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Garda Report - MCD blamed for violence at SHM gig

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  • Registered Users Posts: 30,638 ✭✭✭✭ listermint


    davet82 wrote: »
    eh what exactly do you think i'm getting at? :confused:

    i thought you were implying that the guards were blaming 'techno' music without valid reasons. The reasons i have alluded to in my post, mainly being venue choice. And crowd age range.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,823 ✭✭✭✭ smash


    MCD did not have appropriate security measures in place for the Swedish House Mafia concert and associated crowd demographic.

    Do they mean scumbags?

    :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭ davet82


    listermint wrote: »
    i thought you were implying that the guards were blaming 'techno' music without valid reasons. The reasons i have alluded to in my post, mainly being venue choice. And crowd age range.
    seems harsh on the other 59k people who behaved and enjoyed themselves to be tarring them with the same brush.

    thats the only statement i made, i wasnt implying anything. The post was questions for discussion.

    get it?

    i hope so :P


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,638 ✭✭✭✭ listermint


    davet82 wrote: »
    thats the only statement i made, i wasnt implying anything. The post was questions for discussion.

    get it?

    i hope so :P

    True, but i dont think they 'tarred' anyone. just the venue choice was not suitable due to the demographic of the crowd, i suppose.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 53,069 ✭✭✭✭ whoopsadaisydoodles


    davet82 wrote: »
    thats the only statement i made, i wasnt implying anything. The post was questions for discussion.

    I think if you put a "why" in front of this sentence it would be clearer :p
    Does 'electronic music' have to have special consideration because of the people it attracts?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭ davet82


    listermint wrote: »
    True, but i dont think they 'tarred' anyone. just the venue choice was not suitable due to the demographic of the crowd, i suppose.

    point taken :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭ davet82


    I think if you put a "why" in front of this sentence it would be clearer :p

    point taken too :)

    you're messing with my head now :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭ Nodin


    I thought it was the Ketamine....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,392 ✭✭✭✭ mikom


    Greater consideration should be given to venue selection for electronic music.

    Super Mario Bros to be only played in a locked bedroom from now on lads......... none of this "on the TV in the living room" shite.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭ leakyboots


    Duggy747 wrote: »
    This would never had happened if they let Big Tom play instead.

    Tom's been in a bit of trouble himself recently


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭✭✭ xylophones


    I genuinely think that gig was infiltrated by one or two organised dealers and their henchmen. They should never have been admitted and if they were not, the gig would have turned out very different. Drugs should be brought in by punters and shared out like they always have. By letting in scumbag dealers you're asking for trouble.

    people distributing drugs are scumbags,both organised and not. how do you differentiate between one scumbag and another?


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,796 ✭✭✭✭ hatrickpatrick


    TBH I take electronic music to mean modern music using electronic equipment, eg electric guitars, keyboards, whatever. To distinguish it from classical music.

    Not sure if that's what they mean but I presume that's what it means as they're not just talking about banning techno from the park but all future rock/pop events taking place there.

    Side note, is it ok for us to discuss MCD's alleged failures at this concert seeing as it has now been mentioned by the Gardai themselves? Don't want to risk causing another sh!tstorm, I still remember the days when we weren't allowed to talk about upcoming U2 concerts because of their gag order :eek:


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,796 ✭✭✭✭ hatrickpatrick


    xylophones wrote: »
    people distributing drugs are scumbags,both organised and not. how do you differentiate between one scumbag and another?

    Organized dealers tend to be the type of people who have no problem causing violence and carrying weapons around with them.
    IMO the drug use is largely irrelevant as long as people aren't allowed to bring f*cking KNIVES into a concert with them. I'm sorry, but the type of person who regards it as appropriate to carry a knife with them "just in case" is the very definition of a "scumbag" and I think I speak for everyone when I say I'd rather not have to share a venue with them.

    It's a bit like that stab fest at the Sandycove Forty Foot swimming inlet a couple of months back. Everyone blamed the fact that the lads were drinking, but if they hadn't been carrying knives and weapons the drink wouldn't have mattered, nobody would have got stabbed.

    Drink and drugs are one thing, but it's the type of attitude you have prior to taking them which determines whether you'll be a murderous drunk or a fun one. Instead of targeting drink and drugs we should primarily be targeting people with weapons and people who are arriving to a gig with an obviously aggressive attitude.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,146 StephenHendry


    MCD have to take some responsibility but this thing of placing on the blame with the use of report is a bit too convenenient for the gardai. they have take some flak as well and not point the finger at mcd. anyway how do you control this sort of thing at concerts, the most recent oxegen festivals were marred by trouble the day afterwards by people being robbed, tents set on fire etc. so why is this getting so much attenction


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭✭✭ xylophones


    Organized dealers tend to be the type of people who have no problem causing violence and carrying weapons around with them.
    IMO the drug use is largely irrelevant as long as people aren't allowed to bring f*cking KNIVES into a concert with them. I'm sorry, but the type of person who regards it as appropriate to carry a knife with them "just in case" is the very definition of a "scumbag" and I think I speak for everyone when I say I'd rather not have to share a venue with them.

    It's a bit like that stab fest at the Sandycove Forty Foot swimming inlet a couple of months back. Everyone blamed the fact that the lads were drinking, but if they hadn't been carrying knives and weapons the drink wouldn't have mattered, nobody would have got stabbed.

    Drink and drugs are one thing, but it's the type of attitude you have prior to taking them which determines whether you'll be a murderous drunk or a fun one. Instead of targeting drink and drugs we should primarily be targeting people with weapons and people who are arriving to a gig with an obviously aggressive attitude.

    or how about we dont put a whole load of scobes high off their heads in a confined space together? what with the type of people that this kind of concert attracts,its to be expected that there would be this kind of trouble.i mean in comparison,has anyone ever been stabbed,by a drug user,at the national concert hall? doubt it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭ davet82


    the most recent oxegen festivals were marred by trouble the day afterwards by people being robbed, tents set on fire etc. so why is this getting so much attenction

    1. The incidents were more serious (2 deaths, 6 stabbings)

    2. Because it was on the doorstep of a larger population of people (voters)


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭ kirving


    MCD have to take some responsibility but this thing of placing on the blame with the use of report is a bit too convenenient for the gardai. they have take some flak as well and not point the finger at mcd. anyway how do you control this sort of thing at concerts, the most recent oxegen festivals were marred by trouble the day afterwards by people being robbed, tents set on fire etc. so why is this getting so much attenction

    Oyxgen is also organisaed by MCD, isn't it? What a co-incidence.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,728 ✭✭✭ dilallio


    Duggy747 wrote: »
    This would never had happened if they let Big Tom play instead.

    Not if he was playing with his band, The Mainliners.



    http://www.yourdictionary.com/mainliner
    transitive verb mainlined, mainlining

    SLANG to inject (a narcotic drug) directly into a large vein

    It would have been way worse :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭ davet82


    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0803/breaking30.html
    A 22-year-old man accused of stabbing a tourist at a Swedish House Mafia concert in the Phoenix Park in Dublin last month has been granted bail

    Mr Donnan has not yet entered pleas to the charges and the proceedings have already heard that the case would probably be sent forward to the Circuit Court and it could take about a year before a trial takes place

    Back on the streets, seems like a strange decision seeing the seriousness of such an unprovoked attack, the Irish legal system is a puzzle to me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 Boombastic


    davet82 wrote: »
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0803/breaking30.html



    Back on the streets, seems like a strange decision seeing the seriousness of such an unprovoked attack, the Irish legal system is a puzzle to me.

    Ah sure he didn't mean it poor chap:rolleyes:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,587 Pace2008


    davet82 wrote: »

    Does 'electronic music' have to have special consideration because of the people it attracts? IDK seems harsh on the other 59k people who behaved and enjoyed themselves to be tarring them with the same brush.
    Certain electronic artists may have to be given consideration. There are a handful who can draw large crowds - SHM, David Guetta, Deadmau5, Tiesto etc- and these also happen to be the ones who will attract scumbags and young people with **** all experience or sense when it comes to drink and drugs.

    However, as far as the general public was concerned , Forbidden Fruit didn't even exist yet it was held in the heart of Dublin, a stone's throw away from the Phoenix park, and had two days dedicated to electronic music. Electric Picnic again is very dance-centric but doesn't exactly have a reputation for trouble. And there are numerous small electronic festivals run throughout the summer months that pass under the radar as the crowd stayed on their best behaviour. All of these events would have had more than their share of hedonistic drink and drug use, but as the report suggests, it is the demographic in attendance, rather than the style of music or use of mind-altering substances, that make the difference. So hopefully hope the authorities will have the good sense to realise that it's simply a small subset of the genre that could cause grievance, rather than crack down hard on any form of sound manipulation that contains a 4/4 beat.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,710 Paully D


    It'll be interesting to see if there's much trouble at the David Guetta concert in Marley Park. It'll probably attract a similar crowd.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,065 ✭✭✭ leggo


    Aside from the laughable 'electronic music' reference and the Gardaí playing dumb about not being briefed on the type of crowd expected, I think the report nails it. I said in the original SHM topic that I worked af these events years back and what they describe is exactly what I went through: No communication, often completely contradictory orders as MCD change the plan midway through the event and just a general feeling that you're 'getting away with it', by no major trouble breaking out despite us being wholly unprepared for such an occurrence.

    Working events for them versus Aiken is like night and day. I loved Aiken events: relaxed, but organised and professional. Aiken also supplied enough of their own staff to communicate with the likes of us on the doors etc. So the punters can chill out and enjoy the day but the job still gets done. The way it should be. And there's far less self-important dicks to deal with, too.

    And yet they'll continue to get away with it (save for a few token gestures to save face) because they do big business. Typical. Their reaction to this showed up their greedy, nasty core. That's one company I would absolutely love to see go downhill.


  • Registered Users Posts: 648 VEN


    conorhal wrote: »
    and I could only wonder where are the Guards?

    they're all over in Corrib, all 4,000 of them, handy number


  • Registered Users Posts: 283 ✭✭ validusername1


    Hardly MCD's fault people were stabbed - the people who did the stabbings should be the ones getting the blame! Sure, MCD could've taken better measures to prevent those sort of things, but in fairness, the type of people who carry knives to gigs with them would probably have no bother finding an alternative method of violence if their weapons were confiscated. Just don't like how people try to blame security/guards/etc when they're not the ones who went around stabbing people.. But really, does it even matter who the media tries to blame? Either way, you know they're gonna get nothing or a slap on the wrist for what they did, even though they deserve more


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭ Hank_Jones


    Boombastic wrote: »
    Ah sure he didn't mean it poor chap:rolleyes:

    He's a product of his environment sure.....


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,703 ✭✭✭ ASOT


    Pace2008 wrote: »
    Certain electronic artists may have to be given consideration. There are a handful who can draw large crowds - SHM, David Guetta, Deadmau5, Tiesto etc- and these also happen to be the ones who will attract scumbags and young people with **** all experience or sense when it comes to drink and drugs.

    However, as far as the general public was concerned , Forbidden Fruit didn't even exist yet it was held in the heart of Dublin, a stone's throw away from the Phoenix park, and had two days dedicated to electronic music. Electric Picnic again is very dance-centric but doesn't exactly have a reputation for trouble. And there are numerous small electronic festivals run throughout the summer months that pass under the radar as the crowd stayed on their best behaviour. All of these events would have had more than their share of hedonistic drink and drug use, but as the report suggests, it is the demographic in attendance, rather than the style of music or use of mind-altering substances, that make the difference. So hopefully hope the authorities will have the good sense to realise that it's simply a small subset of the genre that could cause grievance, rather than crack down hard on any form of sound manipulation that contains a 4/4 beat.

    That's the thing, I've seen all of them in about four different countries and there was nothing near that sort of carry on that went on here. So IMO it's not necessarily the music but more the people we have living here!


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,937 ✭✭✭✭ Grayson


    Hank_Jones wrote: »
    He's a product of his environment sure.....

    But it's ok. He's in special classes for anger and alcohol.


  • Registered Users Posts: 579 ✭✭✭ cometogether


    For me the problem is with the SHM fans rather than the organisation of the gigs


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,292 ✭✭✭ mickydoomsux


    Dance music attracts scobes and Irish people have a terrible attitude to drink/drugs.

    Throw all that into the centre of the scummiest city in the country and what do you expect to happen?


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