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    #782
    ahnowbrowncow
    Registered Users Posts: 2,565 ✭✭✭ahnowbrowncow


    It would seem that an assault on a woman is worse than an assault on a man, according to some posts.

    I think that is a sexist view that hasn't really been challenged, just thought I'd highlight it


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    #783
    The King of Moo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    ahnowbrowncow wrote: »
    It would seem that an assault on a woman is worse than an assault on a man, according to some posts.

    I think that is a sexist view that hasn't really been challenged, just thought I'd highlight it

    Can you show us some of these posts?


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    #784
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,912 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    ahnowbrowncow wrote: »
    It would seem that an assault on a woman is worse than an assault on a man, according to some posts.

    I think that is a sexist view that hasn't really been challenged, just thought I'd highlight it

    Have you any examples?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #785
    Tombi!
    Registered Users Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    ahnowbrowncow wrote: »
    It would seem that an assault on a woman is worse than an assault on a man, according to some posts.

    I think that is a sexist view that hasn't really been challenged, just thought I'd highlight it

    In what way? If you're on about sexual assault then I'd wager it's more common towards women and I can understand why it would been seen as "worse". If you mean violent thing like a beaten then I've seen people disgusted at the attacker, regardless of gender.
    Other than that, I'm not sure what you mean.

    But yes, as asked, examples would be nice. :)


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    #786
    Quorum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 474 ✭✭Quorum


    Great to see nonsense like this quickly dealt with:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056757835


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    #787
    LoLth
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 10,339 Mod ✭✭✭✭LoLth


    yup. a 5 minute trunaround from train wreck initiation to meltdown avoidance is a great response time for any forum on boards and better than any other forum I've been a member of in the past.

    just wait until were perfect the KINOIP* system. that'll put an end to it once and for all.



    *kinoip (kick in nads over IP) patent pending....


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    #788
    humbert
    Registered Users Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭humbert


    Quorum wrote: »
    Great to see nonsense like this quickly dealt with:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056757835

    Good call there but I have to say it bugs the shit out of me the way whoopsadaisydoodles locks threads she sees as casting women in a negative light without explanation.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056758267

    Pretty benign stuff from a user that's been around a fair while. It happened before but I've no way to search for thread locked by a certain mod.

    EDIT: I'm not saying it was the wrong call but it just shows a little respect for the posters to give an explanation.


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    #789
    Tombi!
    Registered Users Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    humbert wrote: »
    Good call there but I have to say it bugs the shit out of me the way whoopsadaisydoodles locks threads she sees as casting women in a negative light without explanation.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056758267

    Pretty benign stuff from a user that's been around a fair while. It happened before but I've no way to search for thread locked by a certain mod.

    EDIT: I'm not saying it was the wrong call but it just shows a little respect for the posters to give an explanation.

    You don't need to give an explanation. And I can tell you why it was locked, because it was another "women are stupid" bull from someone acting like a dicktit (I like that one, thanks Millie).


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    #790
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Respect posters right to be misogynists???


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    #791
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,098 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Brutal Deluxe wrote: »
    omeone acting like a dicktit (I like that one, thanks Millie).
    *ahem* Dicktit(c) Wibbs (tm)
    :mad::D

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #792
    Daveysil15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭Daveysil15


    Wibbs wrote: »
    *ahem* Dicktit(c) Wibbs (tm)
    :mad::D

    A new suggestion for websters perhaps? :D


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    #793
    Tombi!
    Registered Users Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    Wibbs wrote: »
    *ahem* Dicktit(c) Wibbs (tm)
    :mad::D

    I thought it was Millie that said it...
    Well look who's the dicktit now! (me) :pac:


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    #794
    LoLth
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 10,339 Mod ✭✭✭✭LoLth


    why do I have a Peter Gabriel song in my head now?

    might as well face it....


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    #795
    mackg
    Registered Users Posts: 3,938 ✭✭✭mackg


    Surely a Dicktit song would be more appropriate?




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    #796
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Brutal Deluxe wrote: »
    You don't need to give an explanation. And I can tell you why it was locked, because it was another "women are stupid" bull from someone acting like a dicktit (I like that one, thanks Millie).

    The whole idea behind this, was to make AH approachable for new users. Wasn't it?

    Granted this is mainly happening with people who have posted more regularly on AH, but how is a new user meant to know what "Infractions will follow" or "Sigh" refer to?

    Regular users may tire of those threads. Mods may even be exhausted from seeing them a lot. A new user is not going to know of that history.


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    #797
    Tombi!
    Registered Users Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    The whole idea behind this, was to make AH approachable for new users. Wasn't it?

    Granted this is mainly happening with people who have posted more regularly on AH, but how is a new user meant to know what "Infractions will follow" or "Sigh" refer to?

    Regular users may tire of those threads. Mods may even be exhausted from seeing them a lot. A new user is not going to know of that history.

    He's been here since 2006.
    Sigh is an obvious one for people who speak English.
    And infractions are explained in the FAQ/newbie forum you got told about when you registered, no?


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    #798
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Brutal Deluxe wrote: »
    He's been here since 2006.

    That guy isn't relevant. It's the person who hasn't or will just of registered that is relevant.
    Brutal Deluxe wrote: »
    Sigh is an obvious one for people who speak English.

    Yes, it means 1 of 2 things:

    - I'm tired of this
    - I'm not bothered to deal with this

    Neither are final comments that deal with the matter with any clarity.
    Brutal Deluxe wrote: »
    And infractions are explained in the FAQ/newbie forum you got told about when you registered, no?
    That doesn't really excuse the lack of detail when closing a thread. If there's going to be final commentary, it's little or no use without clarity. Particularly when this whole thing is on the back of an issue driven by making AH more approachable. The mods then will also need to be seen to act in somewhat of a responsible and clear manner.


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    #799
    Tombi!
    Registered Users Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    Oh, sorry. I thought you meant the OP was a new user. In that case a newbie is confused they just PM a mod or ask on the newbie forum. Plenty of off topic questions on the newbie forum and they get told where to go to get help.
    I'm sure something as simple as "oh it's against the rules, read the charter; but if you're unsure just PM the mod" isn't that hard to understand.

    It's not even about a lack of detail. Let's say I just signed up. I know that sexism is against the rules in AH (and site wide, I think).
    I see a thread about how women's logic is wrong and it's locked.
    I think it's safe to say that with the exception of someone very new to forums that it's obvious it was breaking the rules.

    It can also mean "sigh, you should know not to do this".
    There doesn't need to be a great detailed explanation. At least not if you realize you're actually mean to read the charters and have the common sense to understand that moaning about women's logic isn't really a good idea.


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    #800
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    If they use nonsense remarks as closing comments for an issue they thought was serious, they aren't really showing it to be as serious as it's considered. If the mods want to change the perception, they need to carry it as well. That's all I'm saying and I recon it's the same for the other guy who questioned the closing comments earlier.


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    #801
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 50,630 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Fair point Drav.


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    #802
    Tombi!
    Registered Users Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    If they use nonsense remarks as closing comments for an issue they thought was serious, they aren't really showing it to be as serious as it's considered. If the mods want to change the perception, they need to carry it as well. That's all I'm saying and I recon it's the same for the other guy who questioned the closing comments earlier.

    Okay, look at it from this point of view: yore ma.
    I say that once, not annoying.
    It gets said repeatedly. We're sick of it so it gets added to the "don't say list".

    It's the same with idiotic comments about women having different logic and other stuff. It's not as if a user can't see it and PM the mod in question


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    #803
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 50,630 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nah, he is right BD.

    If someone (other than the OP) doesn't know why it's closed, they won't understand why the can't start a similar thread. We can use it to educate newer users.

    It's a good point and I'll take it on board.


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    #804
    Tombi!
    Registered Users Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Nah, he is right BD.

    If someone (other than the OP) doesn't know why it's closed, they won't understand why the can't start a similar thread. We can use it to educate newer users.

    It's a good point and I'll take it on board.

    Yeah but surely the point of reading the charter comes into question?
    I get that I (and a good few others) know off hand from the whole debacle and debate that it's being clamped on more regularly but wasn't it added to the charter?


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    #805
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 50,630 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeh so at very least we can refer them to the charter where relevant :)


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    #806
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,185 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    I'd just like to point out that Robert Palmer sang Addicted to Love.


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    #807
    LoLth
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 10,339 Mod ✭✭✭✭LoLth


    I wouldnt mind but I actually initially thought "peter gabriel" and then looked it up to make sure, saw it was Robert Palmer and then went and typed peter gabriel anyway....


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    #808
    Daveysil15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭Daveysil15


    Sexism against men is ‘fun’, and ‘light-hearted’ …whilst sexism against women is considered misogynistic and politically incorrect.

    It is perfectly acceptable to make general slurs about men that could never be made about an ethnic group and certainly not about women.


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    #809
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Daveysil15 wrote: »
    Sexism against men is ‘fun’, and ‘light-hearted’ …whilst sexism against women is considered misogynistic and politically incorrect.

    It is perfectly acceptable to make general slurs about men that could never be made about an ethnic group and certainly not about women.

    Have you any examples on boards? Did you report them?


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    #810
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,912 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Daveysil15 wrote: »
    Sexism against men is ‘fun’, and ‘light-hearted’ …whilst sexism against women is considered misogynistic and politically incorrect.

    It is perfectly acceptable to make general slurs about men that could never be made about an ethnic group and certainly not about women.
    What are you talking about? links maybe?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #811
    Daveysil15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭Daveysil15


    efb wrote: »
    Have you any examples on boards? Did you report them?

    I don’t think it would make much difference. Unlike sexist comments about women, misandrous comments seem to be applauded.


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