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how many bodies...Eamon Gilmore

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  • 20-12-2012 12:06pm
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    OneIdea
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    Moments ago on RTE Live - Leaders Questions

    QUOTING: Minister Eamon Gilmore
    ...how many bodies are buried on this island because of Sinn Fein ...
    What an awful stupid thing to say Live on TV...

    EDIT: Its in relation to this post(10) further down this page.

    Watch from 18 minutes http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10096998/ Remark is said at 28 minutes


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    super_furry
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    It's a valid question. Their armed wing buried so many that they forgot where they left the disappeared.


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    Manach
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    It would depend on the context. Unless it was based on historical matters concerning the Troubles, then this would be a case of playing the man, and not the ball.


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    OneIdea
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    As an electorate representative to the Country as too are Sinn Fein members of the dail... He's showing no decorum as to how a government should be run. I have no political views on either party, but I sure hope Deputy Mary McDonald gets an apology.

    The remark was two her from an angry Eamon Gilmore, I'm almost certain that this will make the news today.


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    hinault
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    What about the Official Sinn Fein / Stickie murder victims, Mr Gimmemore?


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    super_furry
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    I love this whole Sinn Fein double think where everyone is just expected to forget the atrocities their armed wing were carrying out under the same leadership in the living memory of nearly all voters. Its the same up the North, where they hold power and are enacting many of the same decisions that they're slating the government down here for.


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    maccored
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    super_furry wrote: »
    Its the same up the North, where they hold power and are enacting many of the same decisions that they're slating the government down here for.

    Such as? Things they have actual control over now, not finance or financial cuts since thats ruled by westminster.


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    golfball37
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    I'd venture to say Gilmore is repsonsible for more deaths than ML McDonald if we're keeping score.


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    Winty
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    golfball37 wrote: »
    I'd venture to say Gilmore is repsonsible for more deaths than ML McDonald if we're keeping score.

    Any example of Gilmores killing spree?


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    OneIdea
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    Its in the news already... http://www.independent.ie/national-news/how-many-bodies-are-buried-on-this-island-because-of-sinn-fein-gilmore-taunts-mcdonald-in-dail-spat-3332746.html
    ‘How many bodies are buried on this island because of Sinn Fein?’ – Gilmore taunts McDonald in Dail spat

    TANAISTE Eamon Gilmore has launched his most stinging attack to date on Sinn Fein, declaring: "How many bodies are buried on this island because of Sinn Fein."

    Mr Gilmore was responding to Sinn Fein deputy leader Mary-Lou McDonald’s allegations of “sharp corrupt practice” by Health Minister Dr James Reilly.

    Ms McDonald claimed documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act showed Dr Reilly spoke with NAMA about a site in his constituency regarding the location for a controversial primary care centre.

    She claimed this amounted to ministerial interference in site selection and said to Mr Gilmore it was “sharp corrupt practice that cost you a junior minister” – a reference to the resignation of former Labour Party junior minister Roisin Shortall.

    But Mr Gilmore said McDonald had “some neck”.

    “So much illegal activity. How many bodies are buried on this island because of Sinn Fein. You have a neck. You have a neck,” he said.

    “You come in here with your orders from Belfast to make allegations,” he added.

    Mr Gilmore said the Health Minister had challenged Ms McDonald to “say outside of this House what you have said here”.

    “This is a clever little trick,” he said.

    “Swinging around political allegations – you are sinking to a new low now,” he added.

    - Fionnan Sheahan


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    seamus
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    He's right though. This is a new tactic being carried out by the socialist right - absuing Dail privilege to start slinging around defamatory statements and accusations.

    The purpose of the Dail privilege is to allow TDs to speak openly and honestly without fear of legal reproach. It's purpose was never to allow for unrestrained mud-slinging.

    You could argue that he should rise above it and not resort to the same tactics, but we know from history past that simply ignoring mud-slinging attacks doesn't clean the mud away and is usually seen as a tacit admission that the allegations are true.


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    R P McMurphy
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    seamus wrote: »
    He's right though. This is a new tactic being carried out by the socialist right - absuing Dail privilege to start slinging around defamatory statements and accusations.

    The purpose of the Dail privilege is to allow TDs to speak openly and honestly without fear of legal reproach. It's purpose was never to allow for unrestrained mud-slinging.

    You could argue that he should rise above it and not resort to the same tactics, but we know from history past that simply ignoring mud-slinging attacks doesn't clean the mud away and is usually seen as a tacit admission that the allegations are true.
    It is pretty poor practice and an easy way to avoid answering or commenting upon topical questions. He should respond to the question and then maybe enter a parliamentary question to address other issues he may want to ask Sinn Fein.


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    Debator
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    seamus wrote: »
    He's right though. This is a new tactic being carried out by the socialist right...

    I stopped reading there. An oxymoron if I ever saw one.
    What's next - the evil Communist Nazi Jews?


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    spank_inferno
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    I havent seen the clip yet.
    I will hazard a guess though that the Tanaiste has asked a question he would rather not answer.

    I will guess the SF question had something to do with Labours poor performance in government and/or cutting of respite care grants.

    I will also guess the Tanaiste deflected the probably legitimate question by once again playing the man instead of the ball.


    I'm as pretty anti SF as one can get however I'm tired of both Kinny & Gilmore's behaviour when faced with questions from elected Dail members.
    Their constant "you can talk... look what you did" mantra gets tiring.


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    seamus
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    Debator wrote: »
    I stopped reading there. An oxymoron if I ever saw one.
    What's next - the evil Communist Nazi Jews?
    Haha, slip of the fingers. :D I rarely even use the word "right", I meant to just say "socialists".


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    Fromthetrees
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    It's the kind of rubbish remark I've become accustomed to from a rubbish government. Why did he say it to McDonald anyway, I'd say she listens to the odd Ra song and that's about it, wait for Gerry or Ferris who led a past life in the shade.

    Reilly doing stroke politics has nothing to do with the Sinn Fein body count, the country is crumbing and we get our Tanaiste rambling about this.


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    Godge
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    R P McMurphy wrote: »
    It is pretty poor practice and an easy way to avoid answering or commenting upon topical questions. He should respond to the question and then maybe enter a parliamentary question to address other issues he may want to ask Sinn Fein.

    :confused::confused:Eh, under which Oireachtas rules do Sinn Fein have to answer parliamentary questions?:confused:


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    OCorcrain
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    You know that when Enda Kenny and Eamon Gilmore start mud-slinging these defamatory comments instead of addressing the question put to them it shows they have no-leg to stand on.
    People are wising up to that and are sick of hearing this constant flow of sh*t from these so called statesmen in Labour and FG.

    Gilmore was in the Workers Party of Ireland the political wing of the Official IRA, but we all know he is a hypocrit and a self-serving crook anyway.


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    newman10
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    Winty wrote: »
    Any example of Gilmores killing spree?

    Have this and the last Government been responsible for deaths due to Health Cuts, and any other actions caused by State Bodies (Banks) etc. or the inaction of others (HSE)

    A silent killing spree !!


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    Drumpot
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    This is one of the many idiotic things about Irish electorate . .

    Our government is asked a question from an elected opposition party . . A question that many people would like to hear answered and instead of answering it, he rants off about something completely irrelevant to the topic.

    Its insulting to the Irish people, even the ones who dont realise it. I have never voted Sinn Fein and have no intentions of doing so anytime soon, but our government has decided that it should not be answerable to one of the biggest elected opposition in the country . . Sinn Fein has a right to ask questions and get respectable answers and I would expect prefer a more responsible responses from our government that shows a little respect for the people who voted for a democratically elected party. .

    Its simply pathetic . . Shame on Gilemore for showing such little class and shame on anybody for thinking it was anything other then a tactic government used to avoid the topic. Something FF were very fond and good at doing . .


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    Floppybits
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    I am sick to death of this crap that the government keep coming out with every time they are asked a difficult question. It just goes to show how incapable these people are at running the country if they cannot answer questions from other democratically elected members of the Dail.

    It is a sad sorry state for the country. :(


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    seamus
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    newman10 wrote: »
    Have this and the last Government been responsible for deaths due to Health Cuts, and any other actions caused by State Bodies (Banks) etc. or the inaction of others (HSE)

    A silent killing spree !!
    No more than you're responsible for the deaths of poor children because you buy clothing made in sweatshops.


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    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
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    seamus wrote: »
    No more than you're responsible for the deaths of poor children because you buy clothing made in sweatshops.

    he's actually helping to prevent them because he buys clothes made in sweatshops, or at the very least keeping them away from drugs, begging or prostitution.


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    GRMA
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    Sure weren't loads of Gilmore's mates in the OIRA and he himself in their political wing? They killed their fair share of people.

    You also have ex IRA members including people jailed for running IRA training camps in Labour.

    He has some neck himself.


    Its pathetic, bringing up stuff like that just to deflect. He doesnt care about any victims he just uses them to shield himself in unrelated debates.

    For years people wanted republicans to go down he political route. Now they have what they want, its stupid bashing Mary Lou or Pearse or whoever over things they had nothing to do with


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    flutered
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    is this not common practice from the goverment benches, did not kenny say something to gerry adams re jean mc conville rather answer a question recently, this week did not a homless man die in bray from the cold and malntrition, looking at the goverment front bench there are a few very very overweight people.


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    Stheno
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    From the Irish Times
    Minister for Health James Reilly has challenged Sinn Féin deputy leader Mary Lou McDonald to repeat allegations of corruption against him outside the House.

    Ms McDonald claimed in the Dáil today that Dr Reilly had engaged in "sharp, corrupt practices" in the inclusion of a site in Balbriggan, in his Dublin North constituency, on the list of proposed primary healthcare centres.

    She claimed that information supplied, following a Freedom of Information (FOI) request, showed that "considerable financial advantage" had been conferred on the owner and the developer involved.

    Dr Reilly intervened from the Government benches to challenge Ms McDonald to make the allegations outside the House without the protection of Dáil privilege.

    Amid heated exchanges, Tánaiste Eamon Gilmore said Ms McDonald was trawling over material previously discussed.

    "You have a neck," said Mr Gilmore. "Sinn Féin...you know, so much illegal activity. How many bodies are buried on this island because of Sinn Féin?"

    So SF accuse JOR of corruption and sharp practice, and Gilmore rants back at them


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    listermint
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    seamus wrote: »
    He's right though. This is a new tactic being carried out by the socialist right - absuing Dail privilege to start slinging around defamatory statements and accusations.

    The purpose of the Dail privilege is to allow TDs to speak openly and honestly without fear of legal reproach. It's purpose was never to allow for unrestrained mud-slinging.

    You could argue that he should rise above it and not resort to the same tactics, but we know from history past that simply ignoring mud-slinging attacks doesn't clean the mud away and is usually seen as a tacit admission that the allegations are true.

    What is mud slinging when the facts are clear there has to be a major cause for concern when the minister for health is involved in discussions with NAMA on a site that he has a personal concern in.

    In another thread you claimed to be apolitcal, when its quite clear that you hold great sympathy with the government when they are actually challenged on questions that I personally want answered. Regardless of whom asks the question in the first place.

    Dodging the question with mud slings is a labour and fine gael tactic of late and i dont like it one bit.


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    granturismo
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    Debator wrote: »
    I stopped reading there. An oxymoron if I ever saw one.
    What's next - the evil Communist Nazi Jews?

    National Socialism wasnt even on the left side of the spectrum. So socialist and right are not mutually exclusive.


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    seamus
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    listermint wrote: »
    In another thread you claimed to be apolitcal, when its quite clear that you hold great sympathy with the government when they are actually challenged on questions that I personally want answered. Regardless of whom asks the question in the first place.
    There was no question asked, as far as I can tell. An allegation was made of sharp corrupt politics. If it's a question, it's at best rhetorical because he's hardly going to turn around and say, "You're right; it was corrupt".

    Correct me if I'm wrong, maybe she did actually ask a question.

    Reilly's involvement in changing this list of centres is definitely something I'd be interested in knowing about. But he's already given a simplistic answer. The opposition need to start asking more detailed questions instead of the same ones over and over.


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    flutered
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    it will be fun when gilmore is asked about his association with sean garland and cathal brough, plus a few others, like the people who were caught running a training camp, which was not definitley in f.a.s.s remit, gilmore and rabbit seem to be digging a mighty fine hole for themselves.


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    newman10
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    seamus wrote: »
    No more than you're responsible for the deaths of poor children because you buy clothing made in sweatshops.

    Stupid comment. Irish Gov. has a Social Responsibility to the Irish people which has largely been forgotten over the last few years and this has caused deaths.It is about time this Gov stopped hiding behind the past and gave answers to the questions that are being raised by the opposition


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