STOVES questions and answers here(see mod note in post 1)

lynski wrote: »

Q. and apologies if this is not the place but no idea where else to put it.
the next door neighbor has just installed a stove (today or yesterday) and on the first firing the smoke is spilling all over my back yard. I know nothing about building, but to me i think his chimney is not high enough? The chimney top is about 4 meters off the ground, on the low side of his extension roof.
I cant see how i can hang clothes on the line without them getting smoked.

Is there a minimum chimney height? and how do i find out>

4metres is generally the minimum height from the top of the stove. If in a smokeless zone make sure he is burning smokeless fuel. A bit of smoke at lighting is normal with smokeless but should clear after about 15 minutes.

You never know it may just be an unusual wind direction and other days be fine/better!!

If you get on well with your neighbour discuss the problem with him. It's better to go direct if you can sort it out without falling out. I would prefer someone coming to me direct rather than reporting me to the Council.

Raising the chimney may help, experiment with some fluepipe.

Stove Fan:)

purplek wrote: »

Hi,

Looking to install an insert boiler stove into a 12ft x 12ft x 8.5ft room to heat 12 radiators (1900 square foot house). Any recommendations?

Thank you.

Your going to have difficulty finding an inset boiler stove with a low output to the room and still a high boiler output.

Your room only needs a stove room heat of 2.5-3kw of heat.
There is the Esse 350 greenswitch which produces 3.6kw to room and only 11kw to the boiler.
You should ideally get a plumber in to size the heating load as this part is crucial. Take no notice of manufacturers who quote the number of rads that their stove will heat as all rads are various sizes and generally manufacturers quote single rads.
If you measure your rads and see if they are double convector or single you can add up the kw rating of them to get a rough boiler size.
If you have double doors into another room you may be able to have a higher room heat stove.
http://www.traderadiators.com/acatalog/Compact_Radiators.html

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The Boru Chieftan gives a room output of 2kw and 15kw to water. Do you know anything about these stoves?

grange mac wrote: »

Hi stovefan, can you tell me are inset stoves any good for providing heat in a room. Was told by installer go for actual stove as the insets only provide heat from 1 side v 3 in a normal stove?. Have a fieplace so cost is a factor, room is 18*14. No double doors or rad connection required. Think inset would b neater but would it give enough heat? Finally my fireplace surround is timber like the one on first pages of this thread, could it stay in?

Thanking you in advance...

According to Stanley's website http://www.waterfordstanley.com/stanley-stoves/room-heat-calculator.aspx your room requires 5.3kw if insulation is low, 4.1 if its medium and 3 if its high.

Boiler inset stoves will give up to 3.6kw approx but non boiler versions will heat your room. For example the Esse 350SE gives up to 6.5KW

grange mac wrote: »

Hi stovefan, can you tell me are inset stoves any good for providing heat in a room. Was told by installer go for actual stove as the insets only provide heat from 1 side v 3 in a normal stove?. Have a fieplace so cost is a factor, room is 18*14. No double doors or rad connection required. Think inset would b neater but would it give enough heat? Finally my fireplace surround is timber like the one on first pages of this thread, could it stay in?

Thanking you in advance...

The heat outputs from insert stoves is generally good but it does depend on models/brand and how well it's been installed.

Woodwarm inserts work well apparantly. Can't recommend any other makes as no direct feedback.

See whatstove for various reviews and to find the various insert stoves. www.whatstove.co.uk

Some inserts are like a box inside another box and the gap between the casings is vented to let the heat escape.

Personally an insert is a much easier installation as no hearth modifications etc. So long as the surround is the recommended clearance it should be fine.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=woodwarm+insert
http://www.woodwarmstoves.co.uk/

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tinofapples wrote: »

Hi Stove Fan,
We were looking at the Olymberyl Gabriel 6kw non boiler at the weekend for placement on hearth in our sitting room with dimensions of 4.4m X 4.9m ? Shop has "dropped" from €465 to €400 for us and has quoted us €300 for fitting. Does this sound reasonable for fitting ? ANd is the stove any good or can you recommend one in that price range or cheaper that is alot better ?

Regards,
David.

Hi, it really depends on the insulation levels but 6kw should be plenty for a room of that size. 4kw would probably be plenty with good insulation.

I dont know anything about that brand. Is the stanley Oisin the same price?

I would prefer to buy Stanley. The budget you have is not going to buy a top brand.

It really depends on whats involved with the stove installation and what materials it includes.

If sitting on an open fire hearth, the hearth will need extending forward for building regulations and manufacturers instructions. Ask how to sweep the chimney etc and how are they installing it. Ie joining to clay liner or do you have to remove stove which you should not have to do to sweep the chimney.

Stove Fan:)

tinofapples wrote: »

The Oisin is €450 unless on offer but it's physically a very small stove which my wife isn't gone on :rolleyes:

Most places selling the Oisin near me will only sell the product, I prefer and all in one solution supply and fit that way no-one can point the finger elsewhere if it's not perfroming as it should. Would it be fair to say that a newly fitted stove will take time to find full efficiency ?

Thanks,
David.

Hi I can see what your saying.

With a new cast iron stove you should start with small fires and build up to larger fires to condition the cast iron. It will still reach full efficiency but not full heat output.

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nophd08 wrote: »

Anyone familiar with any of these,
http://www.strataireland.com/pages/view/solid-fuel-home-heating-boilers
http://kotlospaw.com/uks-g#p=s1
http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/heating/2068697
All of above obviously needs to be installed in an out
building or utility. Just wondering has anyone installed any of above.

No direct experiance but You have a PM:)

Well we finally purchased today, got the Stanley Oisin afterall. Purchase price €399 by all accounts it outperforms physically larger stoves. Anyone else interested at this price we bought it in McDonaghs in Galway
http://www.mcdonoghdirect.ie/

A question for yourself Stove Fan though, the salesman told us we could buy a steel sheet of him with a round hole to fit the flue outlet of the stove, simply seal the steel sheet against our fireplace and fill behind the steel sheet with sand up to the level of the outlet flue. Does this sound outlandish ? Another salesmen told me last week that the outlet from the stove should meet your chimney flue

Who am I to believe ?? The steel sheet sounds very simple and cheap but doesn't sound safe and practical particularly with regards cleaning the chimney !!

Robbie.G wrote: »

tinofapples wrote: »

Well we finally purchased today, got the Stanley Oisin afterall. Purchase price €399 by all accounts it outperforms physically larger stoves. Anyone else interested at this price we bought it in McDonaghs in Galway
http://www.mcdonoghdirect.ie/

A question for yourself Stove Fan though, the salesman told us we could buy a steel sheet of him with a round hole to fit the flue outlet of the stove, simply seal the steel sheet against our fireplace and fill behind the steel sheet with sand up to the level of the outlet flue. Does this sound outlandish ? Another salesmen told me last week that the outlet from the stove should meet your chimney flue

Who am I to believe ?? The steel sheet sounds very simple and cheap but doesn't sound safe and practical particularly with regards cleaning the chimney !!

Don't do that it is highly dangerous and against building regs
The flue size has to be 150mm that is the minimum that's allowed on solid fuel
I think The outlet on your stove is 125mm
So you have to increase it up
Also if you want to sit stove on fireplace hearth you will need a larger hearth

I did think it sounded crazy. What with all talk recently about carbon monoxide poisoning. Is best practice to have the outlet from the stove directly connected to the chimney orange coloured flue? This sounds like the right method to me but is it too much?

tinofapples wrote: »

Well we finally purchased today, got the Stanley Oisin afterall. Purchase price €399 by all accounts it outperforms physically larger stoves. Anyone else interested at this price we bought it in McDonaghs in Galway
http://www.mcdonoghdirect.ie/

A question for yourself Stove Fan though, the salesman told us we could buy a steel sheet of him with a round hole to fit the flue outlet of the stove, simply seal the steel sheet against our fireplace and fill behind the steel sheet with sand up to the level of the outlet flue. Does this sound outlandish ? Another salesmen told me last week that the outlet from the stove should meet your chimney flue

Who am I to believe ?? The steel sheet sounds very simple and cheap but doesn't sound safe and practical particularly with regards cleaning the chimney !!

Hi, Stanley Oisin installation and user manual should be followed.
http://www.waterfordstanley.com/media/200805/oisinsf.pdf
Stanley say that if your joining to an 7or 8 inch clay lined flue, stanley say it should be lined with a 6 inch flexible stainless liner in this case. Being a 5 inch outlet stove the 8 inch clay flue could cool the chimney too much hence affect the draw and possible condensation risks etc. Ie the flue area is too big for the stoves outlet.
A fire burning solid fuel should have a minimum 6 inch main flue. 5 inch flue outlet =6 inch liner. Or follows manufacturers instructions.

Option (1)
Personally to do it properly and to the manufacturers instructions the stoves flue should be lined with a 6 inch flexible liner as adviced by stanley if you have a clay lined flue or not.

Option (2)
If there is room is to join the stoves flue to the clay liner using a clay liner adaptor, with a soot door on the fluepipe if the flue can't be swept through the stove. This though isn't adviced by stanley as the flue size is too big if you have a clay lined flue.
If your house flue is old or isn't lined then line it anyway with a flexible stainless flue liner.

Option (3)

Use the suggested steel plate and sand but do not fill all the way up to the stoves flue outlet, at least 250mm below. It is critical you leave enough space for a debris collection as mentioned in this link page 28.
http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/BR_PDF_ADJ_2002.pdf

If you filled up to the stoves flue exit any soot would gradually block the flue.

The debris collection space is there to store the soot until it's removed, although I wouldn't recommend this method of installation as the soot is a fire hazard.

Option 3 would also need a soot door built into the chimney to be able to sweep and remove the soot.

Personally if I was advicing I would go for option 1. Remember there should be no horizontal flue runs greater than 150mm.
Please also buy a carbon monoxide alarm.
Please though get the stove installed by a professional stove installer.

Irish stove installation regulations.
http://www.environ.ie/en/Publications/DevelopmentandHousing/BuildingStandards/FileDownLoad,1650,en.pdf

Stove Fan:)

Robbie.G wrote: »

The biggest problem you have with stoves is that people spend a couple of hundred euro on them and don't relies that in some cases you could spend over a thousand euro on flue and fitting.A lot of people think that stove fitting is a DIY job and won't pay a properly trained and insured fitter to do the job.There were 36 people killed in uk in the last 3 years from poorly fitted stoves and the same is goin to happen here

Well the fella I met yesterday (Wednesday) that I bought the stove from is convinced fitting a stove is a DIY job which I certainly don't agree with. I want the stove fitted properly for the sake of my wife and 2 kids, what annoys me is that one fella tells ya one thing and someone else will tell ya something different.

As I said earlier:

I want the stove fitted properly for the sake of my wife and 2 kids

and believe me that is the most important thing