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Why would an Irish person wear a poppy ?

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    #1472
    GRMA
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    No, but he was also arrested for making obscenities, so I guess that is what he was arrested for. Hopefully burning a Poppy isn't an offence.
    Two young lads arrested in the north for doing that last year


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    #1473
    munchkin_utd
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    GRMA wrote: »
    Two young lads arrested in the north for doing that last year
    during my student days in Belfast the cops were arresting lads for pissing in alleyways on the same obscenity laws.

    crazy stuff.


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    #1474
    LordSutch
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    lohal wrote: »
    Many of these "scum" were Irish aprox 35000 Irish died in WWI 210000 Irish served in the British army in WWI there was no conscription in Ireland in that period. why should we forget them?

    Talking of scum, there really is some hateful anti poppy stuff on here this year, which is disheartening, but not representitive of the wider Irish population . . . .

    "They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
    Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
    At the going down of the sun and in the morning
    We will remember them."

    We will remember them.


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    #1475
    GRMA
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    munchkin_utd wrote: »
    during my student days in Belfast the cops were arresting lads for pissing in alleyways on the same obscenity laws.

    crazy stuff.
    You also get hassled by the continuity RUC for wearing a lily... especially for selling them as I discovered last year. Loads of places you arent allowed wear a lily, and many employers require you wear a poppy


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    #1476
    GRMA
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    Talking of scum, there really is some hateful anti poppy stuff on here this year, which is disheartening, but not representitive of the wider Irish population . . . .

    "They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
    Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
    At the going down of the sun and in the morning
    We will remember them."

    We will remember them.
    Hateful eh? Don't like the reality of your army being pointed out?


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    #1477
    Fratton Fred
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    GRMA wrote: »
    You also get hassled by the continuity RUC for wearing a lily... especially for selling them as I discovered last year. Loads of places you arent allowed wear a lily, and many employers require you wear a poppy

    maybe they were investigating complaints of a Lilly seller acting in a hypocritical manner?


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    #1478
    LordSutch
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    GRMA wrote: »
    Hateful eh? Don't like the reality of your army being pointed out?

    The army I remember are long dead, they fought in WWI & WWII. My granddad was one of them, and I always wear a poppy in his/their memory, and as a result I dont like being called a quisling, scum, or other such terms.


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    #1479
    Death and Taxes
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    GRMA wrote: »
    You also get hassled by the continuity RUC for wearing a lily... especially for selling them as I discovered last year. Loads of places you arent allowed wear a lily, and many employers require you wear a poppy
    Childish post of the day award has to go to that!


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    #1480
    GRMA
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    The army I remember are long dead, they fought in WWI & WWII. My granddad was one of them, and I always wear a poppy in his/their memory, and as a result I dont like being called a quisling, scum, or other such terms.
    My great grandfather served in both world wars, I dont need a poppy that glorifies the entire British army including those who butchered my countrymen to remember him, I visit his grave.


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    #1481
    GRMA
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    WileyCoyote wrote: »
    Childish post of the day award has to go to that!
    Its a term for the remnants of the RUC who are in the PSNI. Most PSNI people you meet on the beat are quite young and very professional, but you come across the odd bigot, hence the term continuity RUC.


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    #1482
    LordSutch
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    GRMA wrote: »
    My great grandfather served in both world wars, I dont need a poppy that glorifies the entire British army including those who butchered my countrymen to remember him, I visit his grave.

    You visit his grave and I wear my poppy, mutual respect then.


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    #1483
    GRMA
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    maybe they were investigating complaints of a Lilly seller acting in a hypocritical manner?
    You still havent pointed out how I'm a hypocrite....

    And FWIW I wasnt selling or even wearing a lily, some of my friends were (they were who I was visiting).


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    #1484
    Death and Taxes
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    GRMA wrote: »
    Its a term for the remnants of the RUC who are in the PSNI. Most PSNI people you meet on the beat are quite young and very professional, but you come across the odd bigot, hence the term continuity RUC.
    I suggest you look back at the context in which you chose to use it then.


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    #1485
    Rascasse
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    GRMA wrote: »
    You also get hassled by the continuity RUC for wearing a lily... especially for selling them as I discovered last year. Loads of places you arent allowed wear a lily, and many employers require you wear a poppy

    Hardly surprising the authorities would take an interest considering people like RSF sell them to raise cash.


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    #1486
    GRMA
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    You visit his grave and I wear my poppy, mutual respect then.
    Probably different in that I think he was wrong to join the BA. I visit it because he was a nice man to my parents when they were in trouble and I take my grandad. Nothing to do with him being a Brit.


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    #1487
    GRMA
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    WileyCoyote wrote: »
    I suggest you look back at the context in which you chose to use it then.
    Nothing wrong with the context I used it in.


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    #1488
    LordSutch
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    GRMA wrote: »
    Probably different in that I think he was wrong to join the BA. I visit it because he was a nice man to my parents when they were in trouble and I take my grandad. Nothing to do with him being a Brit.

    My Granddad was a great man too, so like I say then, mutual respect.

    PS: Whats with Michael D presenting a Laurel Wreath at the poppy day service in St Patricks Cathedral?

    Whats the significance of a wreath made of laurel leaves?


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    #1489
    GRMA
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    My Granddad was a great man too, so like I say then, mutual respect.

    PS: Whats with Michael D presenting a Laurel Wreath at the poppy day service in St Patricks Cathedral?

    Whats the significance of a wreath made of laurel leaves?
    Enda Kenney and Gilmore both left Laural wreaths also. They didnt buy into the poppy nonsense so they left a normal wreath to remember the dead of WW1


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    #1490
    GRMA
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    I see, that's helpful.
    You have a problem with the wreath they left?


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    #1491
    Fratton Fred
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    GRMA wrote: »
    You still havent pointed out how I'm a hypocrite....

    And FWIW I wasnt selling or even wearing a lily, some of my friends were (they were who I was visiting).

    Because it glorifies people who have murdered innocent people. The very thing you complain about the Poppy.


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    #1492
    LordSutch
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    GRMA wrote: »
    You have a problem with the wreath they left?

    I asked a question as to the significance . . .


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    #1493
    GRMA
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Because it glorifies people who have murdered innocent people. The very thing you complain about the Poppy.
    I don't wear a lily?

    I see you've come to the conclusion that the BA are on a par with the IRA, an organization you despise.


    And fwiw the lily is generally confined to remembering 1916, not every member of the IRA since then. A very small minority might wear it for that but that's not it's stated aim and purpose, unlike the poppy which is for every BA guy who died whether in Ireland, Kenya, Iraq or whatever


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    #1494
    Fratton Fred
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    GRMA wrote: »
    I don't wear a lily?

    I see you've come to the conclusion that the BA are on a par with the IRA, an organization you despise.


    And fwiw the lily is generally confined to remembering 1916, not every member of the IRA since then. A very small minority might wear it for that but that's not it's stated aim and purpose, unlike the poppy which is for every BA guy who died whether in Ireland, Kenya, Iraq or whatever

    The Poppy and the Lilly are similar emblems. They remember the good, but also the bad get thrown in as well.

    I suggest you read up a bit more about the Lilly. You yourself said it gives money to the NGA (A great organisation I think you called it). The NGA currently have memorials to people who killed innocents, including the men behind the 1939 bomb in Coventry that killed five people and injured another 72.

    It also commemorates Sean Russell, a man who conspired with the Nazis to invade Ireland, in the name of Irish freedom of course.

    I don't have a problem with people wearing a Lilly, because there is a lot more to it than just the people I mention. I do have a problem with people wearing it and chastising people for wearing the Poppy. That is hypocritical.


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    #1495
    Nodin
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Because it glorifies people who have murdered innocent people. ...........


    It does?
    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    The Poppy and the Lilly are similar emblems. They remember the good, but also the bad get thrown in as well............

    You seem to be equating fighting in a liberation struggle with fighting for an empire Fred.


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    #1496
    Nodin
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    Talking of scum, there really is some hateful anti poppy stuff on here this year, which is disheartening, but not representitive of the wider Irish population . . . .

    .

    Presumably you'd like the them banned, along with various republican views, republican ballads......


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    #1497
    GRMA
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Presumably you'd like the them banned, along with various republican views, republican ballads......
    Of course... the evil wolfe tones playing in a hotel... should be banned


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    #1498
    Fratton Fred
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    Nodin wrote: »
    It does?
    yes, as I have already pointed out.
    Nodin wrote: »
    You seem to be equating fighting in a liberation struggle with fighting for an empire Fred.

    in other words, it is acceptable to kill innocent people if it is in the name of Ireland.

    I mean, after all, what's a few dead Brits :rolleyes:
    GRMA wrote: »
    Of course... the evil wolfe tones playing in a hotel... should be banned

    Nice to see you belittle an act of blatant terrorism.

    http://www.historiccoventry.co.uk/articles/s-shaw.php


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    #1499
    Nodin
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    GRMA wrote: »
    Of course... the evil wolfe tones playing in a hotel... should be banned


    ..thats what he said, essentially.


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    #1500
    summerskin
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    Nodin wrote: »


    ..thats what he said, essentially.

    And you effectively said it was ok for the ira to murder British people.... After all, it was for "liberation". You know, of Northern Ireland where the majority want to stay British. In fact, you could almost call it empire building by the Irish, invading a foreign land and murdering innocents such as those in enniskillen...


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    Nodin
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    summerskin wrote: »
    And you effectively said it was ok for the ira to murder British people.... After all, it was for "liberation". You know, of Northern Ireland where the majority want to stay British. In fact, you could almost call it empire building by the Irish, invading a foreign land and murdering innocents such as those in enniskillen...


    My, we do love to over-speculate and rant, don't we?


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