thought this. It's everyone regardless of their position in a company or education level. It's pretty infuriating.

I've come to the conclusion that people really don't give a ****e. This is not an example of Hibernophobia but it was something that used to specifically get on my ditties about the English 'till I discovered it wasn't just them.

April O Neill

philologos wrote: »

I honestly hope the term "hibernophobia" never comes into common usage in the English language.

Crooked Jack

gallag wrote: »

I really cant understand UK and irish people being racist to each other, same people really, obviously us British are smarter, better looking, make better lovers and dont have as many gingers but we are basically the same!

It's hilarious how insecure you are about your identity

Chinasea

Miss Lockhart wrote: »

I'm amused that you have decided that there is no case to be made for the existence of hibernophobia despite many and varied experiences of others, when you are the very one who is always so eager to use any anecdote with even a remote sniff of possible racism by an Irish person to declare with certainty that racism is rampant in Ireland.

Nothing to be amused at. I don't see anything funny. Especially when the OP has, as I believe tried to incite a Brit bashing thread. And then the usual suspects conclude that anyone who might challenge this is 'anti Irish' - now, perhaps that is a tad pathetic as opposed to amusing if we were to go down that silly street.

OP opened up the thread with a fairly general hypothetical statement, with the disclaimer that it was not an anti English thread but....then followed up as soon as the thread had swung the way he wanted with his own personal (once off) negative experience soliciting others to follow suit.

My observation. My right. My belief.

What good could be achieved by that. Isn't it time that we moved on?

stoneill

AngeGal wrote: »

Couple of times from a German guy, he thought he was very funny and made a few remarks before including "Don't talk to him. He's from Dublin. (I'm not but anyway). They see off bombs in pubs in Dublin." I just left it because it was at a work event.

Anyway off he starts again the next night about thanks for the bailout, etc in front of 5/6 people. My response "How many times has Germany gone bankrupt? Ireland has made mistakes but at least we didn't go bankrupt because we liked killing people."

Probably OTT response but I'd had enough.

A German?
Man - there was so much ammo to throw back and you pick a reference to their economic status?

philologos

April O Neill wrote: »

I think this never ending list of phobias just produces an idea of victimisation that Irish people could do without perpetuating further.