March For Choice 29th Sept 2pm the Spire.

Millicent · 03-09-2012 04:37PM

PucaMama wrote: »

did i say that :rolleyes: dont think so.

they should use the contraceptives.

prevention is better than cure.

I'd advise you to have a contingency plan if you think that contraception is a fail-safe. That's a really foolhardy, ill-advised attitude to take.

candy-gal1 · 03-09-2012 04:37PM

I may pop along to this to show my support, tbh we should have that choice in this country by now like! If you dont want to have one, no-one is or should ever force you to, but it goes the other way too, i wouldnt judge anyone for having an abortion as its not an easy decision so they must have had their own good reasons.

And yes I think i do want kids at some stage in my life, not for quite a few years or so though, but if i, hypathetically, fell pregnant and my life or the life of the child was in danger etc then i would definitly at least discuss it in a black and white way anyway.
We really do have to stop this catholic guilt thing and this "its the "right" thing to do, i have to take responsability even if i truly dont want to" attitude, all it does is make people resent their kids after a while, and i never want to do that to mine if i have any, I only ever want them to be wanted and loved coming into this world, theres too much crap about already really.

PucaMama · 03-09-2012 04:37PM

Sharrow wrote: »

All of which are hormonal contraception and not suitable for every woman.

I've got teens and the sex ed which they are given in schools is limited and does not go into contraceptives. There is no national comprehensive mandatory health based sex education program in this country.

Huzzah for you, just as well you can use hormonal contraception and never had a conflict of medication or got sick or had the runs and so ended up getting pregnant. Try and think beyond yourself and have some compassion.

Stop trying to paint women who end up in a crises pregnancy situation as stupid or reckless.

you do realise its also a parents job to educate children about sex??
just so you no, i can use CERTAIN hormonal contraceptives and had both conflicting medicines and an upset stomach, i just pay attention to the risks.
isnt there a coil with no hormones in it? and female condoms etc

Millicent · 03-09-2012 04:38PM

OldNotWIse wrote: »

No. You left out "pro life".

Though perhaps "anti choice" could be accepted if you had some kind of small print stating that the "choice" element refers to the fact that the defencless foetus actually, has none. There, fixed that for ya.

By your definition, all pro-choice people are also pro-death. See how silly that sounds?

OldNotWIse · 03-09-2012 04:39PM

Millicent wrote: »

By your definition, all pro-choice people are also pro-death. See how silly that sounds?

As in pro-death for the unborn child? Yes. Well done nothing gets past you, does it.

Wont be there. Hope it rains etc etc oh and no I wont be joining any "opposition" rally either because frankly, I believe...it'll never happen

Bye Bye

PucaMama · 03-09-2012 04:40PM

Millicent wrote: »

I'd advise you to have a contingency plan if you think that contraception is a fail-safe. That's a really foolhardy, ill-advised attitude to take.

:rolleyes: if it was that unsafe would it be so popular?

Millicent · 03-09-2012 04:43PM

OldNotWIse wrote: »

As in pro-death for the unborn child? Yes. Well done nothing gets past you, does it.

Wont be there. Hope it rains etc etc oh and no I wont be joining any "opposition" rally either because frankly, I believe...it'll never happen Bye Bye

I'm so sad you won't be there. Sounds like you would have been a compassionate, logical addition to the day. Ta-ra now.

PucaMama wrote: »

:rolleyes: if it was that unsafe would it be so popular?

Seriously? Are you seriously that naive? You're asking why is contraception so popular as a reason why it doesn't fail?

Morag · 03-09-2012 04:44PM

PucaMama wrote: »

you do realise its also a parents job to educate children about sex??

Yep and I make sure mine know all they need to, but many parents
to know have the knowledge or skills to inform their kids well enough and the program which was created to help them cant' be distributed via the majority of schools in the country.

PucaMama wrote: »

just so you no, i can use CERTAIN hormonal contraceptives and had both conflicting medicines and an upset stomach, i just pay attention to the risks.

Good for you.

PucaMama wrote: »

isnt there a coil with no hormones in it?

Again not suitable for every woman.

PucaMama wrote: »

and female condoms etc

Which have a 21% typical use failure rate which can result in pregnancy.

Contraception is not 100% for every woman and then there are planned pregnancies were it turns out that the developing fetus as a condition incompatible with life or where there is a dire risk to the woman's life.

So while an ounce of prevention is better then a pound of cure,
contraception is on the cure all you seem to think it is.

PucaMama · 03-09-2012 04:48PM

Millicent wrote: »

I'm so sad you won't be there. Sounds like you would have been a compassionate, logical addition to the day. Ta-ra now.

Seriously? Are you seriously that naive? You're asking why is contraception so popular as a reason why it doesn't fail?

im disagreeing with how much you think it fails. it doesnt fail so often if you take it right.

PucaMama · 03-09-2012 04:49PM

Sharrow wrote: »

Yep and I make sure mine know all they need to, but many parents
to know have the knowledge or skills to inform their kids well enough and the program which was created to help them cant' be distributed via the majority of schools in the country.

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im sure they can get books and talk between themselves on how to explain to their children.

Millicent · 03-09-2012 04:51PM

PucaMama wrote: »

im disagreeing with how much you think it fails. it doesnt fail so often if you take it right.

The medical world doesn't agree with you. Here is a chart that disagrees with you. Here's good auld Wiki.

I am very careful with contraception and have never had an unwanted pregnancy but am aware enough of the risks to realise that some of that is pure dumb luck, not because I'm more careful than anyone else.

Morag · 03-09-2012 04:51PM

Even if you take it right the pill has a typical failure rate of 8%.
That's a fact and really as has been pointed out to you your argument is moot
you are not every woman and not every woman can take the pill.
I would suggest you go and do some research on the effectiveness of the differing types of contraception.

PucaMama · 03-09-2012 04:54PM

its not "dumb luck" its medication doing its job.

Millicent · 03-09-2012 04:55PM

PucaMama wrote: »

its not "dumb luck" its medication doing its job.

Oh for the love of God, did you even read either link or are you just putting your fingers in your ears now? What of the fail rates for perfect use?

Lyaiera · 03-09-2012 04:55PM

PucaMama wrote: »

its not "dumb luck" its medication doing its job.

That's what these nice people are pointing out to you. It doesn't always do its job.

Morag · 03-09-2012 04:56PM

Lets not let certain people derail the thread and get it closed.

After the March there will be a couple of events and gigs on.
As soon as I have more info I will post it.

PucaMama · 03-09-2012 04:59PM

Millicent wrote: »

Oh for the love of God, did you even read either link or are you just putting your fingers in your ears now? What of the fail rates for perfect use?

fail rates for perfect use is normal. every contraceptive has that. just not to afraid of that myself. chances are not high.

Millicent · 03-09-2012 05:02PM

PucaMama wrote: »

fail rates for perfect use is normal. every contraceptive has that. just not to afraid of that myself. chances are not high.

They're high enough for some contraceptives. Again, I asked you in the other thread and you avoided the question, do we decide all of life's serious issues based on what you're not afraid of? Because you'd be okay with a child in that situation, every other woman in Ireland should be?

PucaMama · 03-09-2012 05:08PM

Millicent wrote: »

They're high enough for some contraceptives. Again, I asked you in the other thread and you avoided the question, do we decide all of life's serious issues based on what you're not afraid of? Because you'd be okay with a child in that situation, every other woman in Ireland should be?

if they dont want pregnancy and cant use contraceptives or dont trust them enough then sex should be off the menu. its that simple.

Morag · 03-09-2012 05:08PM

PucaMama wrote: »

if they dont want pregnancy and cant use contraceptives or dont trust them enough then sex should be off the menu. its that simple.

Again the myth that women that end up in crises pregnancy are stupid or reckless.

Lyaiera · 03-09-2012 05:09PM

PucaMama wrote: »

if they dont want pregnancy and cant use contraceptives or dont trust them enough then sex should be off the menu. its that simple.

Why?

Millicent · 03-09-2012 05:10PM

PucaMama wrote: »

if they dont want pregnancy and cant use contraceptives or dont trust them enough then sex should be off the menu. its that simple.

So it is a "You made your bed, now lie in it" attitude you have then?

ETA: What if they DO use contraceptives?

PucaMama · 03-09-2012 05:11PM

Lyaiera wrote: »

Why?

because its the responsible and reasonable thing to do?

my contraceptive has 0.3% chance of failure. tiny chance.

Millicent · 03-09-2012 05:13PM

PucaMama wrote: »

because its the responsible and reasonable thing to do?

my contraceptive has 0.3% chance of failure. tiny chance.

That's in perfect use. 8 per cent for typical users.

Morag · 03-09-2012 05:14PM

https://www.facebook.com/shareyour.abortionstory

Another pro choice action aimed at debunking abortion myths.

shareyourabortionstory@gmail.com started out as a knee jerk reaction to the infamous "abortion tears her life apart" poster campaign that youth defence ran recently. The aim of this project is to normalise and destigmatise abortion within Irish culture. With a registered 4000 women travelling to the UK every year there are a lot of stories out there waiting to be shared.

They have printed stories and are looking for people to help distribute them and stories will be also published online. If you want to get involved or share your story contact shareyourabortionstory@gmail.com .

Lyaiera · 03-09-2012 05:14PM

PucaMama wrote: »

because its the responsible and reasonable thing to do?

my contraceptive has 0.3% chance of failure. tiny chance.

I don't understand how abstaining from sex is a responsible thing? And it's certainly not reasonable to abstain from sex when, as you said the risk of pregnancy is so low and if those measures fail there's sound medical measures to stop the pregnancy.

Fenian Army · 03-09-2012 05:15PM

Why not put "pro life" in your poll rather than "anti choice"? Seems senseless to have it loaded like that if you want an accurate poll

(I say the same if a pro life person set up a reverse tread and had "anti life" as an option)

Scarinae · 03-09-2012 05:16PM

I would definitely go to this if I was in Dublin! I hope that it goes well.

I've posted it before on boards, but this is an excellent piece from the Irish Times sharing stories of abortion from people who have actually experienced it - the huge variety of stories and experiences really shows that the circumstances that lead people to abortion are not as simple as some anti-abortionists make them out to be.

PucaMama · 03-09-2012 05:19PM

Millicent wrote: »

That's in perfect use. 8 per cent for typical users.

i use the injection. not much chance for inperfect use.

Morag · 03-09-2012 05:19PM

Fenian Army wrote: »

Why not put "pro life" in your poll rather than "anti choice"? Seems senseless to have it loaded like that if you want an accurate poll

(I say the same if a pro life person set up a reverse tread and had "anti life" as an option)

Nah they don't say anti life they say pro aborts, it's how you spot a YD member.

It's the pro choice numbers I was interested in and only put in an option for those who are not pro choice so that they did have an option and would not try and derail the thread.

March For Choice 29th Sept 2pm the Spire.

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