Value based property tax?

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

In fairness, I think you may be incorrect about this. I don't recall anyone saying that people would be obliged to sell their homes. The only thing that's been suggested to date by the government is that they may get a court order for an attachment to someone's earnings if they refuse to pay.

Colloquially speaking, Vlad.

Biggins wrote: »

I will hopefully say that in some small way, I helped to expose the excesses of those that was taking the piss while telling us at the same time to cough -up - if only to also help pay for their extravagant living.

"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" eh?

You can watch the watchers all you like, but have you ever come up with a single solution in your 31,000 posts here, and god knows how many else in other Irish discussion media?

Or has your every post been a populist and self aggrandising whinge about what's wrong, and all without a single answer to the problem at hand?

You'd fit in well with Sinn Féin, populist negativity is their stock in trade too, and they're pretty much the only party you haven't been a member of, supported, or associated with during your time here on boards.

The incumbents in government should be criticised, we all know that-but is there any chance you could, for once, come up with an answer instead of a question?

Biggins wrote: »

I've offer many a suggestion in my posts but them rather than having a go at those exposing something they consider equally important and also those raising questions - how about you too offer material to boards,ie than just
moaning about what you see as just moaners!

Quoting this, cos you'll probably edit it in a minute, which means I'll have to edit mine, ad infinitum...

Please, point to a few suggestions. All I've seen from you, on here, and in your various sock puppets on sites such as TheJournal, is negativity. It's easy to point out the problems; the natural resources issue should have been handled with a greater emphasis on revenue return while encouraging exploration, the property tax should have been nailed down, and efficiencies in local government dealt with first, rather than a blanket enforcement of a flat rate fee, and so on.

See, I managed to point out two of the key problems in this thread, and answer them, all in a single sentence. I have yet to see you do that in thirty odd thousand late night sessions of sniping.

professore wrote: »

Sell it ?



Right, professore, just for the purpose of the lesson, say, we the home owners of Ireland do not care about what we stand to lose due to our homes being in negative equity, so we sell. Now, stay with me here. We will go one further and say, even the home owners that are not in negative sell up just because they/ we are not happy with the govt. plan to impose a property tax, water tax etc on us, can you see the respective LAs being able to cope with housing us, bearing in mind that there are approximately two and a half million home owners in the country. So, really, are we not doing the country a great service by borrowing a sh1t load of money and endeavering to purchase a home, even though it may take some of us a lifetime, also, do you seriously not think that it is enough of an effort on our part.

Biggins wrote: »

If you spent less time just posting raving inaccuracies* and bother to do your own homework instead of expecting everyone to do it for you (a typical government attitude by the way in some cases), you might find my often suggestions - its not too hard, there is even one or two in this thread.
Wants to borrow my glasses?

No, I don't wants to, thanks. I can see quite goodly.

Biggins wrote: »

Meanwhile rather than this become a bitch-fest and involving person attacks as you it appears wish to start, I'm moving on.

No "person" attacks here. But if you're going to throw shit about indiscriminately, some of it will invariably come back in your direction. One thing I've noticed about you, you are a prolific reader, and something of a news addict. Which is good. It's what you do with those accumulated nuggets is the thing. Most people, unlike you or me, will parse over articles and topical occurrences. If you're going to put so much effort into creating blogs, an online presence, and all that-would it not make more sense to be constructive, rather than a hundred percent critical? When put on the spot, you lapse into vague soundbites rather than more definitive answers, which you should be well capable of, given how much you immerse yourself in current affairs.

Biggins wrote: »

* NOTE:

Aaa... actually no - I've been a member of two parties - that all.
One I left after I became aware how corrupt it was - and one I am still presently in.
...But feel free to post more inaccuracies if you feel it helps your attacking. Carry on!

Ah (not Aaa, btw-you're not Daniel Defoe), I thought you had only been a member of FF. Anyway, that's not what I said Biggins. You might want those glasses back, because I said "supported" and "associated with" too. For my part, I supported FG in the last election, as the best of a bad lot, and have never voted FF-I was formerly a Labour supporter, inasmuch as they got my vote when the time came around-just posting that in the interest of fairness.

Biggins wrote: »

Now on that we will differ little.

And that, for me anyway-is the most disappointing facet of this government. After the last crowd, they're light years ahead, and are doing good things. But then you have idiots like Reilly, and Hogan. (Actually Reilly is pretty far from an idiot, he's feathered a fine few nests for himself, he's just too cossetted to care).

RoundyMooney wrote: »

And for the record, Phil Hogan is an utter cretin-unfit for his role, incapable as someone who needs to lead in terms of a broadening of the tax base, and ultimately, only where he is because he stood with Enda when the horses were getting frightened. And he's making an utter bags of planning enquiries, local government efficiencies, water metering and property based taxation.

Just in case people think I'm some kind of FG plant, or anything.

I read the first line as unfit for his hole

ilovesleep wrote: »

I read the first line as unfit for his hole

The whole Big Phil thing was an attempt to alleviate that...

Biggins wrote: »

RoundyMooney, deep down I suspect you and I will actually differ little - very little on the day about many, many things.

As you say FG are the best of a bad lot - but even then, they must be kept in check, as all should.
We have seen too many errors of the past, not to be more watchful and point out where all might be further slipping.
Thus me sometimes being a right pain in the arse to political parties - all of them.

Well, I'd imagine we'd both hope for better things.

Look, it's as simple as this; you have obviously decided to spend far more time analysing the news than I, or many others. Just use that time wisely. Come up with answers.

I'm assuming, given your online proliferations, that you probably spend a fair chunk of your time on facebook as well, and I know you have done on TheJournal, 'cos I've spoken to you on there at least a couple of times. Hence my posting.

Whatever about boards, which employs a fairly good (accidental, mostly) idiot filter, in that one has to actually register specifically to post here, and illiterate trdspk is discouraged, as well as good moderation-both TJ.ie and FB are chock full of morons and cranks. People who can just click through and comment, usually badly, about the issues of the day. They, like many, are full of the woes of the world, full of tales about what "de gubbmint isnt doin 4 me", full of frank inaccuracies about what goes on in the corridors of power.

And they, invariably, have fuck all constructive responses or ideas.

Don't be one of those people, because to be quite honest, while they think they are doing a Michael Collins on top of a soap box, they are invariably ignored.