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Garda Report - MCD blamed for violence at SHM gig

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  • #62
    FishBowel
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 363 ✭✭FishBowel


    davet82 wrote: »
    Does 'electronic music' have to have special consideration because of the people it attracts?
    Guess they'll never have a Stockhausen concert in the Phonenix Park now!


  • #63
    kfallon
    Registered Users Posts: 25,775 ✭✭✭✭kfallon


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    The report also recommends letting the Stone Roses play for 3 nights next year

    Finally some sense has come out of it all!!!


  • #64
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    cometogether wrote: »
    For me the problem is with the SHM fans rather than the organisation of the gigs

    I dont think its the 'fans' either, i'd bet that anybody arrested at the gig couldnt tell you anything about their music


  • #65
    cometogether
    Registered Users Posts: 588 ✭✭✭cometogether


    davet82 wrote: »
    I dont think its the 'fans' either, i'd bet that anybody arrested at the gig couldnt tell you anything about their music

    Well I'd disagree. I was at the Stone Roses gig, I didn't see one fight, nobody passed out drunk, there was literally no arrests either. You telling me that's just a coincidence? Swedish House Mafia just seems to attract scumbags, that's all!


  • #66
    Colmustard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭Colmustard


    Bollox music is music, Hitler loved Wagner, Stalin Tchaikovsky, music has been blamed for delinquency since Elvis. thought Ska and punk were great but I am not a violent person and neither were my friends.

    Scumbags are scumbags and they just ruin any occasion no matter who is playing or what is going on.


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  • #67
    cometogether
    Registered Users Posts: 588 ✭✭✭cometogether


    Colmustard wrote: »
    Bollox music is music, Hitler loved Wagner, Stalin Tchaikovsky, music has been blamed for delinquency since Elvis. thought Ska and punk were great but I am not a violent person and neither were my friends.

    Scumbags are scumbags and they just ruin any occasion no matter who is playing or what is going on.

    Bit strange then that there was all those stabbings and arrests at the SHM gig but literally none at the Stone Roses one, two days previously. Coincidence?


  • #68
    Colmustard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭Colmustard


    cometogether wrote: »
    Bit strange then that there was all those stabbings and arrests at the SHM gig but literally none at the Stone Roses one, two days previously. Coincidence?

    But I wouldn't blame a music genre for the behaviours of scumbags, but I concede your point. It was a security F/up.


  • #69
    davet82
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    cometogether wrote: »
    Bit strange then that there was all those stabbings and arrests at the SHM gig but literally none at the Stone Roses one, two days previously. Coincidence?

    a bunch late 20s to early 40s in a field versus underage drinkers in their teens up to late 20s, of course there is gonna be more trouble from a younger more inexperinced crowd.


  • #70
    cometogether
    Registered Users Posts: 588 ✭✭✭cometogether


    Colmustard wrote: »
    But I wouldn't blame a music genre for the behaviours of scumbags, but I concede your point. It was a security F/up.

    Nah pal I ain't blaming the genre at all, I love dance music, although not SHM, but unfortunately it does attract bad elements. Was the security bad? I wasn't at the gig but it seemed tight enough at the Roses, but I obviously can't comment at the state of it at the SHM gig.


  • #71
    cometogether
    Registered Users Posts: 588 ✭✭✭cometogether


    davet82 wrote: »
    a bunch late 20s to early 40s in a field versus underage drinkers in their teens up to late 20s, of course there is gonna be more trouble from a younger more inexperinced crowd.

    You what? I'm 18 and I was there, and I was far from the youngest!


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  • #72
    Colmustard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭Colmustard


    I am also sure that this band (whoever they are) have had big gigs elsewhere in Europe without this trouble. There is something about the average Dublin scumbag, they are just berserkers, we can't even have a paddies parade without them kicking off. I went into town after last years Dublin all Ireland win, most us Dubs had big wide love the world grins, but apparently there was murder in parts of town because of this element.


  • #73
    cometogether
    Registered Users Posts: 588 ✭✭✭cometogether


    Colmustard wrote: »
    I am also sure that this band (whoever they are) have had big gigs elsewhere in Europe without this trouble. There is something about the average Dublin scumbag, they are just berserkers, we can't even have a paddies parade without them kicking off. I went into town after last years Dublin all Ireland win, most us Dubs had big wide love the world grins, but apparently there was murder in parts of town because of this element.

    Actually funny you mention that, three people were stabbed at their gig in England the same month!


  • #74
    Colmustard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭Colmustard


    cometogether wrote: »
    Actually funny you mention that, three people were stabbed at their gig in England the same month!

    :eek: holy ****. I have to look up this band.


  • #75
    cometogether
    Registered Users Posts: 588 ✭✭✭cometogether


    Colmustard wrote: »
    :eek: holy ****. I have to look up this band.

    I wouldn't bother man they're rubbish!


  • #76
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    cometogether wrote: »
    You what? I'm 18 and I was there, and I was far from the youngest!

    overall majority, not disputing that there where younger people at the stone roses gig


  • #77
    cometogether
    Registered Users Posts: 588 ✭✭✭cometogether


    davet82 wrote: »
    overall majority, not disputing that there where younger people at the stone roses gig

    I would say that the overall majority seemed to be mid to late 20s. On a similar vein, the age bracket for the Snow Patrol gig would be similar to the SHM one. Why wasn't there carnage at that?


  • #78
    stovelid
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    cometogether wrote: »
    On a similar vein, the age bracket for the Snow Patrol gig would be similar to the SHM one. Why wasn't there carnage at that?

    A catatonic state of boredom isn't conducive to a knifing frenzy.


  • #79
    cometogether
    Registered Users Posts: 588 ✭✭✭cometogether


    stovelid wrote: »
    A catatonic state of boredom isn't conducive to a knifing frenzy.

    If anything the wounds would be self inflicted for anyone that had to sit through that!


  • #80
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    cometogether wrote: »
    I would say that the overall majority seemed to be mid to late 20s. On a similar vein, the age bracket for the Snow Patrol gig would be similar to the SHM one. Why wasn't there carnage at that?

    i think there was alot of underage people at the SHM gig compared to SP.

    you have to remember there were 60k and it was still a very small proporation that caused trouble.

    i wouldnt blame SHM for a few wánkers causing trouble or their majority of real fans who enjoyed the concert

    what do you suggest, that we ban dance music or SHM from playing again?


  • #81
    cometogether
    Registered Users Posts: 588 ✭✭✭cometogether


    davet82 wrote: »
    i think there was alot of underage people at the SHM gig compared to SP.

    you have to remember there were 60k and it was still a very small proporation that caused trouble.

    i wouldnt blame SHM for a few wánkers causing trouble or their majority of real fans who enjoyed the concert

    what do you suggest, that we ban dance music or SHM from playing again?

    Were you at both gigs? Because I imagine people would have been drinking at both, but different crowds means different reactions. I'm not too sure how small the proportion was, supposedly there was fights everywhere, I even heard of people leaving the gig early because of the trouble. Nah SHM aren't to blame, its just the sort of fans they attract! Why would I suggest banning dance music? I've already said I love it! However, this sort of outdoor event with this line-up was bound to be trouble.


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  • #82
    professorpete
    Registered Users Posts: 69 ✭✭professorpete


    davet82 wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/mcd-blamed-for-violence-at-swedish-house-mafia-gig-3188748.html

    MCD maybe could have been better prepared but what prepares you for knife weilding manaics?

    More / better security; if searches were carried out as they're supposed to be, then in theory, weapons will be detected / confiscated and people wielding / concealing them will not be allowed admission.
    davet82 wrote: »

    i wouldnt blame SHM for a few wánkers causing trouble or their majority of real fans who enjoyed the concert

    what do you suggest, that we ban dance music or SHM from playing again?

    More / better security at gigs that clearly will have more messers at it than the likes of Snow Patrol.

    May have been said already but I think MCD have an obligation for any event that it's holding to protect it's customers from knife wielding arseholes out to case a ruck. They can achieve this by providing adequate security.

    I think people saying it's because of drug dealers are missing the point. Weapons shouldn't make it past the front gate.


  • #83
    cometogether
    Registered Users Posts: 588 ✭✭✭cometogether


    professorpete wrote: »
    More / better security; if searches were carried out as they're supposed to be, then in theory, weapons will be detected / confiscated and people wielding / concealing them will not be allowed admission.



    More / better security at gigs that clearly will have more messers at it than the likes of Snow Patrol.

    May have been said already but I think MCD have an obligation for any event that it's holding to protect it's customers from knife wielding arseholes out to case a ruck. They can achieve this by providing adequate security.

    I think people saying it's because of drug dealers are missing the point. Weapons shouldn't make it past the front gate.

    The thing is though, I seem to recall having that metal detector wand thing being passed over my body before I went into the Roses gig. Surely that would detect knives?


  • #84
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    In fairness, I assume the problem is that if you searched every single person throughly at a gig of, what, 45000 people, how long would that take?

    Also imagine the rush just before the start of the gig and trying to fully search 1000s of people.

    A metal detector rig-out like at airports would be the only way to detect knives more quickly and again, that will still take time due to false alarms, follow-on searches etc.

    All the Joe Duffy palaver and blame-slinging about a handful of stabbings at a massive gig just masks the fact that there is probably little way of stopping a small number of people ending up inside with knives at an outdoor gig of that size.


  • #85
    cometogether
    Registered Users Posts: 588 ✭✭✭cometogether


    stovelid wrote: »
    In fairness, I assume the problem is that if you searched every single person throughly at a gig of, what, 45000 people, how long would that take?

    Also imagine the rush just before the start of the gig and trying to fully search 1000s of people.

    A metal detector rig-out like at airports would be the only way to detect knives more quickly and again, that will still take time due to false alarms, follow-on searches etc.

    All the Joe Duffy palaver and blame-slinging about a handful of stabbings at a massive gig just masks the fact that there is probably little way of stopping a small number of people ending up inside with knives at an outdoor gig of that size.

    Well its not like all 45000 arrived at once to be fair!


  • #86
    Donnielighto
    Registered Users Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭Donnielighto


    You can correlate musical tastes to different social behaviour. Dont try to deny it otherwise there wouldnt be the cliche of what kind of people listen to different types of music. I'm not saying its a hard and fast rule but there would be more violent scumbags at a SHM gig that a Daniel O'Donnell one.


  • #87
    Donnielighto
    Registered Users Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭Donnielighto


    Put a sterilising agent in dutch gold, it's an investment in the future of the nation.


  • #88
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    cometogether wrote: »
    Were you at both gigs? Because I imagine people would have been drinking at both, but different crowds means different reactions. I'm not too sure how small the proportion was, supposedly there was fights everywhere, I even heard of people leaving the gig early because of the trouble. Nah SHM aren't to blame, its just the sort of fans they attract! Why would I suggest banning dance music? I've already said I love it! However, this sort of outdoor event with this line-up was bound to be trouble.

    no just the SHM one, had friends at the others.

    Fights everywhere... sounds like your typical saturday night in temple bar.

    was there a higher precentage of 'scumbags' at the SHM than the other gigs? - of course there was but of the 50k that went to the gig it would be a small precentage of the overall number that caused trouble.

    Like I said these people that caused trouble aren't fans, we shouldnt call them that.


  • #89
    cometogether
    Registered Users Posts: 588 ✭✭✭cometogether


    davet82 wrote: »
    no just the SHM one, had friends at the others.

    Fights everywhere... sounds like your typical saturday night in temple bar.

    was there a higher precentage of 'scumbags' at the SHM than the other gigs? - of course there was but of the 50k that went to the gig it would be a small precentage of the overall number that caused trouble.

    Like I said these people that caused trouble aren't fans, we shouldnt call them that.

    Yeah I get that, but what I think you're trying to say is that they only went for the event rather than the artist performing. Why did so many descend en masse to the SHM one rather than the others?


  • #90
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    cometogether wrote: »
    Yeah I get that, but what I think you're trying to say is that they only went for the event rather than the artist performing. Why did so many descend en masse to the SHM one rather than the others?

    thats what i ment, you said it better than me :pac:

    why... i'm not sure. 10 years ago i went clubbing alot more, big dance events too and there was never trouble like this.

    i think the decline in popularity in ecstacy and the increase in popluarity in cocaine (with alcohol) may explain the violence, even the most aggresive scumbags were mellow after taking some tablets. i'm not saying drugs are ok btw before anyone starts! ;)

    you have a theroy on it? i really dont know tbh


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  • #91
    cometogether
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    davet82 wrote: »
    thats what i ment, you said it better than me :pac:

    why... i'm not sure. 10 years ago i went clubbing alot more, big dance events too and there was never trouble like this.

    i think the decline in popularity in ecstacy and the increase in popluarity in cocaine (with alcohol) may explain the violence, even the most aggresive scumbags were mellow after taking some tablets. i'm not saying drugs are ok btw before anyone starts! ;)

    you have a theroy on it? i really dont know tbh

    I'm not sure myself! Maybe the 2pm start had something to do with it, as some people there seemed hell bent on getting totally f ucked before they went in. Maybe drugs had a part to play too, particularly if mixed with booze. Or maybe its just to do with the nature of SHM fans.


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