Rangers FC On Field Gossip & Rumour Thread 2017 Mod Note in OP(Updated 14/08)

Red Crow · 27-10-2012 01:07AM

TheBuilder wrote: »

Alex Thomson, Phil MacGiolla Bhain and his NUJ cronies, really believable stuff.

It's amazing how Strathclyde police, the SFA, Rangers, BBC, STV etc refused to comment or take part in this, not to mention the hoards of journalists from talksport, the Scottish media etc have been lambasting him on twitter for such a ridiculous piece.

He's proven already to be unconvincing, Strathclyde police took no action on his 'threat' claims, waterstones head office had no record of any intimidation from Rangers fans to take a book off the shelves.

As soon as Alex Thomson aligned himself with Phil then all sense if impartiality was gone.

It's interesting to hear both sides. Every club has it's nutters and imbeciles. It's obviously sensationalist but it's hard to mock considering the vague death threats implied.

lubo_moravcik · 27-10-2012 01:59AM

Sorry I got lost earlier. Can I ask, what is it about Charles Green that fills Rangers fans with confidence. What has he done to ensure that the outcome from him will be different to the way the support came and then went for Craig Whyte and Duff and Phelps??
Jelle, you said those questions are being asked, just not in here. Am curious as to what your answers would be as you seem to be asking the questions already.

Don't you think that with a share issue in full swing that he's going to do and say whatever gets people on side to ensure the shares are bought up?
Do you believe his plans for the money that comes in (what are his plans by the way?)
Are you buying any??? I know BBE might get one and EB won't, mainly due to cost which is wholly understandable.

lubo_moravcik · 27-10-2012 02:01AM

Is Charlie Green a pure Walter Mitty?
Would anyone here buy a used car from him??

I think he's at it big time. Yous were warned to be vigilant with Craig Whyte, yous weren't and look what happend.
Yous have been warned to be extra vigilant with anyone after Craig Whyte, yous aren't, wonder what will happen.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 27-10-2012 04:07AM

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

Sorry I got lost earlier. Can I ask, what is it about Charles Green that fills Rangers fans with confidence. What has he done to ensure that the outcome from him will be different to the way the support came and then went for Craig Whyte and Duff and Phelps??
Jelle, you said those questions are being asked, just not in here. Am curious as to what your answers would be as you seem to be asking the questions already.

Don't you think that with a share issue in full swing that he's going to do and say whatever gets people on side to ensure the shares are bought up?
Do you believe his plans for the money that comes in (what are his plans by the way?)
Are you buying any??? I know BBE might get one and EB won't, mainly due to cost which is wholly understandable.

Really I don't get this fill with confidence nonsense the man hasn't done anything untoward up to this point I don't think he has got the full trust of any Rangers fan I doubt he ever will. I don't think anyone in charge will be fully trusted by the vast majority. As for asking about who's buying shares I told as long as I was satisfied with what I was told then I would be buying that still remains the case. EB gave you his reasons but in all honesty you ask the question as though you have a right to know sorry mate you don't what anyone does with their money is their own business and continually asking about their finances is out of order

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 27-10-2012 04:19AM

Eli Manning wrote: »

It's interesting to hear both sides. Every club has it's nutters and imbeciles. It's obviously sensationalist but it's hard to mock considering the vague death threats implied.

That is the problem right there the word VAGUE says it all. Again the question must be asked why no police action and I don't agree with the mind set that says none taken because the police are protecting the supposed victims. That just wouldn't happen if there has been crimes committed the police must charge people as needed. Not only that thd sole fact that so many of the supposed threats have no witnesses makes me wonder about the validity of said victims.

This was in no way a div at your post mate I only quoted it as it was the last one on the subject

TheBuilder · 27-10-2012 06:05AM

Eli Manning wrote: »

It's interesting to hear both sides. Every club has it's nutters and imbeciles. It's obviously sensationalist but it's hard to mock considering the vague death threats implied.

Of course they do and there's no defending any of the muppets who send death threats.

What Thomson has done is completely contradict himself though, there have been no criminal charges brought against anyone for what he has said happened, he bangs on about a 'tiny majority' yet felt the need to have a whole piece dedicated to rangers 'criminal underclass' and we're now the most intimidating supporters in Europe/Britain/whatever.

As I said before, he's gone completely over the top to make Rangers fans out to be monsters, and it's worked given some people's views on it. His work with Phil just panders to certain factions of the Celtic support yet he wonders why he really doesn't get taken all that seriously.

lubo_moravcik · 27-10-2012 10:19AM

I don't care a jot about your finances ffs, all am asking is would you feel confident in giving your hard earned money over to Charles Green? What is he saying he's going to do with the money he gets in and do you believe him??

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 27-10-2012 10:28AM

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

I don't care a jot about your finances ffs, all am asking is would you feel confident in giving your hard earned money over to Charles Green? What is he saying he's going to do with the money he gets in and do you believe him??

No mate you keep asking who is buying them and I don't see why. There would be no point trying to gauge the uptake considering the lack of bears on here. As I have said he has done nothing to make me say no. But I also don't trust him fully I doubt I will ever trust anyone in charge fully again. The one thing I do like is his belief that no one should own more than ten percent never should the clubbe owned by one person ever again. But that is something I felt even early in Murrays corrupt reign.

Jelle1880 · 27-10-2012 10:30AM

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

Sorry I got lost earlier. Can I ask, what is it about Charles Green that fills Rangers fans with confidence. What has he done to ensure that the outcome from him will be different to the way the support came and then went for Craig Whyte and Duff and Phelps??
Jelle, you said those questions are being asked, just not in here. Am curious as to what your answers would be as you seem to be asking the questions already.

Don't you think that with a share issue in full swing that he's going to do and say whatever gets people on side to ensure the shares are bought up?
Do you believe his plans for the money that comes in (what are his plans by the way?)
Are you buying any??? I know BBE might get one and EB won't, mainly due to cost which is wholly understandable.

What I meant with that was for example on FollowFollow there are still people asking questions.

To be fair, the majority of Rangers fans I know seem to trust Green, but there are still some things unclear (as to who the full list of financial backers contains).

The reason ? No idea, I honestly believe it's partly due to the fact that:

1. We still have a club to support, largely thanks to him
2. He goes out of his way to connect with the fans. I know that may seem like a cheap way to get people on your side, but it helps.

As for Thomson's piece: What a ****ing joke.

The reason why nobody credible wanted to work with him is simple: They know what he is and they know his bias.

He was told to go back to his house and secure the smallest room in the downstairs area with the smallest windows. He was told that he – and he alone – must pick up all mail and move it to this room. He – and he alone – must open it.

He was told to be wary of any jiffy bags. But even normal envelopes should not be opened in the usual casual fashion because of the danger of razor blades being taped inside to cut him – and razor blades contaminated with anything from faeces through to HIV to ricin.

Seriously, razor blades with HIV ? Maybe Thomson could get a quick biology course, because that doesn't even make sense.

Good read from Bill McMurdo about Thomson's latest rant.

http://www.thecoplandroad.org/2012/10/toxic-tales.html

edit: I won't get one either (yet), they simply cost too much for me.

lubo_moravcik · 27-10-2012 10:49AM

Apologies then, I never meant to ask re shares in such a way, was just curious as to who would hand their money over to him, I'm genuinely not asking or wanting to know about anyone's finances.

Cheers for the other reply Jelle, the thing with not naming backers would be a cause for concern if there's nothing to hide. I suppose you have to have someone with something to believe in, but after seeing the way the club has went in the last year then I'd be skeptical and questioning every move from someone who has just stepped in, took over the reins and is starting a share issue.

bobbysands81 · 27-10-2012 10:59AM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Adam had a contract with the old company, not the new company.

Precisely.

How, after that comment, can you continue with your insistent charade that 'Rangers' are not a new club?

BDO will put an end to the charade.

Jelle1880 · 27-10-2012 11:18AM

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

Apologies then, I never meant to ask re shares in such a way, was just curious as to who would hand their money over to him, I'm genuinely not asking or wanting to know about anyone's finances.

Cheers for the other reply Jelle, the thing with not naming backers would be a cause for concern if there's nothing to hide. I suppose you have to have someone with something to believe in, but after seeing the way the club has went in the last year then I'd be skeptical and questioning every move from someone who has just stepped in, took over the reins and is starting a share issue.

The thing is, I'm not even that bothered about him not revealing all his backers.

Example: When the consortium involving McColl were in the media one of the people involved was forced to step aside, because some idiot who had financial gains (I'm not sure how it all worked again) complained to his superior.

People don't always need to know everything, especially when business is concerned.

Fuhrer · 27-10-2012 11:26AM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Seriously, razor blades with HIV ? Maybe Thomson could get a quick biology course, because that doesn't even make sense.

Yeah, really.

I know the police have to have the utmost caution with these things but once the blood is "dead" or dried, so is the virus.

bobbysands81 · 27-10-2012 11:44AM

TheBuilder wrote: »

Alex Thomson, Phil MacGiolla Bhain and his NUJ cronies, really believable stuff.

It's amazing how Strathclyde police, the SFA, Rangers, BBC, STV etc refused to comment or take part in this, not to mention the hoards of journalists from talksport, the Scottish media etc have been lambasting him on twitter for such a ridiculous piece.

He's proven already to be unconvincing, Strathclyde police took no action on his 'threat' claims, waterstones head office had no record of any intimidation from Rangers fans to take a book off the shelves.

As soon as Alex Thomson aligned himself with Phil then all sense if impartiality was gone.

No one likes us we don't care eh?

Strangely you should be thanking these men, not pilloring them.

bobbysands81 · 27-10-2012 11:48AM

Eli Manning wrote: »

It's interesting to hear both sides. Every club has it's nutters and imbeciles. It's obviously sensationalist but it's hard to mock considering the vague death threats implied.

Imagine if an EPL boss was sent viable devices in the post, imagine he was physically assaulted and a plethora of death threats were issued against him culminating in him needing 24hour police protection... I'd hardly call that 'sensationalist'.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 27-10-2012 11:50AM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

No one likes us we don't care eh?

Strangely you should be thanking these men, not pilloring them.

Yeah right Bobby we will thank a man who has lied about our club for years I mean we are supposed to thank a man who told us how his 8 year old daughter was scared at a Rangers Tic game when TFS was sung when in fact she was 14 also a man that said singing about killing a Rangers player was OK while the famine song was wrong a man who for some reason has changed his name three times a man who classed us as beasts.
No chance

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 27-10-2012 11:51AM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Imagine if an EPL boss was sent viable devices in the post, imagine he was physically assaulted and a plethora of death threats were issued against him culminating in him needing 24hour police protection... I'd hardly call that 'sensationalist'.

That was dealt with though IMO not strongly enough tell me Bobby why are all these people denying his rant

Jelle1880 · 27-10-2012 12:01PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

Yeah, really.

I know the police have to have the utmost caution with these things but once the blood is "dead" or dried, so is the virus.

Not to mention that according to him police advised that person to go home and open the packages himself.

Peppa Pig · 27-10-2012 12:03PM

I can't believe that Alex Thompson is label as unconvincing, he is the chief news reporter for channel 4 news, one of the most respected news outlets in the UK.
The QC guy is presumably making it all up to annoy Rangers fans as well.
To claim its all nonsense because there are no criminal convictions is laughable. He played a podcast of Rangers fans organising a campaign against the publisher.
Even Charles Green - the owner said he had death threats from Rangers fans. Was he lying?
The scottish media don't believe it. For a crowd that in the last 2 years has said "there is no tax case", "there is a tax case but Rangers will win it", " the liability rests with Murray", "Craig Whyte is a billionaire","Rangers will never go into administration", "Rangers will never go into liquidation".

Everyone is entitled to believe what they want, but when there are 2 Rangers fans in jail for sending bombs to Neil Lennon, here must be some truth in these allegations. It's not heads in the sand, nor paranoia, its all a big conspiracy by Alex Thompson.

Whatever you believe, from a distance its great car crash entertainment

Dempsey · 27-10-2012 12:04PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Not to mention that according to him police advised that person to go home and open the packages himself.

Strange alright but was he suppose to call in the army to do controlled explosions on all his junk mail?

Jelle1880 · 27-10-2012 12:09PM

Peppa Pig wrote: »

I can't believe that Alex Thompson is label as unconvincing, he is the chief news reporter for channel 4 news, one of the most respected news outlets in the UK.
The QC guy is presumably making it all up to annoy Rangers fans as well.
To claim its all nonsense because there are no criminal convictions is laughable. He played a podcast of Rangers fans organising a campaign against the publisher.
Even Charles Green - the owner said he had death threats from Rangers fans. Was he lying?
The scottish media don't believe it. For a crowd that in the last 2 years has said "there is no tax case", "there is a tax case but Rangers will win it", " the liability rests with Murray", "Craig Whyte is a billionaire","Rangers will never go into administration", "Rangers will never go into liquidation".

Everyone is entitled to believe what they want, but when there are 2 Rangers fans in jail for sending bombs to Neil Lennon, here must be some truth in these allegations. It's not heads in the sand, nor paranoia, its all a big conspiracy by Alex Thompson.

Whatever you believe, from a distance its great car crash entertainment

Sounds like you haven't got a clue what you're on about, but that could just be me.

Thomson had a good reputation for his war reporting, but the way he has behaved during this situation is nothing short of a joke.

He constantly looks at it with a biased view and makes up stories as he goes along.

Depsey: The standard procedure when police suspect you may receive dangerous items in the post is not to let you open it yourself, what they would do is inspect the item(s) received.

I call bull**** (again) on Thomson's behalf.

Peppa Pig · 27-10-2012 12:12PM

Tell me - did Charles Green make up his story about receiving death threats ?

Dempsey · 27-10-2012 12:15PM

How can you can bull**** on Thompson when its yer man that claimed thats what the police told him. Unless the police come out and categorically state that they never told him to do that you are clutching at straws. They were minding how many people because of death threats at the time, 30+?, limited resources etc, you think that they have time to be opening everyones mail?

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 27-10-2012 12:15PM

Peppa Pig wrote: »

I can't believe that Alex Thompson is label as unconvincing, he is the chief news reporter for channel 4 news, one of the most respected news outlets in the UK.
The QC guy is presumably making it all up to annoy Rangers fans as well.
To claim its all nonsense because there are no criminal convictions is laughable. He played a podcast of Rangers fans organising a campaign against the publisher.
Even Charles Green - the owner said he had death threats from Rangers fans. Was he lying?
The scottish media don't believe it. For a crowd that in the last 2 years has said "there is no tax case", "there is a tax case but Rangers will win it", " the liability rests with Murray", "Craig Whyte is a billionaire","Rangers will never go into administration", "Rangers will never go into liquidation".

Everyone is entitled to believe what they want, but when there are 2 Rangers fans in jail for sending bombs to Neil Lennon, here must be some truth in these allegations. It's not heads in the sand, nor paranoia, its all a big conspiracy by Alex Thompson.

Whatever you believe, from a distance its great car crash entertainment

He is unconvincing simply because he has aligned himself with a man that is a proven lier and bigot. Wow so because he is in a position of power he would never abuse it he won't be the first or last to take a route that brings him his chance of fame. Again I ask why are all these journalist saying its nonsense that they were never threatened and sorry its not the fact there have been no convictions it's the fact the police didn't even take it that far

Jelle1880 · 27-10-2012 12:17PM

Peppa Pig wrote: »

Tell me - did Charles Green make up his story about receiving death threats ?

"The reality is there were a few occasions in the very early days where I was clearly not the flavour of the month among some sections of the fanbase and I was subject to taunts and abuse.
"However, that was short-lived and the fans are now behind me and the board and we have all moved on together.

Green never said he received death threats, that was the police.

Dempsey: You honestly think police will advise someone to open their own post when he has supposedly received dangerous packages, simply because they 'don't have resources' ?

They have a whole division dealing with those things.
If true that's surely cause for an overhaul of the police forces ?

Unless of course it's bollocks and it never happened.

I know where my money is on.

Dempsey · 27-10-2012 12:21PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Green never said he received death threats, that was the police.

Dempsey: You honestly think police will advise someone to open their own post when he has supposedly received dangerous packages, simply because they 'don't have resources' ?

They have a whole division dealing with those things.

No, Charles Green said he got death threats. Do I need to find an article that quotes the man himself to jog your memory? You really need to stop airbrushing Rangers recent past, its tiresome.

You find out if the police told him that or not at the time before making your grand claims. It wouldnt surprise me if police advised him to open his mail in the bathroom. I dont think he was referring to packages, just suspicious mail.

TheBuilder · 27-10-2012 12:31PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Imagine if an EPL boss was sent viable devices in the post, imagine he was physically assaulted and a plethora of death threats were issued against him culminating in him needing 24hour police protection... I'd hardly call that 'sensationalist'.

Oh Bobby, if you want to drag up old stuff about Lennon then get your facts right, it was pointed out during the trial by police that the devices were not viable. (Not that makes it okay to send them, just stating a fact).

All of you carry on your silly little chat though, I'm sure you'll continue to believe Rangers fans are big bad people be sued Akex Thomson and Phil and other biased NUJ guys said so.

He's even on twitter now talking about how Strathclyde special branch of details of his threats etc, they don't even exist!

He's also been proven a liar about Andrew Dickson, he says he's spoken to rangers press office in the last 24 hours about threats to Andrew Dickson (threats that don't exist, someone simply told him he was an utter joke), yet Andrew Dickson himself has just said he was never threatened and Thomson hasn't spoken to Rangers press office since last week!

He's a liar and an utter moron looking for a reaction.

I really don't know why Rangers fans bother with this forum, from now on I won't be.

Peppa Pig · 27-10-2012 12:43PM

Dempsey wrote: »

No, Charles Green said he got death threats. Do I need to find an article that quotes the man himself to jog your memory? You really need to stop airbrushing Rangers recent past, its tiresome.

Link of death threats here

Charles Green wrote:

Rangers chief Charles Green says sorry to fans for death threats claim.
Rangers chief executive Charles Green has apologised to the club's fans after claiming he had received death threats during his early days in charge.

I see the article has the old "world record for a fourth tier match as well"

Not even a record in Britain, never mind the world.

So if all these claims are nonsense then Green is a liar as well.

Jelle1880 · 27-10-2012 12:51PM

Dempsey wrote: »

No, Charles Green said he got death threats. Do I need to find an article that quotes the man himself to jog your memory? You really need to stop airbrushing Rangers recent past, its tiresome.

You find out if the police told him that or not at the time before making your grand claims. It wouldnt surprise me if police advised him to open his mail in the bathroom. I dont think he was referring to packages, just suspicious mail.

Suspicious packages, mail,... all gets treated the same.
Good laugh though, 'airbrushing Rangers recent past' from someone who is desperately attempting to make Thomson's ridiculous claims credible.

As for an article ?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/scottishnews/4602627/Beware-of-bomb-in-post.html

IBROX chief Charles Green was warned by cops to be on his guard against deadly mail bombs amid fears he could be targeted by crazed Rangers fans.

Amid fears, did you see that little piece of text too ?
So they thought he may receive death threats, there is nothing to suggest he actually did receive them.

Abuse =/= death threats.
And yes, he did receive plenty of the first.

Peppa: Tell me then, what other UK team has that record for a fourth tier game ?

Peppa Pig · 27-10-2012 01:19PM

Rangers' 2-0 victory over Queen's Park on Saturday, when they leapfrogged their Glasgow rivals to go top of the league was watched by a crowd of 49,463.
Green has been delighted with the big crowds turning up to watch Rangers
That was hailed by the club as a world record attendance for a fixture in the fourth tier of any league

League 2 playoff 2007
2007 League 2 playoff in England had an attendance of 61,589. Bristol Rovers beat Shrewsbury Town.

Santa Cruz attendances in Brazilian fourth tier
59,966 for Santa Cruz v Treze.

Now before you go on a rant about a playoff match Rangers say for a fourth tier game

world record for a fourth tier game

- the playoff is a fourth tier game in a league.

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