Garda Report - MCD blamed for violence at SHM gig

davet82

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/mcd-blamed-for-violence-at-swedish-house-mafia-gig-3188748.html

Summary of findings

? Greater consideration should be given to venue selection for electronic music.
? MCD did not have appropriate security measures in place for the Swedish House Mafia concert and associated crowd demographic.
? Security personel were unclear of MCD's policy with regard to checking age and removing intoxicated people from the venue.
? Gardai had limited access to CCTV at the event because it was controlled by a private contractor hired by MCD.

Does 'electronic music' have to have special consideration because of the people it attracts? IDK seems harsh on the other 59k people who behaved and enjoyed themselves to be tarring them with the same brush.

MCD maybe could have been better prepared but what prepares you for knife weilding manaics?

Why didnt the the gardai raise these issues before?

Jay D

It's an absolute joke of a report tbh. Call in Celine Dion for some good revellers at a concert :rolleyes:

godtabh

It shoes how out of touch they are

califano

How do MCD get to keep their license when they will have no discourse about the events they run?. All they seem to do is state they have no comment to make. That seems to be a good enough statement to get through the next storm that arises every time.

Ash.J.Williams

I genuinely think that gig was infiltrated by one or two organised dealers and their henchmen. They should never have been admitted and if they were not, the gig would have turned out very different. Drugs should be brought in by punters and shared out like they always have. By letting in scumbag dealers you're asking for trouble.

DrumSteve

how are they responsible for violence? surely the people who caused it would be responsible for it.

Duggy747

This would never had happened if they let Big Tom play instead.

JimsAlterEgo

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I genuinely think that gig was infiltrated by one or two organised dealers and their henchmen. They should never have been admitted and if they were not, the gig would have turned out very different. Drugs should be brought in by punters and shared out like they always have. By letting in scumbag dealers you're asking for trouble.

Those dealers were called Bulmers and Smirnoff were they?

Ella

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I genuinely think that gig was infiltrated by one or two organised dealers and their henchmen. They should never have been admitted and if they were not, the gig would have turned out very different. Drugs should be brought in by punters and shared out like they always have. By letting in scumbag dealers you're asking for trouble.

Eh wut?

Fr_Dougal

I wonder will MCD try to sue the Gardai now...

SEPT 23 1989

The report also recommends letting the Stone Roses play for 3 nights next year

Plazaman

Duggy747 wrote: »

This would never had happened if they let Big Tom play instead.

I don't know, I had the misfortune to be at a Big Tom concert once in a Hotel Ballroom and there was "a quare hape of baytings" as described by the bouncer. I suppose the fact that Big Tom was playing with The Mainliners, I genuinely think that confused some of the clientele as to what type of concert it would be.

listermint

davet82 wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/mcd-blamed-for-violence-at-swedish-house-mafia-gig-3188748.html

Summary of findings



Does 'electronic music' have to have special consideration because of the people it attracts? IDK seems harsh on the other 59k people who behaved and enjoyed themselves to be tarring them with the same brush.

MCD maybe could have been better prepared but what prepares you for knife weilding manaics?

Why didnt the the gardai raise these issues before?

To be fair, what i think they are stating is the youth crowd attracted to the event are more likely to scale barriers than their adult counterparts.

Having it right in the middle of an urban populace with relative ease of access for said youth to by pass the security teams by scaling fences, the venue is not ideal. I mean you cant scale fences into the O2 as such.

So i think what you are getting at is misdirected.

If the Phoenix park was for instance in the midlands, in a field surrounded by fields the access would not be as easy.

get it ?

i hope so.

phasers

? Gardai had limited access to CCTV at the event because it was controlled by a private contractor hired by MCD.

What does this mean? Do the Gardaí not have powers to view all the CCTV they want?

listermint

godtabh wrote: »

It shoes how out of touch they are

i think you took it up wrong, ive detailed it above in my previous post.

the points are fairly valid.

Sky King

'electronic music'

Wow, now THERE"S a catch all term!

Better not get Kraftwerk or Brian Eno in without drafting in the army rangers next time.

I think they should narrow it down to Skanger House

Duggy747

Sky King wrote: »

I think they should narrow it down to Skanger House

Or Cheeeeeeuuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnneeeessss, man!!

conorhal

DrumSteve wrote: »

how are they responsible for violence? surely the people who caused it would be responsible for it.

They didn't check ID's and allowed underage revellers in
They didn't refuse entry to poeple that were wrecked drunk or off their tits, many of which were under age.
They seized knives, hammers and a variety of other weapons and still allowed these people to enter the venue. In fact there seems to have been no policy of refusal of entry at all.
They failed to secure the perimiter fencing that resulted in a large number of people without tickets to flood into the gig.
The gig itself was poorly policed and managed, while the company claim that they complied with the regulation requirements, and in fact exceeded them, you have to ask if, given the nature of the gig, compliance was enough. There seems to have been no consideration for the kind of measures that would be needed rather than the measures they were contracted to meet.

All these factors contributed to the trouble that kicked off.

I would hardly absolve the Guards though, the total absense of policing along the route to the gig was apalling.
Near the gates of the Phoenix park I saw some giant goon standing in the middle of the road threatening a taxi driver and other cars that were forced to drive around him, and I could only wonder where are the Guards?

davet82

listermint wrote: »

To be fair, what i think they are stating is the youth crowd attracted to the event are more likely to scale barriers than their adult counterparts.

Having it right in the middle of an urban populace with relative ease of access for said youth to by pass the security teams by scaling fences, the venue is not ideal. I mean you cant scale fences into the O2 as such.

So i think what you are getting at is misdirected.

If the Phoenix park was for instance in the midlands, in a field surrounded by fields the access would not be as easy.

get it ?

i hope so.

eh what exactly do you think i'm getting at?

SocSocPol

DrumSteve wrote: »

how are they responsible for violence? surely the people who caused it would be responsible for it.

They are not responsible for the violence, they are however responsible for NOT taking all reasonable precautions to prevent such violence at an event that they organized. In my opinion the Gardai are also reponsible for not taking steps as well.

opinion guy

Gardai had limited access to CCTV at the event because it was controlled by a private contractor hired by MCD.

Eh....how is this even an issue ? Surely the Gardai have the power to confiscate all tapes when people have been stabbed ?

And if not why not ?

neil_hosey

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I genuinely think that gig was infiltrated by one or two organised dealers and their henchmen. They should never have been admitted and if they were not, the gig would have turned out very different. Drugs should be brought in by punters and shared out like they always have. By letting in scumbag dealers you're asking for trouble.

highly retarded comment.

SocSocPol

opinion guy wrote: »

Eh....how is this even an issue ? Surely the Gardai have the power to confiscate all tapes when people have been stabbed ?

And if not why not ?

They did have access AFTER the event, the Gardai , as I understand it, are complaining that they didnt have access to monitor events on the cctv, which could possible have alerted them to potential troublespots before they flared up.

ChunkyLover_53

I blame Pope John Paul II

He started all this Lark in the Park stuff in the 70s

Back then the big story was public fornication

Now it's escalated to stabbings, crack cocaine & somehow the Mafia are involved.

Bloody Italians!

CodyJarrett

Users who mention MCD again will be banned, you have been warned.


Ahhhh, I miss the noughties.

davet82

CodyJarrett wrote: »

Users who mention MCD again will be banned, you have been warned.

users who mention that when you mention mcd you will be banned, should be banned :P

getting old now dude

MistyCheese

CodyJarrett wrote: »

Users who mention MCD again will be banned, you have been warned.

Ah, come on now. What have Mc Donalds done wrong?

davet82

davet82 wrote: »

Does 'electronic music' have to have special consideration because of the people it attracts? IDK seems harsh on the other 59k people who behaved and enjoyed themselves to be tarring them with the same brush.

You've really answered your first question yourself, with the statement that follows it.

later12

davet82 wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/mcd-blamed-for-violence-at-swedish-house-mafia-gig-3188748.html

Summary of findings



Does 'electronic music' have to have special consideration because of the people it attracts? IDK seems harsh on the other 59k people who behaved and enjoyed themselves to be tarring them with the same brush.

MCD maybe could have been better prepared but what prepares you for knife weilding manaics?

Why didnt the the gardai raise these issues before?

So hang on; there there were three main groups that had come in from blame when this story broke: The Garda Siochana, the private security firm, and MCD themselves.

Now one of those groups have written a report implicating another.

Obvious bias much? They're not realistically going to publish a port implicating themselves, are they.

davet82

Deleted User wrote: »

You've really answered your first question yourself, with the statement that follows it.

I know, so i'm not missing anything then?

davet82

davet82 wrote: »

I know, so i'm not missing anything then?

Totally misread that. Sorry.

listermint

davet82 wrote: »

eh what exactly do you think i'm getting at?

i thought you were implying that the guards were blaming 'techno' music without valid reasons. The reasons i have alluded to in my post, mainly being venue choice. And crowd age range.

smash

MCD did not have appropriate security measures in place for the Swedish House Mafia concert and associated crowd demographic.

Do they mean scumbags?

davet82

listermint wrote: »

i thought you were implying that the guards were blaming 'techno' music without valid reasons. The reasons i have alluded to in my post, mainly being venue choice. And crowd age range.

seems harsh on the other 59k people who behaved and enjoyed themselves to be tarring them with the same brush.

thats the only statement i made, i wasnt implying anything. The post was questions for discussion.

get it?

i hope so :P

listermint

davet82 wrote: »

thats the only statement i made, i wasnt implying anything. The post was questions for discussion.

get it?

i hope so :P

True, but i dont think they 'tarred' anyone. just the venue choice was not suitable due to the demographic of the crowd, i suppose.

davet82

davet82 wrote: »

thats the only statement i made, i wasnt implying anything. The post was questions for discussion.

I think if you put a "why" in front of this sentence it would be clearer

Does 'electronic music' have to have special consideration because of the people it attracts?

davet82

listermint wrote: »

True, but i dont think they 'tarred' anyone. just the venue choice was not suitable due to the demographic of the crowd, i suppose.

point taken

davet82

Deleted User wrote: »

I think if you put a "why" in front of this sentence it would be clearer

point taken too

you're messing with my head now :pac:

Nodin

I thought it was the Ketamine....

mikom

Greater consideration should be given to venue selection for electronic music.

Super Mario Bros to be only played in a locked bedroom from now on lads......... none of this "on the TV in the living room" shite.

leakyboots

Duggy747 wrote: »

This would never had happened if they let Big Tom play instead.

Tom's been in a bit of trouble himself recently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3aQyqdDhi4

xylophones

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I genuinely think that gig was infiltrated by one or two organised dealers and their henchmen. They should never have been admitted and if they were not, the gig would have turned out very different. Drugs should be brought in by punters and shared out like they always have. By letting in scumbag dealers you're asking for trouble.

people distributing drugs are scumbags,both organised and not. how do you differentiate between one scumbag and another?

hatrickpatrick

TBH I take electronic music to mean modern music using electronic equipment, eg electric guitars, keyboards, whatever. To distinguish it from classical music.

Not sure if that's what they mean but I presume that's what it means as they're not just talking about banning techno from the park but all future rock/pop events taking place there.

Side note, is it ok for us to discuss MCD's alleged failures at this concert seeing as it has now been mentioned by the Gardai themselves? Don't want to risk causing another sh!tstorm, I still remember the days when we weren't allowed to talk about upcoming U2 concerts because of their gag order :eek:

hatrickpatrick

xylophones wrote: »

people distributing drugs are scumbags,both organised and not. how do you differentiate between one scumbag and another?

Organized dealers tend to be the type of people who have no problem causing violence and carrying weapons around with them.
IMO the drug use is largely irrelevant as long as people aren't allowed to bring f*cking KNIVES into a concert with them. I'm sorry, but the type of person who regards it as appropriate to carry a knife with them "just in case" is the very definition of a "scumbag" and I think I speak for everyone when I say I'd rather not have to share a venue with them.

It's a bit like that stab fest at the Sandycove Forty Foot swimming inlet a couple of months back. Everyone blamed the fact that the lads were drinking, but if they hadn't been carrying knives and weapons the drink wouldn't have mattered, nobody would have got stabbed.

Drink and drugs are one thing, but it's the type of attitude you have prior to taking them which determines whether you'll be a murderous drunk or a fun one. Instead of targeting drink and drugs we should primarily be targeting people with weapons and people who are arriving to a gig with an obviously aggressive attitude.

StephenHendry

MCD have to take some responsibility but this thing of placing on the blame with the use of report is a bit too convenenient for the gardai. they have take some flak as well and not point the finger at mcd. anyway how do you control this sort of thing at concerts, the most recent oxegen festivals were marred by trouble the day afterwards by people being robbed, tents set on fire etc. so why is this getting so much attenction

xylophones

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Organized dealers tend to be the type of people who have no problem causing violence and carrying weapons around with them.
IMO the drug use is largely irrelevant as long as people aren't allowed to bring f*cking KNIVES into a concert with them. I'm sorry, but the type of person who regards it as appropriate to carry a knife with them "just in case" is the very definition of a "scumbag" and I think I speak for everyone when I say I'd rather not have to share a venue with them.

It's a bit like that stab fest at the Sandycove Forty Foot swimming inlet a couple of months back. Everyone blamed the fact that the lads were drinking, but if they hadn't been carrying knives and weapons the drink wouldn't have mattered, nobody would have got stabbed.

Drink and drugs are one thing, but it's the type of attitude you have prior to taking them which determines whether you'll be a murderous drunk or a fun one. Instead of targeting drink and drugs we should primarily be targeting people with weapons and people who are arriving to a gig with an obviously aggressive attitude.

or how about we dont put a whole load of scobes high off their heads in a confined space together? what with the type of people that this kind of concert attracts,its to be expected that there would be this kind of trouble.i mean in comparison,has anyone ever been stabbed,by a drug user,at the national concert hall? doubt it.

davet82

StephenHendry wrote: »

the most recent oxegen festivals were marred by trouble the day afterwards by people being robbed, tents set on fire etc. so why is this getting so much attenction

1. The incidents were more serious (2 deaths, 6 stabbings)

2. Because it was on the doorstep of a larger population of people (voters)

kirving

StephenHendry wrote: »

MCD have to take some responsibility but this thing of placing on the blame with the use of report is a bit too convenenient for the gardai. they have take some flak as well and not point the finger at mcd. anyway how do you control this sort of thing at concerts, the most recent oxegen festivals were marred by trouble the day afterwards by people being robbed, tents set on fire etc. so why is this getting so much attenction

Oyxgen is also organisaed by MCD, isn't it? What a co-incidence.

dilallio

Duggy747 wrote: »

This would never had happened if they let Big Tom play instead.

Not if he was playing with his band, The Mainliners.



http://www.yourdictionary.com/mainliner

transitive verb mainlined, mainlining

SLANG to inject (a narcotic drug) directly into a large vein

It would have been way worse

davet82

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0803/breaking30.html

A 22-year-old man accused of stabbing a tourist at a Swedish House Mafia concert in the Phoenix Park in Dublin last month has been granted bail

Mr Donnan has not yet entered pleas to the charges and the proceedings have already heard that the case would probably be sent forward to the Circuit Court and it could take about a year before a trial takes place

Back on the streets, seems like a strange decision seeing the seriousness of such an unprovoked attack, the Irish legal system is a puzzle to me.

Boombastic

davet82 wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0803/breaking30.html



Back on the streets, seems like a strange decision seeing the seriousness of such an unprovoked attack, the Irish legal system is a puzzle to me.

Ah sure he didn't mean it poor chap:rolleyes: