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Stheno · 18-02-2013 12:56AM

KamiKazeKitten wrote: »

Whoa, whoa, whoa. How is that helpful?
This is a feedback thread, she's entitled to post her opinion. And you're entitled to post replies back.
The amount of posts she has has nothing to do with it. For all I know, if the forum was changed maybe clairefontaine wuld post more?
Not that it looks like that's likely now.

Possibly, however she didn't really post a true opinion, she posited that there is group think here, and when asked to give an example chose not to.

Hard to ascribe groupthink to the sheer variety of ages/statuses of people who post here regularly as I pointed out myself.

Poster didn't bother refuting that

KamiKazeKitten · 18-02-2013 07:41PM

Stheno wrote: »

Possibly, however she didn't really post a true opinion, she posited that there is group think here, and when asked to give an example chose not to.

Hard to ascribe groupthink to the sheer variety of ages/statuses of people who post here regularly as I pointed out myself.

Poster didn't bother refuting that

Fair enough, but that wasn't my point. I don't see replying with "why are you here then?" as helpful in a feedback thread. It was the language used I had the problem with.

In one sense I can agree with what she said - imo on certain issues like abortion there's definitely a dominant mindset, and sometimes if someone posts a different opinion they get a pile of replies back disagreeing with them. Maybe a bit intimidating for some, but *shrug* that's the nature of a discussion forum I think. But I wouldn't go so far as to call it groupthink.

xLexie · 18-02-2013 08:01PM

KamiKazeKitten wrote: »

In one sense I can agree with what she said - imo on certain issues like abortion there's definitely a dominant mindset, and sometimes if someone posts a different opinion they get a pile of replies back disagreeing with them. Maybe a bit intimidating for some, but *shrug* that's the nature of a discussion forum I think. But I wouldn't go so far as to call it groupthink.

Absolutely agree with this.

pinkypinky · 27-02-2013 01:35PM

To come back to something another poster mentioned further up this thread: I am a regular reader but infrequent poster on this forum. It's partly because I click on a thread that looks interesting and find there's 107 pages....I don't want to waste people's time by posting similar comments to other posters but I'm never going to read back through that many pages. All the first page threads are epic megathreads. I don't always have time to read the headlines of several pages worth. Stickies won't fix this problem but would there be a way to keep these very long running threads (which regular posters post in daily) AND see the newer stuff more easily. Perhaps a sub forum for the long-term perennial topics?

27-02-2013 01:39PM

Would it help if you changed your post view settings to 40 per page? It's less intimidating to read 10 pages of more posts than a lot more pages of fewer posts

PlainP · 27-02-2013 02:14PM

bluewolf wrote: »

Would it help if you changed your post view settings to 40 per page? It's less intimidating to read 10 pages of more posts than a lot more pages of fewer posts

How exactly do you do this?

27-02-2013 02:15PM

Control panel, "edit options", scroll down until you see
Number of Posts to Show Per Page
Use this option to set the number of posts to show in a thread before splitting the display into multiple pages.
Number of Posts to Show Per Page:

it's far enough down so keep looking, there is a dropdown box beside it
Yours will probably currently say "use forum default"

PlainP · 27-02-2013 02:19PM

bluewolf wrote: »

Control panel, "edit options", scroll down until you see
Number of Posts to Show Per Page
Use this option to set the number of posts to show in a thread before splitting the display into multiple pages.
Number of Posts to Show Per Page:

it's far enough down so keep looking, there is a dropdown box beside it
Yours will probably currently say "use forum default"

Thanks, I was looking there but I didn't scroll down far enough....doh!!

LittleBook · 01-03-2013 11:06AM

bluewolf wrote: »

Control panel, "edit options", scroll down until you see
Number of Posts to Show Per Page
Use this option to set the number of posts to show in a thread before splitting the display into multiple pages.
Number of Posts to Show Per Page:

it's far enough down so keep looking, there is a dropdown box beside it
Yours will probably currently say "use forum default"

Holy cr@p, I just figured out how to do this "invisible" thing I've heard tell of!!

Now you see me ...... now you don't ....... woooooh, spooky!

RacoonQueen · 07-03-2013 10:29PM

Inconsistent modding strikes again. Why do decent posters keep getting banned from the chat thread while the wind up merchants get to stay?

Lucyfur · 07-03-2013 10:33PM

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Inconsistent modding strikes again. Why do decent posters keep getting banned from the chat thread while the wind up merchants get to stay?

Nothing inconsistent about it, RQ. A discussion took place between mods and admin before any decision was made.

Edit; Bans/infractions/warnings are not up for discussion on thread.

RacoonQueen · 07-03-2013 10:39PM

Lucyfur wrote: »

Nothing inconsistent about it, RQ. A discussion took place between mods and admin before any decision was made.

But it appears inconsistent to many posters. Some posters seem to purposely try to get peoples backs up then play the victim when people react and consistently get away with it and other end up getting banned over it.

Zaph · 07-03-2013 10:48PM

As has always been the case on Boards, warnings, infractions and bans are a matter between the poster and the mods, not third parties. However as I was involved in the discussion with the mods I can confirm that the thread ban was justified and has my full support.

RacoonQueen · 07-03-2013 10:52PM

Zaph wrote: »

As has always been the case on Boards, warnings, infractions and bans are a matter between the poster and the mods, not third parties. However as I was involved in the discussion with the mods I can confirm that the thread ban was justified and has my full support.

I'm not appealing a ban for anyone or discussing a particular ban - it's just an example really as it's just happened. I'm just wondering why some people get away with murder when it's clear they're wind up merchants. I've mentioned it dozens of times on here and this thread that modding comes across as very inconsistent at times. This has pushed a number of good posters away from this forum and stopped them posting losing us some very good posters.

The wind up merchants remain. Do the rest of us need to report the wind up merchants or what?

Zaph · 07-03-2013 10:58PM

RacoonQueen wrote: »

The wind up merchants remain. Do the rest of us need to report the wind up merchants or what?

All forum mods rely on posts being reported as they can't read every single thing that's posted, particularly on a busy forum like this. So if you feel that a post should be reported, then by all means do so.

RacoonQueen · 07-03-2013 11:02PM

I'm not really a post reporting person. I'll leave my views on post reporting people out of this. :pac:

Maybe time to change...

Ella · 07-03-2013 11:13PM

RacoonQueen wrote: »

I'm not really a post reporting person. I'll leave my views on post reporting people out of this. :pac:

Maybe time to change...

It's a chat thread so if you see people posting one sentence like "I'm hungry" and not trying to engage in chat I presume those kinds of posts can be reported? I'm not sure, maybe someone could shed some light on this?

xLexie · 07-03-2013 11:46PM

I'm not really sure what's meant by "wind up merchants" to be honest. Can someone clarify?

Stheno · 07-03-2013 11:57PM

Ella wrote: »

It's a chat thread so if you see people posting one sentence like "I'm hungry" and not trying to engage in chat I presume those kinds of posts can be reported? I'm not sure, maybe someone could shed some light on this?

I'm a post reporter (legacy of once being a mod I reckon

)

Anyway I've reported a few posts in the chat thread, usually ones which were very bitching or abusive.

I'd skim the likes of I'm hungry, etc

Without discussing the latest ban, I do feel there are 3-4 (may be more) inflammatory posters, who essentially are pidgeons, fly in post ****, ignore any sort of responses they don't agree with, and blithely continue on, and then get aggressive/passive aggressive when things don't go their way.

It's a long running topic, and can sometimes seem a bit cliquish if you are new, and lots of people post there so it's natural enough people will boil over occasionally, but there are persistent pidgeons in there, who seem to get away with low level continuous inflammatory behaviour which to me, is probably as bad as someone having a bad day and suffering the consequences, but doesn't seem to .

Honey-ec · 08-03-2013 11:48AM

Stheno wrote: »

I'm a post reporter (legacy of once being a mod I reckon )

Anyway I've reported a few posts in the chat thread, usually ones which were very bitching or abusive.

I'd skim the likes of I'm hungry, etc.

This, I think, is part of the issue. Most people will kind of roll their eyes at that kind of post, find it frustrating in the extreme, but not go to the trouble of reporting each and every one because, while that kind of posting isn't adding anything to the thread (and is possibly in danger of killing it), it's not downright abusive and so maybe doesn't seem "worth" reporting, particularly if you're not really the reporting type.

However, there are definitely more sensitive types who will report anything that they feel to be even vaguely insulting or bitchy (on any thread, not just specifically talking about LWL) and in those cases, I think it's very easy for it to appear to other regulars that certain posters are being protected by the mods because they're particularly sensitive.

IvyTheTerrible · 08-03-2013 11:52AM

Honey-ec wrote: »

This, I think, is part of the issue. Most people will kind of roll their eyes at that kind of post, find it frustrating in the extreme, but not go to the trouble of reporting each and every one because, while that kind of posting isn't adding anything to the thread (and is possibly in danger of killing it), it's not downright abusive and so maybe doesn't seem "worth" reporting, particularly if you're not really the reporting type.

However, there are definitely more sensitive types who will report anything that they feel to be even vaguely insulting or bitchy (on any thread, not just specifically talking about LWL) and in those cases, I think it's very easy for it to appear to other regulars that certain posters are being protected by the mods because they're particularly sensitive.

Course the thing to remember about people who report every single little thing is, the mods don't neccessarily take action on every report (what I mean is, they read the report, sure, but they won't ban/infract me just cos you think I'm insulting when I'm not). At least that's my understanding of it.

Honey-ec · 08-03-2013 12:02PM

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

Course the thing to remember about people who report every single little thing is, the mods don't neccessarily take action on every report (what I mean is, they read the report, sure, but they won't ban/infract me just cos you think I'm insulting when I'm not). At least that's my understanding of it.

Oh I know that. Just giving my 2c that the perception of protection is certainly there, whether it's true or false.

IvyTheTerrible · 08-03-2013 12:03PM

Honey-ec wrote: »

Oh I know that. Just giving my 2c that the perception of protection is certainly there, whether it's true or false.

Fair point!

08-03-2013 12:21PM

It's a pity that that perception is there, it really is. We have no interest in protecting anyone who is causing trouble. None. If you have issues with a post - report it. It may seem benign on its own, but if there is a recorded history of this low level trolling* that's being discussed here, then we can at least get a better picture of what's going on.

The fact of the matter is though, the same names come up over and over again - and it's certainly not the same people reporting posts all the time. There is a wide range of people who report posts or PM mods, from admins who might be just stopping by for a nose to posters who are new to the forum.

There is nothing wrong with reporting posts, it's difficult to appreciate how important they are if you haven't modded before, but they are vital to the smooth running of a forum and we are very grateful to those who do it.

*low level trolls are frustrating, we see them all over the site. They hover just under the radar and don't quite break the rules but adequately rile people. The thing about trolls is that they enjoy the reactions they get, if you think someone is trolling, the worst thing you can do is react to them - you're feeding them, and they will stick around. If you think someone is trolling, report them, and ignore them. They will either get bored, or they will trip themselves up.

Princess Peach · 08-03-2013 12:22PM

Seems to be a lot of assumptions going on here about who is or isn't reporting what posts when only the mods know that. Only they can say if there are people who report all and any posts they find offensive, and they won't say anyway!

SarahBeep! · 08-03-2013 12:22PM

Some posters are oversensitive, there's no denying it. They take it personally when someone challenges their opinion.
I saw the thing Stenchy was on about and frankly it was childish and she was right to be annoyed.

Ella · 08-03-2013 12:30PM

Lets say there are few people who bring out the worst in everyone and all those people get sick of those few after a while and stand up to them. Surely the few people winding up everyone should be banned and not the people sticking up for themselves?

08-03-2013 12:31PM

SarahBeep! we can't discuss individual cases here. This is a general feedback thread.

IvyTheTerrible · 08-03-2013 12:31PM

Ella wrote: »

Lets say there are few people who bring out the worst in everyone and all those people get sick of those few after a while and stand up to them. Surely the few people winding up everyone should be banned and not the people sticking up for themselves?

You can't ban people cos "the rest" don't like them though. Hardly fair. There is an ignore button.

Ella · 08-03-2013 12:33PM

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

You can't ban people cos "the rest" don't like them though. Hardly fair. There is an ignore button.

It's not about not liking someone. It's about a small few sniping at others when they dont agree with someone. It's constant. And that stupid roll-eyes smiley should be banned from boards. It causes nothing but trouble.

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