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daenerysstormborn3

I really don't understand what the problem is with the mushy threads. Not my cup of tea really but if people want to talk about their relationships or talk about their emotions then leave them at it. What's the problem? If you want to talk about other topics, create threads about those topics

Lucyfur

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Sometimes it can be a case of people being aware that other forums are there, but they still choose to post here.

I knew you'd ask for examples but I have none. Looked a few pages back before I posted and there were none I'd use. The number of discussion threads, about general topics seems to have dropped off lately, have no input as to why that might be.

See, if we leave your thread asking what you should get your partner for their birthday, then we have to leave my thread about what shoes I should wear with my dress, and then we'll have a whole heap of posters complaining that the first page of tLL is taken up with threads that could go elsewhere...

Larianne wrote: »

Yeah - would you shave your hair off like Jesse J for charity or do you regard your hair as part of your femininity and so it's a bit of a no-no?

I think Feedback threads are always going to be a bit, emotional(?). I see it all the time in the Feedback forum. I tend to write out a post and then don't bother to post it. I often wonder whether there is a point to them? So while you may not like Snoopy's post, she is giving her opinion on the forum (with or without any suggestions on how to change it). Sometimes it's difficult to come up with a solution to things, especially if someone is frustrated with a forum, for whatever reason.

I dunno. I think a lot of posters who used to contribute well to the forum, don't post in tLL any more. Why not, I'm not sure? Maybe because they feel that if they give a different opinion to others and argue it, the words 'bitchy' tends to be thrown around. I know I've seen that a bit. Hard to argue a point when people start saying that.

There is a slight clique that can be seen in the chat thread. I don't think it's as bad as it was though. But there are a number of posters, that if there is any sort of kerfuffle on the thread, I can be pretty certain of who is involved. I don't think mods have been strict enough with them (although this may have changed most recently - I haven't been following the thread that much).

I think people need to realise with the chat thread, (like what has just been stated above in a number of posts) that not everyone is going to find what everybody posts in the chat thread as interesting. The majority of posters remain civil to each other and those who don't, well I don't see why they should keep getting warnings and posts deleted and not infractions or bans. I think in that regard mods should be more objective in their decisions.

A forum is shaped by the people who post in it. If the majority of posters want the type of threads that are in here now, well that's fair enough. If it's to be changed, then I guess people need to start threads of their own. It might entice more posters back into the forum or encourage new posters to visit the forum.

Do it!! Personally, I think she's amazing. I don't know if I could do it...


tLL is a busy place. Not everyone is going to get on. Some people like me, others don't, and vice versa. If you don't like the off topics, please do go and start a thread that interests you, where you can discuss your topic of interest with like minded people. If we were all sitting in a pub together, we're not all going to be talking about the same thing, are we?

RacoonQueen

Lucyfur wrote: »

See, if we leave your thread asking what you should get your partner for their birthday, then we have to leave my thread about what shoes I should wear with my dress, and then we'll have a whole heap of posters complaining that the first page of tLL is taken up with threads that could go elsewhere...

I'm not saying they should be left here. I touched on something similar to this(re: those types of threads) near the start of this thread, I don't know if this is what you and Wibbs are talking about now but that wasn't really what I was referring to now. As I said, I don't have examples of what I'm thinking of and couldn't find them over the last few pages but it has been something that I and seemingly others have picked up on in the past.

If you look back at this post http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=81176281&postcount=117 something similar to this topic has been brought up on this thread before.

Seemingly, in general, people are not sure what does and does not go and that may be why people are not starting threads. I'm not really a thread starter anyway, in any forum so have no further insight on this...

eviltwin

RacoonQueen wrote: »

I'm not saying they should be left here. I touched on something similar to this(re: those types of threads) near the start of this thread, I don't know if this is what you and Wibbs are talking about now but that wasn't really what I was referring to now. As I said, I don't have examples of what I'm thinking of and couldn't find them over the last few pages but it has been something that I and seemingly others have picked up on in the past.

If you look back at this post http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=81176281&postcount=117 something similar to this topic has been brought up on this thread before.

Seemingly, in general, people are not sure what does and does not go and that may be why people are not starting threads. I'm not really a thread starter anyway, in any forum so have no further insight on this...

I totally agree with Ash's sentiment on that post. Its hard to know what is and isn't allowed here and its probably the main reason I don't start threads. Why go to that trouble just to see it binned?

Take the thread on the C-section. I saw that thread go up and thought it would be moved to Parenting particulary seeing as there was talk a while back that there were too many child related posts on the board. Its still there though and a great debate was the result. But I'm surprised it stayed.

I find the threads that are up there now are very stereotypical, feminism, reproductive rights, sexism....all important but sometimes a bit much. I would like the mods to be a bit more relaxed and let threads lie or die by their own merits. If no one has an interest in them they will go pretty quick anyway.

clairefontaine

Stheno wrote: »

I suspect a lot of that is down to the demographic of the forum, which overall, is populated with a huge proportion of under 30s who may not necessarily have the interest in these topics, haven't had life experience of them etc.

That's true. It's not like you see many threads on menopause.

Lucyfur

If we were more relaxed, you wouldn't be happy. We delete a fair amount of posts/threads that would not appeal to any users of tLL. We don't want to have to step in, but we can't ignore reported posts.

eviltwin

Lucyfur wrote: »

If we were more relaxed, you wouldn't be happy. We delete a fair amount of posts/threads that would not appeal to any users of tLL. We don't want to have to step in, but we can't ignore reported posts.

Isn't it up to the posters to decide what does/does not appeal to them. If a topic has no interest it will disappear fairly fast. There seems to be very little consistancy on what is acceptable vs what isn't.

Lucyfur

eviltwin wrote: »

Isn't it up to the posters to decide what does/does not appeal to them. If a topic has no interest it will disappear fairly fast. There seems to be very little consistancy on what is acceptable vs what isn't.

Sure, if the thread is suitable. The majority of the threads deleted are not. We, as mods, try to be on the ball at all times. We get a fair amount of trolls spamming the forum with tripe that nobody wants to read. We try to have that cleared out of the way quickly and efficiently so the users of tLL don't have to read them.

What threads do you want to see? What threads did you like that were moved/deleted? What do YOU deem acceptable?

We are trying to see what the users want. As has been said already, F&A posts, PI posts, Gift posts WILL be moved. As the would if they were posted in AH or tGC or parenting.

Wibbs

clairefontaine wrote: »

[for example I think an interesting autobiographical topic would be "WHAT STEREOTYPICAL QUALITIES DO YOU HAVE?" ] can be presented and what can't, can be inhibiting

I don't see why, I'd like to see that thread myself, so fire it up.

Larianne wrote: »

Yeah - would you shave your hair off like Jesse J for charity or do you regard your hair as part of your femininity and so it's a bit of a no-no?

Same as the above. Fire it up. I personally can't see how either of them are against the ethos of the forum.

Again speaking personally I'd have zero issue with any subject once it was from a woman's angle, with the exception of PI's, fashion and other stuff better off in other forums. Recently we had a thread on women's rugby and it wasn;t moved to the rugby forum.

I think Feedback threads are always going to be a bit, emotional(?). I see it all the time in the Feedback forum. I tend to write out a post and then don't bother to post it. I often wonder whether there is a point to them? So while you may not like Snoopy's post, she is giving her opinion on the forum (with or without any suggestions on how to change it). Sometimes it's difficult to come up with a solution to things, especially if someone is frustrated with a forum, for whatever reason.

Sorry Lar, that's where we may differ. If someone has an issue, then spell it out in clear and concise terms. "Boring" is not approaching that. That's before we even approach the "solutions" bit. Sure if you want to vent then that's cool too and if someone wants to start a venting thread go ahead and sometimes we all need to vent(oh wait we have one ), but it ain't constructive feedback. It's akin to what children come out with on car journeys.

I dunno. I think a lot of posters who used to contribute well to the forum, don't post in tLL any more. Why not, I'm not sure?

It can be a simple enough thing L. People may just drift away. As DeVore used to say, Boards was like a bus, people get on, people stay, people get off, but the bus keeps going. Nature of things. That and change. Have a look at the very early threads on this forum. Jeeebus. :eek:

Maybe because they feel that if they give a different opinion to others and argue it, the words 'bitchy' tends to be thrown around. I know I've seen that a bit. Hard to argue a point when people start saying that.

Really? I see opinions and arguments as either defensible or not. Maybe I'm black and white that way? Someone tears me a new one in a debate(happens a lot) and I think, well OK fair play you bastid/I'm gonna come back with a doozie I don't think "bitchy" unless someone is being an obvious "dick".

A forum is shaped by the people who post in it. If the majority of posters want the type of threads that are in here now, well that's fair enough. If it's to be changed, then I guess people need to start threads of their own. It might entice more posters back into the forum or encourage new posters to visit the forum.

+1

eviltwin

Why was the post on the womens rugby match allowed to stay? Because its the women's team? A post about the mens team would have been moved but there is no reason why the womens rugby is more suitable just because its a female team.

Lucyfur

eviltwin wrote: »

Why was the post on the womens rugby match allowed to stay? Because its the women's team? A post about the mens team would have been moved but there is no reason why the womens rugby is more suitable just because its a female team.

If you read the first post in that particular thread, you will see that the OP had already posted in the rugby forum and he PM'ed the mods of tLL to see if he would be able to post a duplicate.

Stheno

eviltwin wrote: »

Why was the post on the womens rugby match allowed to stay? Because its the women's team? A post about the mens team would have been moved but there is no reason why the womens rugby is more suitable just because its a female team.

I thought it was very appropriate to have the post here. Women who don't currently have an interest in rugby got to hear about how the womens team were doing and for some who might have an interest it might give them an incentive to get involved.

eviltwin

Stheno wrote: »

I thought it was very appropriate to have the post here. Women who don't currently have an interest in rugby got to hear about how the womens team were doing and for some who might have an interest it might give them an incentive to get involved.

It hardly set the fourm alight which says it all. It seems mods decide what stays based on what they like rather than the natural demand of the forum.

Lucyfur

We also have a fantastic running thread, which wasn't moved to athletics. It's a brilliant thread, where we can talk about progress, injuries, and the best bra to wear, and get brilliant advice from women who are a step ahead of us in their fitness.

If a thread is moved or closed, and you don't agree, can you please PM one or all of us?

Lucyfur

eviltwin wrote: »

It hardly set the fourm alight which says it all. It seems mods decide what stays based on what they like rather than the natural demand of the forum.

Did you read it? Did it interest you? Did you post in it?

What's YOUR opinion on the natural demand? I've already asked you but in case you missed it, I'm asking again. I'm genuinely interested in hearing what you want from the forum.

Lucyfur

Also, is it really such a bad thing that people post in appropriate forums? I don't understand the problem with threads being moved to a place where the OP will get the best advice.

clairefontaine

Lucyfur wrote: »

Also, is it really such a bad thing that people post in appropriate forums? I don't understand the problem with threads being moved to a place where the OP will get the best advice.

I would assume they post here because they want advice from women.

You could ask a parenting question but if you move it to parenting you will get moms and dads.

Or a personal question, you may just want a woman's point of view. If you move it to PI you will get everyones.

eviltwin

Lucyfur wrote: »

Did you read it? Did it interest you? Did you post in it?

What's YOUR opinion on the natural demand? I've already asked you but in case you missed it, I'm asking again. I'm genuinely interested in hearing what you want from the forum.

To be honest Lucyfur I would probably have all my posts removed because they don't come with a female angle. As someone mentioned before After Hours type topics but without the jokes and usual crass comments. But they won't stay and that is fair enough, if people don't have an interest they will move to page 2 and be forgotten.

I don't know what is acceptable here sometimes. If I put up a post looking for advice on buying a car for instance would that be okay? Or one looking for a good movie to watch?

I understand you have a job to do but it would be disheartening to go to the trouble of starting a thead only to have it moved or removed. The one topic I did consider starting a thread on was the story of the lady taken to court over the c-section but I didn't because I thought it would be moved to Pregnancy but its stayed.

Lucyfur

Well, I suppose you could post in motors if you wanted car advice, and ask for only women to reply? Why would you want to ask that question in tLL when boards has a motors section? There's a thread in parenting on family cars, 7 seaters and the like, which is appropriate there as the majority of posters have kids...I guess it would depend on what you're looking for. In motors, you may have more knowledgeable posters. I


Is it really so disheartening to have a thread moved to the place where you will get the best advice?

Larianne

But then if the poster wants a female opinion on cars, then would posting the question here not be more appropriate? I think maybe that's what eviltwin and other posters are wondering? Not everyone who posts in here would frequent the motors forum, but may drive and have opinions or experiences in buying cars etc.

eviltwin

Lucyfur wrote: »

Well, I suppose you could post in motors if you wanted car advice, and ask for only women to reply? Why would you want to ask that question in tLL when boards has a motors section? There's a thread in parenting on family cars, 7 seaters and the like, which is appropriate there as the majority of posters have kids...I guess it would depend on what you're looking for. In motors, you may have more knowledgeable posters. I


Is it really so disheartening to have a thread moved to the place where you will get the best advice?

Appropiate forums for appropriate threads but then we end up with a LL full of posts about sexism, women's rights and abortion which gets a bit dull.

Twee.

clairefontaine wrote: »

Or a personal question, you may just want a woman's point of view. If you move it to PI you will get everyones.

Other mods can correct me here, but the point of moving those types of threads is that they do not offer discussion, and this forum is for discussion. PI is for personal advice. Generally in a discussion, the OP offers their own opinion first, as a conversation starter. There was a thread here during the week where the it could have been a discussion or an advice thread, so the OP was asked to clarify, and offer their view point, or if they wanted advice, it would have been moved to PI.

Having OPs open discussions with their opinion is also a good troll/baiter diffuser.

Lucyfur

eviltwin wrote: »

Appropiate forums for appropriate threads but then we end up with a LL full of posts about sexism, women's rights and abortion which gets a bit dull.

Start some threads that interest you! And I agree, there have been a lot of threads lately on sexism, abortion, women's rights, but I suppose it's because they've been in the news a good bit recently and what's happening in the world is always going to impact the threads that are started. A lot of them wouldn't be my cup of tea, so I don't post in them.

Larianne, I suppose if it's female opinions on cars, and that's made clear in the opening post, I don't see why it couldn't stay

RacoonQueen

What qualifies a thread to stay here? On that basis, Lucyfur, most threads in here could go somewhere else. What qualifies the 5:2 thread to stay here rather than nutrition and diet? what qualifies the loungers on the run thread to stay here rather than A/R? I like both threads and I'm not saying they should be moved but surely there'd be more info in those forum regarding these two topics than what a poster would get here.

It wouldn't occur to me to go into F&A if I was looking for advice on where to buy a pair of shoes, for example. To be honest, I would have no interest in the responses in there as I have no familiarity with the posters there. The same could be said for people who post threads here rather than other forums.

Again, I think this is a 'general chat' forum by nature, what qualifies the mods, or, people who report a thread as not appropriate to say that it doesn't fit here if the poster chose to post it here because they're familar with the posters and want the opinions of the posters in this forum?

Maybe just looking at a different way of deciding whether the thread stays or goes and dropping poster a pm(I think this has been done before) and see if they'd rather have it here or have it in the 'appropriate' forum.

Lucyfur

RQ, the 5:2 and running threads are rare. They're popular, they've bother taken off and they've helped many But, the likes of the F&A type threads, if we allowed them, tLL would be overrun with fashion requests. Having said that, I have seen several posters casually ask for fashion advice in the chat thread.

We will definitely look at different ways of deciding whether a thread stays or not.

Also, if you are really unhappy about having a thread of your own moved, you can PM one/all of us.

Wibbs

eviltwin wrote: »

Why was the post on the womens rugby match allowed to stay? Because its the women's team? A post about the mens team would have been moved but there is no reason why the womens rugby is more suitable just because its a female team.

Eh it kinda is ET. A women's rugby team being discussed on a women's forum, but a man's rugby team would have been moved? Ehhhh. Wut? I really don't see the confusion unless one is looking for same. It seems pretty damned obvious to me. If this was the Welsh Forum, we wouldn't be too shocked to see a thread on the Welsh rugby team, but might have a "hang on" moment if a thread kicked off that was exclusively about the French rugby team.

*EDIT* The way I see it and have always seen it is that this forum is about the community. End of. The mods are merely janitors. So if you want to discuss X or Y then do so for gods sake. I've seen at least 4 good ideas for thread subjects in this thread so why are they not being started? The "oooh I'm not sure it's right for here" IMHO smacks of an excuse rather than a reason. Fire em up. Lay em out. If we fail as janitors we'll hear about it PDQ and I can't see too many reported posts on those subjects.

Stheno

eviltwin wrote: »

It hardly set the fourm alight which says it all. It seems mods decide what stays based on what they like rather than the natural demand of the forum.

You could also say that about a lot of the more serious threads.

If it raises awareness in a poster who reads but doesn't post, for me that's good.

eviltwin

Wibbs wrote: »

Eh it kinda is ET. A women's rugby team being discussed on a women's forum, but a man's rugby team would have been moved? Ehhhh. Wut? I really don't see the confusion unless one is looking for same. It seems pretty damned obvious to me. If this was the Welsh Forum, we wouldn't be too shocked to see a thread on the Welsh rugby team, but might have a "hang on" moment if a thread kicked off that was exclusively about the French rugby team.

*EDIT* The way I see it and have always seen it is that this forum is about the community. End of. The mods are merely janitors. So if you want to discuss X or Y then do so for gods sake. I've seen at least 4 good ideas for thread subjects in this thread so why are they not being started? The "oooh I'm not sure it's right for here" IMHO smacks of an excuse rather than a reason. Fire em up. Lay em out. If we fail as janitors we'll hear about it PDQ and I can't see too many reported posts on those subjects.

My point is Wibbs that there are comments about threads being moved to "appropriate forums". The Rugby thread would have had an obvious home on the Rugby forum. The assumption that women are going to have an interest in a match just because its a womens team is a bit typical. I'm sure any of the women sports fans out there have no problem talking about it on the relevant forum.

Ps I don't have a problem with it up there, just using it as an example.

I've no interest in starting threads that will be moved on the whim of a mod. Because thats all its seems to be lately. Mods like a thread it stays, don't like it and its moved.

Lucyfur

eviltwin wrote: »

My point is Wibbs that there are comments about threads being moved to "appropriate forums". The Rugby thread would have had an obvious home on the Rugby forum. The assumption that women are going to have an interest in a match just because its a womens team is a bit typical. I'm sure any of the women sports fans out there have no problem talking about it on the relevant forum.

Ps I don't have a problem with it up there, just using it as an example.

I've no interest in starting threads that will be moved on the whim of a mod. Because thats all its seems to be lately. Mods like a thread it stays, don't like it and its moved.

Examples please?

And as I already said, the rugby thread is already in the rugby forum.

Twee.

There is one moved thread within the first two pages.