Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

jordainius · 18-01-2013 02:42PM

I was fully certain he had no intention of signing and he was just stringing us along until an inevitible bosman, so fair play to him, he was straight up and honest all along. So I'm happy with him, its nice to see players having a bit of loyalty.

Mixed feelings though, he's now on a wage he hasn't earned, this is as bad as giving Vela, Denilson, Bendtner and so on 50/60K a week. We finally bend over backwards to keep a player and its Theo Walcott... We have let so many better and more influential players leave without putting up much resistance.

greendom · 18-01-2013 02:51PM

jordainius wrote: »

I was fully certain he had no intention of signing and he was just stringing us along until an inevitible bosman, so fair play to him, he was straight up and honest all along. So I'm happy with him, its nice to see players having a bit of loyalty.

Mixed feelings though, he's now on a wage he hasn't earned, this is as bad as giving Vela, Denilson, Bendtner and so on 50/60K a week. We finally bend over backwards to keep a player and its Theo Walcott... We have let so many better and more influential players leave without putting up much resistance.

Walcott's on an upward curve though - year on year he's improving and maturing into a fine footballer. Don't think he should be allowed to play the centre-forward role - he gets too isolated and he's easily out-muscled, but on the right or with a partner up front we'll really see the best out of him in the next 3 years. Only thing is, by then he'll be at his peak and his contract will be up :rolleyes:

meriwether · 18-01-2013 02:51PM

keano_afc wrote: »

Shea

Jenkinson Mert Boateng Gibbs

Ox Eisfeld Wilshere Gnabry

Pod Walcott

All Anglo-Teutonic line up.

No room for Goetze?

JPA · 18-01-2013 03:03PM

Good for Arsenal that he signed but it seems like it was very much on his terms.

He wanted 100k a week for 5 years, and Arsenal eventually offered him 90k a week for 5 years but he said he'd prefer 3.5 years at 100k plus 3 mill signing on fee.

Seems to be very much on his terms and the club didn't want another big name to go.

Soups123 · 18-01-2013 03:22PM

JPA wrote: »

Good for Arsenal that he signed but it seems like it was very much on his terms.

He wanted 100k a week for 5 years, and Arsenal eventually offered him 90k a week for 5 years but he said he'd prefer 3.5 years at 100k plus 3 mill signing on fee.

Seems to be very much on his terms and the club didn't want another big name to go.

Did you speak with him or where you in on the negotiation?

robby^5 · 18-01-2013 03:30PM

If it is a 3.5 year deal then I think it's a compromise by both Theo and the club. He gets the big wages he wanted but on a medium rather than long term deal. Let's see if he's worth what we're paying him after 2 more seasons. He has to play for his next deal anyway so we'll get the best out of him.

tayto lover · 18-01-2013 03:34PM

JPA wrote: »

Good for Arsenal that he signed but it seems like it was very much on his terms.

He wanted 100k a week for 5 years, and Arsenal eventually offered him 90k a week for 5 years but he said he'd prefer 3.5 years at 100k plus 3 mill signing on fee.

Seems to be very much on his terms and the club didn't want another big name to go.

The only good thing about this is that yet another player didn't leave the club and again advertise that we are a selling club'
As for Theo I couldn't care less if he had gone. One good game in a dozen is a poor return for that kind of money. Theo is an average player.I am not convinced by him at all.

robby^5 · 18-01-2013 03:36PM

Theo's new deal confirmed by the club.

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/theo-walcott-signs-new-long-term-contract

Wenger looks very relived in that photo!

Pepe LeFrits · 18-01-2013 03:39PM

tayto lover wrote: »

The only good thing about this is that yet another player didn't leave the club and again advertise that we are a selling club'
As for Theo I couldn't care less if he had gone. One good game in a dozen is a poor return for that kind of money. Theo is an average player.I am not convinced by him at all.

A goal or assist every appearance for a player who only has a good game 8% of the time is a pretty astonishing record. Imagine how many we'd score if he got up to a good game every half dozen.

tayto lover · 18-01-2013 03:46PM

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

A goal or assist every appearance for a player who only has a good game 8% of the time is a pretty astonishing record. Imagine how many we'd score if he got up to a good game every half dozen.

Is Giroud's average not even higher?

Pepe LeFrits · 18-01-2013 03:55PM

No...

18-01-2013 04:00PM

In the league:

Giroud: Mins played: 1182, goals: 6, assists: 1.
Walcott: Mins played 1046, goals: 8, assists: 8.

tayto lover · 18-01-2013 04:00PM

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

No...

Much in it?

dvemail · 18-01-2013 04:06PM

Don't know what it is overall but in the league Walcott has 8 goals and 6 assists to Girouds 6 goals and 1 assist.
I know Walcott isn't the best but it can't fathom how people are not happy that we've secured the signature of our top scorer for the season so far. We are about half way through the season with 14 goals to his name and for me that is a great return.

tayto lover · 18-01-2013 04:16PM

Not much in it and when you conside that it's Girouds first season and he has had to adapt to a new team/system. Giroud is a very honest player who tries hard. Theo seems to become anonymous against the big clubs with skillful defenders. His corners and free-kicks are abysmal too.

Anyway he has got his contract and we have to get behind him now but i'm still not convinced by him to be honest about it.

JPA · 18-01-2013 04:18PM

Soups123 wrote: »

Did you speak with him or where you in on the negotiation?

That's all on the BBC.

emergingstar · 18-01-2013 04:20PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Not much in it and when you conside that it's Girouds first season and he has had to adapt to a new team/system. Giroud is a very honest player who tries hard. Theo seems to become anonymous against the big clubs with skillful defenders. His corners and free-kicks are abysmal too.

Anyway he has got his contract and we have to get behind him now but i'm still not convinced by him to be honest about it.

I agree with this he signed I'm not convinced he is worth it but I will get behind him regardless

TimeToShine · 18-01-2013 04:20PM

Walcott's stats are being padded by those two hat-tricks. The matter of the fact is we all have the right to be disappointed by how he has turned out so far. We signed him at 16 with very high hopes and he hasn't progressed as quickly as we'd hoped. Obviously he's still 23 but look at the likes of Hazard and Goetze, that's the kind of player we had every right to expect at 21/22 after all the hype around him. He's not particularly bad, bit of a headless chicken but he does contribute and is quite valuable to us, but using stats to justify his importance isn't really all that telling.

dvemail · 18-01-2013 04:31PM

I thing that frustrates us all with Theo is that he shows us glimpses of what he can do and gets all our hopes up only to do shag all for a few matches. But it's the fact that he can do those things and now all he needs to do is be more consistent and then all of a sudden he will be one our best players.

Giggsy11 · 18-01-2013 04:36PM

TimeToShine wrote: »

Walcott's stats are being padded by those two hat-tricks. .

Ignore the league cup and compare his stats with one of the best winger in the league.

Walcott started 10 games but scored in 6 games, goal or assist in 7 games.

In comparison to Bale (who is regarded as one of the best winger in the league) : Started 18 games, scored in 7 games, goal or assist in 8 games.

So even though he had 8 less starts in league, Walcott has matched Bale's goal scoring record.

If we include goals and assists then Bale has 10 (9+1) and Walcott 14 (8+6).

All this with 8 less starts and both have scored in almost same number of games.

Fuzzy_Dunlop · 18-01-2013 04:39PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Ignore the league cup and compare his stats with one of the best winger in the league.

Walcott started 10 games but scored in 6 games, goal or assist in 7 games.

In comparison to Bale (who is regarded as one of the best winger in the league) : Started 18 games, scored in 7 games, goal or assist in 8 games.

So even though he had 8 less starts in league, Walcott has matched Bale's goal scoring record.

If we include goals and assists then Bale has 10 (9+1) and Walcott 14 (8+6).

All this with 8 less starts and both have scored in almost same number of games.

Well, when you put it like that...

Giggsy11 · 18-01-2013 04:43PM

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

Well, when you put it like that...

Well with overuse of word "overrated", there comes time when player will really be underrated by all section of fans and IMO Walcott fits in that category.

He is bit frustrating player to watch but you can't argue against his goal scoring/ assists record. He is a final third player and goals wins you points.

IMO he is underrated player, people go on about how headless chicken he is, completely ignoring what he brings to the team.

greendom · 18-01-2013 04:58PM

Anyway, now the Walcott saga is over, is there any chance, do you think, that we could bring in an extra couple of players? A strong physical midfielder would be top of my list....

premierstone · 18-01-2013 05:04PM

dvemail wrote: »

I know Walcott isn't the best but it can't fathom how people are not happy that we've secured the signature of our top scorer for the season so far. We are about half way through the season with 14 goals to his name and for me that is a great return.

It's the new cool thing as an Arsenal fan apparently - to be constantly criticising Theo, it will blow over shortly and we can go back to the Arsene Out threads :rolleyes:

TimeToShine · 18-01-2013 05:12PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Ignore the league cup and compare his stats with one of the best winger in the league.

Walcott started 10 games but scored in 6 games, goal or assist in 7 games.

In comparison to Bale (who is regarded as one of the best winger in the league) : Started 18 games, scored in 7 games, goal or assist in 8 games.

So even though he had 8 less starts in league, Walcott has matched Bale's goal scoring record.

If we include goals and assists then Bale has 10 (9+1) and Walcott 14 (8+6).

All this with 8 less starts and both have scored in almost same number of games.

I specifically said at the end of my post that using stats isn't all that telling...I'm judging by what I see in football games week in week out, how many chances he misses, how many times he falls over himself, how many times he chooses to go alone instead of making the easy pass. Comparing him to Bale on stats alone is ridiculous. If you watch Spurs Bale constantly makes progress up the field, Walcott tends to run himself into a corner and then fall over, there is a fair bit between the two, but if the statistics make up for that then by all means carry on.

I'm not saying he's bad by any means, just that we have the right to expect a bit more.

tayto lover · 18-01-2013 05:16PM

premierstone wrote: »

It's the new cool thing as an Arsenal fan apparently - to be constantly criticising Theo, it will blow over shortly and we can go back to the Arsene Out threads :rolleyes:

Not new for me. I never rated him. Unlike him i'm consistent.

Giggsy11 · 18-01-2013 05:24PM

TimeToShine wrote: »

I specifically said at the end of my post that using stats isn't all that telling...I'm judging by what I see in football games week in week out, how many chances he misses, how many times he falls over himself, how many times he chooses to go alone instead of making the easy pass. Comparing him to Bale on stats alone is ridiculous. If you watch Spurs Bale constantly makes progress up the field, Walcott tends to run himself into a corner and then fall over, there is a fair bit between the two, but if the statistics make up for that then by all means carry on.

I'm not saying he's bad by any means, just that we have the right to expect a bit more.

I have already said Walcott can be headless chicken at times but he is a final third player. He scores goals and creates chances. I know how frustrating he can be (when I want Arsenal to win against City/Chelsea) but he does produce goods.

He could have been better player for sure but I don't blame him entirely for that. He is not a winger so it's like he was played out of position in his entire Arsenal career.

I'm not saying his allround game is as good as Bale but he scores as many as Bale and has more assists. Stats can be misleading, but you can't ignore Walcott's impressive stats when you take into account he has 8 less starts than Bale.

I don't know how Arsenal fans rate him in general or what they think about his best position, but for me he should be a striker. He played poorly against City but he should be given run of games as he has lot of goals in him.

emergingstar · 18-01-2013 05:29PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Ignore the league cup and compare his stats with one of the best winger in the league.

Walcott started 10 games but scored in 6 games, goal or assist in 7 games.

In comparison to Bale (who is regarded as one of the best winger in the league) : Started 18 games, scored in 7 games, goal or assist in 8 games.

So even though he had 8 less starts in league, Walcott has matched Bale's goal scoring record.

If we include goals and assists then Bale has 10 (9+1) and Walcott 14 (8+6).

All this with 8 less starts and both have scored in almost same number of games.

That's not fair on bale he is playing in a shït team

farna_boy · 18-01-2013 05:29PM

premierstone wrote: »

It's the new cool thing as an Arsenal fan apparently - to be constantly criticising Theo, it will blow over shortly and we can go back to the Arsene Out threads :rolleyes:

Yeah because of all the Arsenal players, he is the one that they should all aspire to be more like.

Over the last few games Walcott has shown the following:

1. Is far too greedy with the ball: had numerous chances to pass the ball to others (in far better positions) around the penalty area but prefers to shoot himself.

2. Can't take corner kicks.

3. Can't take free kicks.

4. Can be taken completely taken out of a game if we are playing against a reasonably good defence (Man City)

5. Will only play where he wants, not where he is told

6. Never tracks back to cover his wing (when he actually decides to play there).

I can see what you mean though, I wish we had more players like him...

Oranage2 · 18-01-2013 05:34PM

I don't think 90k is a lot of money in the prem theses days.

Id like to know what players from united, pool, spurs, city and chelsea earn 90k.

For a productive player that's not world class i think 90k is right. I for one am happy he's signed since its embarrassing losing good players because we won't pay them the going rate.

Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

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