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freedominacup · 02-01-2013 04:39PM

reilig wrote: »

You only have to go back to posts from March and April 2012 in this thread to see lads complaining of a lack of rainfall after 2 dry weeks. I can only imagine the crys if we got a whole month without rain!!

I know but they got their answer. Only trouble was we al got a dose of it as well. One of the neighbours fed silage all summer 2011 apart from 2 weeks in a reasonably normal summer. We fed from early August 2011 due to drought also and we would not be heavily stocked. It's just part of the cost of doing business around here.

1chippy · 02-01-2013 09:33PM

freedominacup wrote: »

AFAIK puberty is more weight driven than age driven. I don't think the type of sire will have much impact TBH.

Had a hereford heifer calve down here at 15 months and was only around 350 kg when calving. She was too far gone by the time we noticed her and the vet said to just let her on.
She calved with assistance but no cesarian reared a serious calf and we let her to the bull again last year. She didnt grow much but we have her on a restricted diet and hopefully she will pop in a week or two.

bogman_bass · 02-01-2013 09:52PM

freedominacup wrote: »

AFAIK puberty is more weight driven than age driven. I don't think the type of sire will have much impact TBH.

no breed most definatly comes into it ( I doubt that there is much variation between bulls within breeds though)
Thats why jerseys can be bred at much lighter weights than big holisteins

mf240 · 02-01-2013 10:07PM

bogman_bass wrote: »

no breed most definatly comes into it ( I doubt that there is much variation between bulls within breeds though)
Thats why jerseys can be bred at much lighter weights than big holisteins

Ya but they would be of the same age there just a smaller animal.

If they were badly reared they would come in heat for the first time later than if they were reared really well.

delaval · 02-01-2013 11:00PM

Spoke to our student today, absolutly no experience never milked a cow. I know I still have to meet him and I really would like to give him a chance. Anyone have a similar experience and how did it work out?

mf240 · 02-01-2013 11:04PM

delaval wrote: »

Spoke to our student today, absolutly no experience never milked a cow. I know I still have to meet him and I really would like to give him a chance. Anyone have a similar experience and how did it work out?

He might be more open minded than a know it all telling ya the way they do it at home.

Sure unless hes thick hell learn.

Is it hard to get a student nowadays?

td5man · 02-01-2013 11:12PM

delaval wrote: »

Spoke to our student today, absolutly no experience never milked a cow. I know I still have to meet him and I really would like to give him a chance. Anyone have a similar experience and how did it work out?

Neighbours wife is from the middle of dublin and she took to milking no bother.

delaval · 02-01-2013 11:14PM

You know I think your right. I asked had he ever milked he said no which is better than telling me a pack of lies as many did before. I really liked his honesty, I haave a blank canvass to brain wash that jex is the only way. It would be some craic if he ends up with a pedigree holstein breeder next year. I have never failed to get a student so I don't know is the answer

whelan1 · 02-01-2013 11:23PM

td5man wrote: »

Neighbours wife is from the middle of dublin and she took to milking no bother.

husband is from the middle of dublin and he didnt:rolleyes:

dzer2 · 02-01-2013 11:38PM

The missus is from a town she had no problem doing milking feeding calves doing broilers or turkeys

freedominacup · 02-01-2013 11:44PM

bogman_bass wrote: »

no breed most definatly comes into it ( I doubt that there is much variation between bulls within breeds though)
Thats why jerseys can be bred at much lighter weights than big holisteins

I didn't say breed I said type. The post I replied to mentioned maternal type sires giving daughters with an earlier onset of puberty. I said i didn't think so that it was weight related more than anything. Age comes into it to some degree. It's weight within a breed. Obviously a 200kg Jersey could start bulling you'd probably need another 50kg on a large type charolais before she would start bulling.

just do it · 03-01-2013 12:21AM

delaval wrote: »

You know I think your right. I asked had he ever milked he said no which is better than telling me a pack of lies as many did before. I really liked his honesty, I haave a blank canvass to brain wash that jex is the only way. It would be some craic if he ends up with a pedigree holstein breeder next year. I have never failed to get a student so I don't know is the answer

Sounds like a decent lad. In fairness it's not rocket science and honesty, a good work ethic and an ability to learn is more valuable than anything else.

How long will he spend with you?

delaval · 03-01-2013 12:28AM

15 weeks starting Monday. Will be here for all the calving and ai of heifers. Yea the challenge is growing on me, my only worry is that we get so busy here that if he can only do certain things he will be left with all the ****ty jobs. We do not want to treat him badly.

Timmaay · 03-01-2013 12:37AM

delaval wrote: »

my only worry is that we get so busy here that if he can only do certain things he will be left with all the ****ty jobs. We do not want to treat him badly.

He's a green cert student? From what I've heard from a few different lads who have got placement over the past yr or so, If your actually worried about giving him the sh**ty jobs your chap will be fine for definite ha, some of the stories coming back are rough, there are some strange fish of dairyfarmers out there!

just do it · 03-01-2013 12:38AM

delaval wrote: »

15 weeks starting Monday. Will be here for all the calving and ai of heifers. Yea the challenge is growing on me, my only worry is that we get so busy here that if he can only do certain things he will be left with all the ****ty jobs. We do not want to treat him badly.

I think I can see why you're no problems getting students. You treat them right. Best of luck with this lad if you decide to go with him.

just do it · 03-01-2013 12:40AM

whelan1 wrote: »

husband is from the middle of dublin and he didnt:rolleyes:

My wife grew up on a farm and won't go near it!

bob charles · 03-01-2013 01:06AM

just do it wrote: »

Sounds like a decent lad. In fairness it's not rocket science and honesty, a good work ethic and an ability to learn is more valuable than anything else.

How long will he spend with you?

Give me a fellow that knows **** all about the job and I train him up my way, than some young fellow doing it the way his father does it. Come on lads you make it sound like putting on clusters is some sort of magical art, a monkey would nearly best it:D

td5man · 03-01-2013 03:14AM

whelan1 wrote: »

husband is from the middle of dublin and he didnt:rolleyes:

You were to soft with him should have put your foot down from day one.
Wife milks here when i'm busy and shes not from a farm, if i can change a nappy she can milk a cow.
Think she said it was called equality.
As long as she doesnt forget "whats hers is mine and whats mine is me own".
Hope shes not on boards or i could be milking on me own for a while.

td5man · 03-01-2013 03:19AM

just do it wrote: »

My wife grew up on a farm and won't go near it!

Would you blame her!

reilig · 03-01-2013 10:55AM

A Rohs sheep clippers costs €295 from Connacht Agri. Found a supplier in the UK who will sell the same sheep clipper + a separate cattle clipper for a total of £120 including delivery and offer a better warranty on it as well as a full parts back up. I'd shop local if the local's didn't have a 100% mark up!!

bbam · 03-01-2013 11:01AM

reilig wrote: »

A Rohs sheep clippers costs €295 from Connacht Agri. Found a supplier in the UK who will sell the same sheep clipper + a separate cattle clipper for a total of £120 including delivery and offer a better warranty on it as well as a full parts back up. I'd shop local if the local's didn't have a 100% mark up!!

Ahh yes, welcome to Ireland, land of the gougers !!

And then these same suppliers are on whinging about people shopping on tinternet and avoiding local business :mad:

People need a long term business mind, not just mug everyone who walks through the door and expect them to roll over and take it..

And you'll find that your local supplier has closer to 200% going by those numbers..

JohnBoy · 03-01-2013 11:24AM

reilig wrote: »

A Rohs sheep clippers costs €295 from Connacht Agri. Found a supplier in the UK who will sell the same sheep clipper + a separate cattle clipper for a total of £120 including delivery and offer a better warranty on it as well as a full parts back up. I'd shop local if the local's didn't have a 100% mark up!!

not saying they're not ripping you off, but be sure you're comparing like with like.

ROHS is an electrical/electronics standard which basically restricts the use of nasty chemicals in proucts such as lead, mercury cadmium and a few others. So any clippers being legitimately sold in the EU would be ROHS compliant, but that's all it means.

reilig · 03-01-2013 11:33AM

JohnBoy wrote: »

not saying they're not ripping you off, but be sure you're comparing like with like.

ROHS is an electrical/electronics standard which basically restricts the use of nasty chemicals in proucts such as lead, mercury cadmium and a few others. So any clippers being legitimately sold in the EU would be ROHS compliant, but that's all it means.

They are 100% identical. Except one has a Connacht Agri Sticker on it and the other hasn't. It's an expensive bloody sticker!

hugo29 · 03-01-2013 11:49AM

just do it wrote: »

My wife grew up on a farm and won't go near it!

same here wife grew up on a farm and wont go next or near it, and gives out about the smell

Tipp Man · 03-01-2013 12:11PM

bob charles wrote: »

Give me a fellow that knows **** all about the job and I train him up my way, than some young fellow doing it the way his father does it. Come on lads you make it sound like putting on clusters is some sort of magical art, a monkey would nearly best it:D

Bob the days of being a dairy farmer meaning all you have to do is throw on a few clusters are long gone. Only at the weekend we were going through the dairy farmers locally and the rubbish ones have either left dairy completely or have upped their game considerably

And post 2015 I think there won't be any rubbish ones left

bob charles · 03-01-2013 01:50PM

Tipp Man wrote: »

Bob the days of being a dairy farmer meaning all you have to do is throw on a few clusters are long gone. Only at the weekend we were going through the dairy farmers locally and the rubbish ones have either left dairy completely or have upped their game considerably

And post 2015 I think there won't be any rubbish ones left

its not as if your going to give a student the running of the place while you go off on a month long cruise. some of you dairy lads come free with a handle for winding up:D

Bodacious · 03-01-2013 02:08PM

reilig wrote: »

A Rohs sheep clippers costs €295 from Connacht Agri. Found a supplier in the UK who will sell the same sheep clipper + a separate cattle clipper for a total of £120 including delivery and offer a better warranty on it as well as a full parts back up. I'd shop local if the local's didn't have a 100% mark up!!

Good man Reilig,

I did the same there before Xmas and the Swedish Heineger saphir cordless .. There was huge price difference ... Best on that model were a gang in NI called Christies and if you gave them vat no. Even better NI companies understand that alot better, Uk companies are afraid to do anything like that IMO.

Jamescountrysupplies were fairly good too on price, similar site to pedigree cattle .ie... Who did you use ?

reilig · 03-01-2013 02:35PM

Bodacious wrote: »

Good man Reilig,

I did the same there before Xmas and the Swedish Heineger saphir cordless .. There was huge price difference ... Best on that model were a gang in NI called Christies and if you gave them vat no. Even better NI companies understand that alot better, Uk companies are afraid to do anything like that IMO.

Jamescountrysupplies were fairly good too on price, similar site to pedigree cattle .ie... Who did you use ?

Not going as deep in investment as you

Heineger are by far the best. However I only clip the few cows and shear 20 ewes, so I won't be relying on it too much!

I haven't bought yet, but a company called Sure Clip have come in with the best price so far, although there are several other companies in the uk who supply the exact same product as Connacht Agri at much lower prices.

pakalasa · 03-01-2013 03:16PM

I see this thread has now hit over 500,000 views. Way to go Whelan1.
Pity you don't hold royalties.:D

Bodacious · 03-01-2013 08:56PM

reilig wrote: »

Not going as deep in investment as you
Heineger are by far the best. However I only clip the few cows and shear 20 ewes, so I won't be relying on it too much!

I haven't bought yet, but a company called Sure Clip have come in with the best price so far, although there are several other companies in the uk who supply the exact same product as Connacht Agri at much lower prices.

I didn't buy the heiniger either in the end went for a hunt master one... Larger and more powerful with 2 batteries , 3 blades thrown in for £169 stg, equivalent sized/ powered heiniger is E500! Though they probably are the nuts, but alot of money for a piece of kit

Must look at them sure clip crowd

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