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Black ice everywhere

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,247 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    RobFowl wrote: »
    North County bit ropey

    @Billyhead Get well soon and hope you're back on the bike in the new year

    Cheers Robfowl. I'll have to regain the fitness before i start back with the 8.30am Swords group. Looks like I will be joining the 9am group in the new year for a while.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,830 ✭✭✭doozerie


    If more cyclists looked like they could smash their heads in, rather than the emaciated lot they are, maybe things would change

    Getting further off topic here, but some of the most head-smashing-in -able types I've met fall into the emaciated category. It's a very mistaken, but certainly extremely common, misconception that physical build is a measure of someone's ability to cause others harm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭kenmc


    Looks like temps are rising rapidly ahead of the usual wet murky crap "weather" we experience drifting in from the atlantic :( Up to a balmy 7 degrees now at home.
    Grrrr


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,514 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    doozerie wrote: »
    Getting further off topic here, but some of the most head-smashing-in -able types I've met fall into the emaciated category. It's a very mistaken, but certainly extremely common, misconception that physical build is a measure of someone's ability to cause others harm.

    Indeed. Thug Behram, perhaps the original thug, strangled many of his 931 victims with a cummerbund. Not only that, but his slim-fitting attire looks to be straight out of a Rapha catalogue.

    Thug_Behram.gif


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,450 ✭✭✭Harrybelafonte


    doozerie wrote: »
    Getting further off topic here, but some of the most head-smashing-in -able types I've met fall into the emaciated category. It's a very mistaken, but certainly extremely common, misconception that physical build is a measure of someone's ability to cause others harm.

    Agree, but that's exactly why being a bit bigger works, you rarely actually need to resort to physicalities.

    Or so I'm told.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,346 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    MOD VOICE: Back on topic please, this thread is serving well as a black ice warning and story thread, I think we are better off keeping it that way, discussions about street fighting or intimidation can be left elsewhere


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Agree, but that's exactly why being a bit bigger works, you rarely actually need to resort to physicalities.

    Or so I'm told.

    The same can be said - sometimes - for those of limited stature.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭GlennaMaddy


    I'm running scared on my hybrid with the ice and frost these days. Would getting an mtb with spiky tyres be worth it to keep commuting? My big fear is having experienced slips while even going in a straight line that I could easily fall in front of a car or bus.

    These would probably fit a hybrid, I have a pair on my cyclocross bike

    oops! c_daly already mentioned these


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,892 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    And I suppose everyone is going to complain even more about the roads after you've all torn up the antiskid surfaces etc with them studs....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,830 ✭✭✭doozerie


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    And I suppose everyone is going to complain even more about the roads after you've all torn up the antiskid surfaces etc with them studs....

    I think you are confusing bicycle studded tyres with tank tracks. Studded bicycle tyres tear up nothing. Tank tracks do, but those are just for the rainy season bicycle.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,892 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    doozerie wrote: »
    I think you are confusing bicycle studded tyres with tank tracks. Studded bicycle tyres tear up nothing. Tank tracks do, but those are just for the rainy season bicycle.

    No I'm just referring to if you run tungsten carbide tips on a surface it's going to damage it to some extent. Tell you what find a nice piece of tarmac and do an emergency braking maneuver, if there's no marking to the surface then I'll believe you, better still do it on one of the antiskid surfaces near some traffic lights
    Is it OK to ride studs on pavement?
    Yes, but it's worth keeping to a minimum. Pavement will not damage studs. (The studs actually damage the pavement, leaving noticeable scrapes if you skid your tire.) But pavement does wear away the rubber treads. As the rubber around the studs diminishes, they can come loose and fall out--shortening the life of your tire.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭HivemindXX


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    And I suppose everyone is going to complain even more about the roads after you've all torn up the antiskid surfaces etc with them studs....

    It's true. Some people will whine about anything no matter how farcical.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,387 ✭✭✭lennymc


    My schwalbe winter tyres turned up today. Typically there is no ice anywhere near me!! :)

    Got out for a nice spin today, was nice even though it was wet and dirty.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,053 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    And I suppose everyone is going to complain even more about the roads after you've all torn up the antiskid surfaces etc with them studs....

    What does the anti skid surface look like? Does it work?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭kenmc


    BostonB wrote: »
    What does the anti skid surface look like? Does it work?

    isn't it the red bits along the side of the road? usually covered in grit, leaves, broken glass etc


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,053 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    No idea, I assume if its something you'd be braking on it would be near the lights. Most of the roads I'm on don't have any red stuff. Just regular tarmac.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 492 ✭✭seven stars


    Black shiite everywhere tonight, for me at least. Need to get the mudguards fitted if it's going to stay like this!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,892 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    BostonB wrote: »
    What does the anti skid surface look like? Does it work?

    E8DC5_High_Performance_Anti-Skid_1.jpg


    When it's first put down yes, and if it's maintained, again yes


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,053 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    Thats not in Ireland?

    I assume you mean the red stuff like in the last photo here, which is peeling away on its own?

    http://dublinobserver.com/2010/10/cycle-lane-highlights-in-dublin/

    I'm not sure a handful of bicycles on studs would have any thing like the impact of the huge volume of cars/buses and trucks has on it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,830 ✭✭✭doozerie


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    No I'm just referring to if you run tungsten carbide tips on a surface it's going to damage it to some extent. Tell you what find a nice piece of tarmac and do an emergency braking maneuver, if there's no marking to the surface then I'll believe you, better still do it on one of the antiskid surfaces near some traffic lights

    I know exactly what'll happen if I do an emergency braking manoeuvre on a piece of tarmac, my tyre will shed tungsten carbide studs. Tarmac is harder than the (friction) bond between the studs and the tyre, tarmac will win. To suggest that the tyres/studs will do any notable damage to the tarmac is ridiculous.

    The most damage that a carbide stud on a rotating tyre will cause will be a faint, if any, surface scratch. If you are concerned about surface scratches then you should tell the council not to casually scatter gravel over the roads, including the excess gravel-type stuff that they leave in place when they put down that terracotta coloured stuff that I imagine you are talking about when you refer to an anti-skid surface. If the road is at risk of damage, it's from cars driving over gravel on it (or people walking on it with spiked shoe covers, the hoors wha').

    Incidentally, that so-called anti-skid surface is the exact opposite when they leave excess terracotta material on it (which seems to be standard practice) when they first install it. That loose layer of grit is slippery and dangerous. Such areas of road are also usually flanked by wide painted lines to segregate it from the neighbouring lane(s), and quite often the same paint is used within the segregated area to cover a large area with words like "BUS LANE". That paint seems to be the most slippy material ever invented, even on a wet non-icy day, but in the ice it is extra lethal.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 16,138 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    When it's first put down yes, and if it's maintained, again yes

    So its those b@stard cyclists with studs tearing up our otherwise pristine cycle lanes. Here was me thinking it was the cars, lorries, tractors and various other motorised vehicles that shouldn't be there doing the damage. Who'da thunk it. Maybe the protective layer of broken glass and rotten leaves will help some. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,702 ✭✭✭daymobrew


    ciotog wrote: »
    I tried speaking to a taxi driver about his behaviour recently and got ****ed out of it along with a comment on cycling in the centre of the bus lane (by the US Embassy). I really doubt anything changed with him.
    Garda TrafficWatch might help here. Even if the Gardai do not do anything (which in my experience is considerably more often than them doing something), the report will be there for the next Garda to read.

    I was furious with a taxi driver recently and shouted a lot (he was entering a roundabout from my left faster than I liked). I found him around the corner, by which time I had calmed down, and we had a short but good chat. He agreed that he was coming in too fast. I said that it scared the **** out of me (and I had my 5 year old on a crossbar seat). He said you couldn't pay him enough to cycle and that I was a bit mad. Hopefully he is a bit more aware now.

    EDIT: Sorry for going off topic - I didn't see mod note until after I posted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭MB Lacey


    On tropical days like today, does one still cycle with their studded tyres on their mtb/ hybrids?
    I just ordered some and dont want to be changing tyres and tubes each morning before I set off for work depending on the weather.
    And buying a new bike is not an option :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,702 ✭✭✭daymobrew


    As these 28x1.2 Schwalbe Winter Touring Tyres look like they might fit my Sirrus, would it be enough to get one for the rear tyre?

    As I don't want to be swapping them with a non-studded tyre, is there much disadvantage to leaving it on all the time?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,365 ✭✭✭Lusk Doyle


    MB Lacey wrote: »
    On tropical days like today, does one still cycle with their studded tyres on their mtb/ hybrids?
    I just ordered some and dont want to be changing tyres and tubes each morning before I set off for work depending on the weather.
    And buying a new bike is not an option :)

    Sounds like you need an extra set of wheels.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭MB Lacey


    Lusk Doyle wrote: »
    Sounds like you need an extra set of wheels.
    Even changing wheels each morning would be messy, plus I'm lazy!
    Is there a disadvantage to cycling in studded tyres on non icy days?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,365 ✭✭✭Lusk Doyle


    MB Lacey wrote: »
    Even changing wheels each morning would be messy, plus I'm lazy!
    Is there a disadvantage to cycling in studded tyres on non icy days?

    I've never done it so I can't comment. I don't generally cycle outside when it's icy so I don't have any such tyres.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,830 ✭✭✭doozerie


    MB Lacey wrote:
    Is there a disadvantage to cycling in studded tyres on non icy days?

    Not in terms of grip no, the studs will be pushed into the tyre so that the rubber treads make contact with the tarmac so grip on non icy days is equivalent to that of non-studded knobbly tyres (which is to say not quite as good as slicks, but still adequate). The studded tyres are heavier and roll a bit slower than non-studded tyres so you might be a little slower overall with studded tyres - for my 11km commute, it is a little harder work with studded tyres versus slicks but the difference is not so big as to bother me (and on the positive side, the extra exercise will do me good).

    I fitted my studded tyres 2 weeks ago and plan to leave them on my commute bike, regardless of weather, until probably March or so. This was my approach for the last 2 years and it worked out well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭kenmc


    daymobrew wrote: »
    As these 28x1.2 Schwalbe Winter Touring Tyres look like they might fit my Sirrus, would it be enough to get one for the rear tyre?

    As I don't want to be swapping them with a non-studded tyre, is there much disadvantage to leaving it on all the time?

    If you're just getting one, I'd put it up front. It's much easier to handle a back wheel slipping than a front one, so that's where you need the spikes


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭kenmc


    MB Lacey wrote: »
    On tropical days like today, does one still cycle with their studded tyres on their mtb/ hybrids?
    I just ordered some and dont want to be changing tyres and tubes each morning before I set off for work depending on the weather.
    And buying a new bike is not an option :)
    I still took my MTB this morning, hoping against hope that some of the light snow showers we are maybe going to get will stick and make a lovely cycle home.

    Probably should have taken the commuter though.

    But when I build up the Kaffenback I'll leave that with winter tyres till marchish I reckon. Or at least till we get out of frosty mornings.


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