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  • #62
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    im not going down the route of abortion is wrong mmkay..but i think it should have a limit on it,it should only be available to suicidal rape victims,and those with medical problems or those with pregnancies such as downs or those incompatible with life etc..

    that i would agree with,what i dont agree with and many people in ireland dont agree with is abortion on demand,whereby anybody can go in and get one done bc lets face it,they are thinking more about their lifestyle than the life they have,and that is pure selfish and careless..say what you like dress it up anyway you like but that is the truth of the matter..

    anybody getting an abortion for ANY REASON .. to my mind and the minds and hearts of a lot of others in ireland is wrong..


  • #63
    Stabshauptmann
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,885 ✭✭✭Stabshauptmann


    SmilingLurker wrote: »
    No, people in this country still do what they are told. Shame on us, but no one to blame except ourselves. :(

    Abortion is a tricky issue, one of the most divisive I wager, and I think the topic deserves a bit more respect than "religious = anti, smart = pro"


  • #64
    Stabshauptmann
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,885 ✭✭✭Stabshauptmann


    I think one of the first things to be considered is Moral Hazard

    And before I get the anti religion rant
    If you think Moral hazard has anything to do with christian morals you are an idiot


  • #65
    Matt_Trakker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭Matt_Trakker


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    its not as simple as that....they were wrong etc,its a serious issue and will have an impact on population growth something ireland cannot handle right now in a recession,and not just that,it makes sex very non committal,if you get pregnant and it doesnt suit your lifestyle........abortion....if it doesnt suit the relationship......abortion...the guy is too immature......abortion

    All appropriate reasons to get an abortion. I'd get one for those reasons, no bother, hop on a boat to Wales and no hassle whatsoever. But I'm not a woman, but if my partner wanted to get one I wouldn't object, her body, her rules.


  • #66
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    im not going down the route of abortion is wrong mmkay....

    Really? Then what the fuck is this about....?
    .
    christmas2012 wrote: »
    anybody getting an abortion for ANY REASON .. to my mind and the minds and hearts of a lot of others in ireland is wrong..

    hmmmm?


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  • #67
    Stabshauptmann
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,885 ✭✭✭Stabshauptmann


    Matt_Trakker wrote: »
    All appropriate reason to get an abortion IN MY HUMBLE OPINION

    Fixed your post.


  • #68
    blacklilly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,687 ✭✭✭blacklilly


    Imo you're either for or against abortion this whole stance of oh its ok if pregnancy occurs through rape but not ok if contraception failed. That opinion is very hypocritical, if you think abortion is wrong then the circumstances in which pregnancy occurs should not be relevant.
    Also even I'm beginning to think there's far too many threads about abortion recently. I think every possible argument for and against has been made


  • #69
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    hmmmm?
    by any reason i mean reasons like,how it will look in school ,or how it will look with my boyf,or how it will affect my lifestyle etc..


  • #70
    RDM_83 again
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    mikom wrote: »
    They said it about condoms.......... they were wrong
    They said it about porn.......... they were wrong
    They said it about the right to vote.......... they were wrong

    They say it about cannabis these days.........

    In fairness about 1 in 5 (possibly 4) pregnancies in Britain (not UK) end in abortion, that a pretty high figure and you can bet considering the proportion of people that have strong views about it (e.g % of population that wouldn;t have one) that there's a considerable number of 'repeat' abortions.


  • #71
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    by any reason i mean reasons like,how it will look in school ,or how it will look with my boyf,or how it will affect my lifestyle etc..


    O yeah, I forgot how women will abort at the drop of a hat. Silly oul me.


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  • #72
    Stabshauptmann
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,885 ✭✭✭Stabshauptmann


    Nodin wrote: »


    Really? Then what the fuck is this about....?
    .


    hmmmm?
    Not putting words in the posters mouth, but from reading his post (I presume you only read the bits you selectively quote), he meant to say "any old reason", as in, a lackadaisical approach, rather than "any reason" meaning zero tolerance.


  • #73
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    All appropriate reason to get an abortion.

    not appropriate life happens,children can happen its a consequence of sex,this is the problem we have in ireland today,bc of these careless attitudes,throw it away forget about it scratch that part of your life out..but if you then try to get pregnant and then miscarry you might regret that abortion you had when you were young..

    abortion is not that simple,and it shouldnt be widely available for many different reasons,including the psychological aftermath it can have on a young girl or young woman..it can be dire..

    guys sometimes can push a girl into an abortion and it can be a big mistake a big regret years down the line..

    its not something one thinks about when getting an abortion at first i would bet,but it can ruin lives..and affect the relationship you have with your partner negatively


  • #74
    Stabshauptmann
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,885 ✭✭✭Stabshauptmann


    blacklilly wrote: »
    Imo you're either for or against abortion this whole stance of oh its ok if pregnancy occurs through rape but not ok if contraception failed. That opinion is very hypocritical, if you think abortion is wrong then the circumstances in which pregnancy occurs should not be relevant.

    I agree. I think that the moral aspect of abortion is down to whether or not you believe that a human life is being extinguished. I am against murder, but I am not against abortions at very early stages of pregnancy.

    I would like any referendum put to me to state at what stage in a pregnancy abortions would be legal.


  • #75
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    well..my opinion would be if it is limited to suicidal rape victims and those with medical conditions or downs etc..i would say yes but only limited to that alone..


  • #76
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    well..my opinion would be if it is limited to suicidal rape victims and those with medical conditions or downs etc..i would say yes but only limited to that alone..

    Would you include unfit parents in this?


  • #77
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    anybody can be an unfit parent,they havent been tried and tested yet,so no i wouldnt it would depend on what you mean exactly by unfit parent are we talking a heroin addict?


  • #78
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    anybody can be an unfit parent,they havent been tried and tested yet,so no i wouldnt it would depend on what you mean exactly by unfit parent are we talking a heroin addict?

    Say living in a trailer, dad in and out of the slammer, child will be pulled out of school early and used to rear the following children......... Grounds for an abortion?


  • #79
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    no,bc the child even though the circumstances are rough,just cost the dad is in and out of prison,the mother could be a good parent,and there is always fostering families who cant have their own children...


  • #80
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    Stabshauptmann wrote: »
    I agree. I think that the moral aspect of abortion is down to whether or not you believe that a human life is being extinguished. I am against murder, but I am not against abortions at very early stages of pregnancy.

    I would like any referendum put to me to state at what stage in a pregnancy abortions would be legal.


    This for me.


  • #81
    Matt_Trakker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭Matt_Trakker


    Stabshauptmann wrote: »
    Fixed your post.

    no you didn't.
    It's an internet forum or course it's an opinion

    *facepalm
    *thumbsup

    :rolleyes::rolleyes::p:p
    christmas2012 wrote: »
    abortion is not that simple
    Actually it is..........if you want it to be.

    I've two good female friends that had abortion, they don't regret it for a second and if I'd been in their situation I'd have done the same.


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  • #82
    my my my
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,969 ✭✭✭my my my


    greenpilot wrote: »
    Cardinal wants a referendum on abortion. Would he loose? Would there be a backlash against the church?

    it's true , however a certain monk is in the election for the next cardinal. , and the earl wants a different cardinal to replace this cardinal, who would then be inferior in status terms, to his brother, the bishop, and his other brother the duke


  • #83
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    my my my wrote: »
    it's true , however a certain monk is in the election for the next cardinal. , and the earl wants a different cardinal to replace this cardinal, who would then be inferior in status terms, to his brother, the bishop, and his other brother the duke


    Could you explain that in layman terms .


  • #84
    my my my
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,969 ✭✭✭my my my


    realies wrote: »
    Could you explain that in layman terms .


    i couldn't dumb it down any further


  • #85
    skeptik
    Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭skeptik


    Matt_Trakker wrote: »
    Dude of course sole exists
    Proof here
    http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSMJsHqjVac63z9_KtgF5F_1kdvATBtUrzZJ26Vuo-mOSQ5NmgrMA&t=1

    that made me cry laughing, kudos to you sir!


  • #86
    Gmol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,281 ✭✭✭Gmol


    PieForPi wrote: »
    irish-stew wrote: »
    Now if you do get pregnant, and decide you dont want it for lifestyle or financial reasons, well then maybe you should have taken the precautions, in that case then I dont think there should be an option for abortion.

    Yeah! You should be forced to carry a child you don't want and go through a painful labour to birth it, then be forced to face it every day even though you may not have the physical, emotional or financial means to support it, until a point where it can support itself.

    Oh but wait, you've an obligation to it for its first 18 years.

    So your one little mistake should be with you for the next 18 years, despite safe alternatives being available.

    How f*cking Irish. Although, perhaps I should have left this post alone when it was made by someone who went to a Catholic mass and expected something other than preachy bullsh*te.

    Well you know how it happens so why don't you take precautions beforehand. If you're old enough to have sex be old enough to be responsible and that ain't catholic bs.


  • #87
    Sar_Bear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,555 ✭✭✭Sar_Bear


    Personally, I think it should be available to everyone.

    This "take responsibility for your actions" crap is just that, crap. Let's say a woman finds out in the morning she is pregnant. She knows there's no way she can financially manage having a child, and if she did have it, the child would be living a life of poverty.. That's ok?

    Or she's not emotionally or mentally able for it.. That she will not be able to cope, and there's a risk of her becoming unstable and a poor parent? Then in later years she may resent her child for causing this.

    A child being born into an abusive home.. That's ok?

    The thought of women getting abortions "just cause" is stupid. Just because it's legal doesn't mean people will do it. If someone wants an abortion, they'll do it, is it not fair that we provide this service in the country?


  • #88
    krudler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    not appropriate life happens,children can happen its a consequence of sex,this is the problem we have in ireland today,bc of these careless attitudes,throw it away forget about it scratch that part of your life out..but if you then try to get pregnant and then miscarry you might regret that abortion you had when you were young..

    abortion is not that simple,and it shouldnt be widely available for many different reasons,including the psychological aftermath it can have on a young girl or young woman..it can be dire..

    guys sometimes can push a girl into an abortion and it can be a big mistake a big regret years down the line..

    its not something one thinks about when getting an abortion at first i would bet,but it can ruin lives..and affect the relationship you have with your partner negatively

    you can replace "abortion" with "having a baby" and your entire post can be the same thing.


  • #89
    krudler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    Sar_Bear wrote: »
    Personally, I think it should be available to everyone.

    This "take responsibility for your actions" crap is just that, crap. Let's say a woman finds out in the morning she is pregnant. She knows there's no way she can financially manage having a child, and if she did have it, the child would be living a life of poverty.. That's ok?

    Or she's not emotionally or mentally able for it.. That she will not be able to cope, and there's a risk of her becoming unstable and a poor parent? Then in later years she may resent her child for causing this.

    A child being born into an abusive home.. That's ok?

    The thought of women getting abortions "just cause" is stupid. Just because it's legal doesn't mean people will do it. If someone wants an abortion, they'll do it, is it not fair that we provide this service in the country?

    No, better to add to the decision by making women take a boat or plane ride to a different country and then have to come back instead of being given support and care here.


  • #90
    blacklilly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,687 ✭✭✭blacklilly


    Matt_Trakker wrote: »
    Stabshauptmann wrote: »
    Fixed your post.

    no you didn't.
    It's an internet forum or course it's an opinion

    *facepalm
    *thumbsup

    :rolleyes::rolleyes::p:p
    christmas2012 wrote: »
    abortion is not that simple
    Actually it is..........if you want it to be.

    I've two good female friends that had abortion, they don't regret it for a second and if I'd been in their situation I'd have done the same.

    I'm glad your friends have not suffered negatively from having abortions, however I too have a number of friends and all but one have suffered badly, thankfully most of them have gone to counselling. so just because your friends have not suffered does not mean others haven't.
    If abortion was without risk and morally ok it would have been legalised a long time ago, it can (I'm not saying always) have a very damaging impact on a woman. Also it was initially legalised in the UK for pregnancies where the mothers life was in risk or for serious fetal abnormalities yet tens of thousands of healthy pregnancies are aborted in the UK annually. Where it is legal, it is being abused


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  • #91
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    I cant remember where it was but I read a list of stories from people who work in abortion clinics of people who came in looking for an abortion. People will say they are against it but as soon as it suits them they will say that abortion is wrong, but their circumstance is the exception. Even after they had it done they would tell the people working there that they are horrible people.

    The argument of "only if it was rape" doesn't hold much ground for me either, you are still ending the life of the "child" for the actions of others, why should someone lose their life because of what someone else did.

    Anything religious is no reason to base laws on, I'm an atheist so why should they be forced to live a certain way because your book says so?

    If we allow the morning after pill I see no reason not to allow abortions during the first term. Second term is more grey for me. Third is a no, if it can live outside of the womb then I think it should be put up for adoption instead.


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