Man pushed under Dublin Bus and decapitated

Drakares · 07-12-2012 11:55AM

So so sad.

RIP

Duggy747 · 07-12-2012 11:58AM

Mental Mickey wrote: »

Hmmmm........I beg to differ.

A large wheel like a bus crushing a skull results in pretty much an instantaneous death. He would've been dead even before the bus stopped.

seanhalpin · 07-12-2012 12:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Independent being as classy as ever. They said on RTE that the body is still at the scene which is more than enough detail. Sounds like a horrible incident.

TYpicaly. Now we'll have the knuckle draggers with nothing better to do going down that way to rubberneck at the scene.

Gummy Panda · 07-12-2012 12:06PM

Duggy747 wrote: »

A large wheel like a bus crushing a skull results in pretty much an instantaneous death. He would've been dead even before the bus stopped.

Yeah he would have been dead before the shock of the fall wore off

jack presley · 07-12-2012 12:08PM

RikkFlair wrote: »

Yeah its on his Live 2002 DVD. Not being from Dublin I often wondered where exactly he was on about, now sadly I know for sure

Horrific thing for people to witness.

I think he was on about the traffic island on the other side of Trinity, the one with the closed public toilet opposite the Westin. Could be wrong though.

repsol · 07-12-2012 12:16PM

Duggy747 wrote: »

A large wheel like a bus crushing a skull results in pretty much an instantaneous death. He would've been dead even before the bus stopped.

Nice description! You should send a CV into the Independent.

seanhalpin · 07-12-2012 12:25PM

Someone mentioned bystander effect - not only in assulaust but applied in gerneral when someone is in severe distress and no-one helps.

Most shocking example is similar to this case. Remember in china when that child was run over by a not one but two vans. Some dope with a camer just filmed it happening and is shows people just stepping over the body on the street. An absolute disgrace that it played out like this.

However, I would tend to blame this on socialism having destroyed any kind of empathy in most poeple.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBdY8IfFKuk

seamus · 07-12-2012 12:27PM

repsol wrote: »

Nice description! You should send a CV into the Independent.

Maybe it's not for this thread, but there's an academic discussion about whether being more explicit in describing road traffic incidents would actually make people think more about their actions on the road.

"Man struck by bus" conjures images of someone knocked out the way of the bus, landing on the ground. Even if he dies, the mind conjures up images of a body which has a couple of cuts and bruises but is otherwise fairly flawless. The reality is usually nothing like that, and the level of shock and sadness in this thread I think reflects that.

If the reporting had simply said that a man had been struck by a bus on Dawson st, would posters on this thread have been as sensitive and apalled? I don't think so.

Most fatal road traffic incidents are pretty gruesome (speak to any Garda or EMT), but watered-down reporting of the incidents makes us desensitised to it. Decapitations are far more common than anyone would think.

Perhaps if the media were encouraged to describe what actually happened, we'd be more likely to scrub our speed by 5km/h, or take more care before walking out on the road?

seanhalpin · 07-12-2012 12:27PM

I'm tyred of this despicable behaviour in the city centre.

I see what you did there. Yer man got "tyred" too. Good one.:pac:

Banned

Adrift · 07-12-2012 12:28PM

I'm tyred

Absolute plonker.

ronan45 · 07-12-2012 12:29PM

Independent
"The victim, who was in his 20s, was decapitated. He died at the scene opposite Trinity College in Dublin’s Nassau Street"

Hmmm I wouldnt of expected him to survive till he got to the hospital with such an injury

Mental Mickey · 07-12-2012 12:34PM

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Yeah he would have been dead before the shock of the fall wore off

Eh how exactly?

repsol · 07-12-2012 12:40PM

seamus wrote: »

Maybe it's not for this thread, but there's an academic discussion about whether being more explicit in describing road traffic incidents would actually make people think more about their actions on the road.

"Man struck by bus" conjures images of someone knocked out the way of the bus, landing on the ground. Even if he dies, the mind conjures up images of a body which has a couple of cuts and bruises but is otherwise fairly flawless. The reality is usually nothing like that, and the level of shock and sadness in this thread I think reflects that.

If the reporting had simply said that a man had been struck by a bus on Dawson st, would posters on this thread have been as sensitive and apalled? I don't think so.

Most fatal road traffic incidents are pretty gruesome (speak to any Garda or EMT), but watered-down reporting of the incidents makes us desensitised to it. Decapitations are far more common than anyone would think.

Perhaps if the media were encouraged to describe what actually happened, we'd be more likely to scrub our speed by 5km/h, or take more care before walking out on the road?

I think they should report it warts and all.If people find it too much,turn the page or don't buy that paper.I have attended many gruesome scenes in my career so I am very aware of the mechanics of crush fatalities.People now feel entitled to film EVERYTHING on their phones which is very distracting for those of us who work in this field and very distressing for victims.You can be dealing with a distressed victim of a crime or accident(even minors on occasion) and have some asshole filming it to show to all the other assholes he knows.

Gumbo · 07-12-2012 12:44PM

seanhalpin wrote: »

Most shocking example is similar to this case. Remember in china when that child was run over by a not one but two vans. Some dope with a camer just filmed it happening and is shows people just stepping over the body on the street.

You do know that there was no dope on the other end of that camera, it was CCTV.

Mental Mickey · 07-12-2012 12:44PM

repsol wrote: »

I think they should report it warts and all.If people find it too much,turn the page or don't buy that paper.I have attended many gruesome scenes in my career so I am very aware of the mechanics of crush fatalities.People now feel entitled to film EVERYTHING on their phones which is very distracting for those of us who work in this field and very distressing for victims.You can be dealing with a distressed victim of a crime or accident(even minors on occasion) and have some asshole filming it to show to all the other assholes he knows.

Social Media ftw.

Gumbo · 07-12-2012 12:47PM

Mental Mickey wrote: »

Eh how exactly?

Eh, simply because the bus was so close to him to hit him, that before he even knew he had fallen and wouldnt of have the time to process that a bus was coming towards him.

Between the time of fallen and the bus hitting and killing him instantly would of happened in a moderate blink of an eye.

Tom Joad · 07-12-2012 12:47PM

seanhalpin wrote: »

I see what you did there. Yer man got "tyred" too. Good one.:pac:

You have serious issues if you think that's funny. What is wrong with people like you..

Logical_Bear · 07-12-2012 12:53PM

seanhalpin wrote: »

Someone mentioned bystander effect - not only in assulaust but applied in gerneral when someone is in severe distress and no-one helps.

Most shocking example is similar to this case. Remember in china when that child was run over by a not one but two vans. Some dope with a camer just filmed it happening and is shows people just stepping over the body on the street. An absolute disgrace that it played out like this.

However, I would tend to blame this on socialism having destroyed any kind of empathy in most poeple.

get off the internet will you and stop wasting bandwidth that could be put to good use.
Thats cctv footage(doh!!)and china is a communist state not a socialist one.Shheesh.

Reoil · 07-12-2012 12:57PM

Mental Mickey wrote: »

Eh how exactly?

Look, just accept the fact that the guy died instantly. His brain was crushed. You need your brain to feel pain and to think.

9wetfckx43j5rg · 07-12-2012 01:02PM

I was in an office directly above the incident when it happened. I heard a shout, looked down and he had already died. It was dark and took a few minutes of watching peoples reactions as they went over to help him and then realised that he was far beyond help. After a minute or two a worker put a hi vis over his shoulders and what was left of his head. Then someone else put flattened cardboard boxes over his body and tried to hold them there as the wins tried to blow them away. It was the most horrifying thing I have every seen.

Mental Mickey · 07-12-2012 01:19PM

Seems a lot of posts have been removed??? No surprise.

Reoil · 07-12-2012 01:22PM

I'm a bit surprised that they're still trying to identify the guy. It makes me think it was either a tourist or a foreigner - in the idea that it's somebody who wouldn't necessarily have somebody close to them to contact the police when they didn't arrive home yesterday evening.

Emeraldy Pebbles · 07-12-2012 01:22PM

Higher wrote: »

A friend said he was there and was disgusted. Not only by the incident itself but by all the people gawking and taking photos. Some people had the lack of respect to try get as close as possible to the body to get better pictures.

I think most people would have "gawked" a bit, more from shock than anything. I can imagine myself being frozen to the spot if that happened in front of my eyes. I mean, your friend was there long enough to see people gawking, would that not make him look like gawker too, to an outside observer?

Now, taking photos is another kettle of fish altogether.

loveisdivine · 07-12-2012 01:24PM

Ophelia Curved Zap wrote: »

I was in an office directly above the incident when it happened. I heard a shout, looked down and he had already died. It was dark and took a few minutes of watching peoples reactions as they went over to help him and then realised that he was far beyond help. After a minute or two a worker put a hi vis over his shoulders and what was left of his head. Then someone else put flattened cardboard boxes over his body and tried to hold them there as the wins tried to blow them away. It was the most horrifying thing I have every seen.

I know some people are complaining about people being too gruesome with the details. But to be honest I think for people like you, that actually saw either what happened or the direct aftermath, its important for you to get it out.

Talking about it will help. Obviously we dont need every single detail but what you posted, I feel, is appropriate.

Dravokivich · 07-12-2012 01:25PM

Reoil wrote: »

I'm a bit surprised that they're still trying to identify the guy. It makes me think it was either a tourist or a foreigner - in the idea that it's somebody who wouldn't necessarily have somebody close to them to contact the police when they didn't arrive home yesterday evening.

A tourist would likely have a passport, or something referring to a hotel, like a key.

I think the injuries suffered by the victim is what could be hindering the identification.

Emeraldy Pebbles · 07-12-2012 01:25PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Not an excuse IMH C. You get stuck in if you can. Stand around like a headless chicken and lose my respect(FWIW). Too many bloody bystanders in life I've found and yes too often I've seen it up close.

You've no idea how you would have reacted in this situation. The heart story is not the same. I've stopped to help collapsed people in the street before, but I know I would have reacted a lot differently to seeing something like this. People close enough would/could be in shock. That's not being a "headless chicken". It's easy to get judgmental about it from the comfort of your sofa. I'm not excusing the photo-takers by the way, just the people who maybe lingered a moment too long. "Weak-minded"? FFS.

Lord Trollington · 07-12-2012 01:47PM

realies wrote: »

Unfortunately People want to see gore and death, who it was and whose fault it was, and the media play into that.

How do you suggest the Media report on this incident?

I mean it happened in our capital city, on one of the main thoroughfares through the city. Bringing traffic to a standstill.

Has it really gotten to the stage on the internet or boards.ie that someone who was at the scene or near it cannot describe what they seen?

They are not making it up (presumably) and its not slanderous.

conorhal · 07-12-2012 02:02PM

Higher wrote: »

A friend said he was there and was disgusted. Not only by the incident itself but by all the people gawking and taking photos. Some people had the lack of respect to try get as close as possible to the body to get better pictures.

If I was there the first thing I would have done if I saw people taking photos would be to take the phone out of their hand and smash it. I honestly think I would lose the rag.

Horrible way to go. Horrible for the bus driver. Horrible for the thousands of students who would have been on that street waiting for their bus. Horrible for all the tourists. Horrible for the normal commuters. Horrible for the family of the man. Horrible reporting from the Independent. Everything about this story is horrible.

Its so strange to think tens of thousands of people will be walking on that street tomorrow like nothing happened. I am genuinely disturbed by all the whole situation.

This.

One of the major problems with this country of ours, as I see it, is the fact that we like to be outraged and disgusted (be it by bailouts or cuts for carers) but rarely does our outrage motivate us to act. Our passivity outrages me almost as much as the perpatrators of this heinous crime itself.
I'd have put my boot heel throught the front screen of the first person's expensive iPhone that I saw fim it of something like that happened in front of me (thank God I didn't).

smash · 07-12-2012 02:03PM

conorhal wrote: »

I'd have put my boot heel throught the front screen of the first person's expensive iPhone that I saw fim it of something like that happened in front of me (thank God I didn't).

Because that would make it all better :rolleyes:

Dicky Pride · 07-12-2012 02:04PM

Then you'd be acting like a Neanderthal.

Man pushed under Dublin Bus and decapitated

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