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RTE Two HD on Sky [Merged]

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    #722
    channelsurfer2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,594 ✭✭✭channelsurfer2


    got an email from the BAI yesterday in response to my complaint confirming the change and that SKY and RTE had been made aware.


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    #723
    Pete2k
    Registered Users Posts: 290 ✭✭Pete2k


    channelsurfer2 wrote: »
    got an email from the BAI yesterday in response to my complaint confirming the change and that SKY and RTE had been made aware.

    So the only reason it's free is that they were made to change it. Good to see them not getting their own way for once!


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    #724
    Zardoz
    Registered Users Posts: 5,573 ✭✭✭Zardoz


    Is RTE 2 HD really HD ?
    I was watching the Cork-Tipperary match today and the picture was appalling ,I was straining my eye to see the ball.

    The picture on RTE 2 SD was like a web stream .
    SD channels seem to be deteriorating every year ,is it some ploy to encourage people to go to HD ?


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    #725
    Brian017
    Registered Users Posts: 2,872 ✭✭✭Brian017


    Zardoz wrote: »
    Is RTE 2 HD really HD ?
    I was watching the Cork-Tipperary match today and the picture was appalling ,I was straining my eye to see the ball.

    The picture on RTE 2 SD was like a web stream .
    SD channels seem to be deteriorating every year ,is it some ploy to encourage people to go to HD ?

    Only select GAA matches are in HD. Think they're showing about 12 in HD with the Kildare vs Meath match next week being the first.


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    #726
    Johnny Johnson
    Registered Users Posts: 201 ✭✭Johnny Johnson


    Zardoz wrote: »
    Is RTE 2 HD really HD ?
    I was watching the Cork-Tipperary match today and the picture was appalling ,I was straining my eye to see the ball.

    It wasn't appalling on my television.


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    #727
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    mackersdublin wrote: »
    Can anyone confirm if this is the case in Northern Ireland too, or do u have to have the HD pack?

    Thanks

    I would say you have raised a valid question. Those in NI who are Sky customers should have reasonable expectations to the receive RTE stations without additional charges being lobbed on by Sky.

    Broadcasting law requires RTÉ’s radio and television services to have the character of a public service, to be offered free-to-air and to be universally available, where practicable, to the whole community on the island of Ireland.

    I would say it would be a practical condition of any must carry offer.


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    #728
    Strawberry HillBilly
    Registered Users Posts: 380 ✭✭Strawberry HillBilly


    Zardoz wrote: »
    Is RTE 2 HD really HD ?
    I was watching the Cork-Tipperary match today and the picture was appalling ,I was straining my eye to see the ball.

    The picture on RTE 2 SD was like a web stream .
    SD channels seem to be deteriorating every year ,is it some ploy to encourage people to go to HD ?

    Totally agree with this poster - picture was shockingly poor on Saorview and SKY RTE2HD - is any justifiable reason why these games are not shown in HD ? What is relative cost of HD feed versus SD feed ?


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    #729
    Zardoz
    Registered Users Posts: 5,573 ✭✭✭Zardoz


    Brian017 wrote: »
    Only select GAA matches are in HD. Think they're showing about 12 in HD with the Kildare vs Meath match next week being the first.
    Thanks for the info.

    The Kilkenny-Dublin match yesterday looked HD ,picture was sharp,far better than the crap today .


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    #730
    muffler
    Registered Users Posts: 45,837 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    I watched the England - Italy game tonight on RTE HD (Sky) and the picture quality was great.


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    #731
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,350 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Right now RTE are using three types of feed for their GAA broadcasts atm (it's easy to tell by looking at the full 1080i picture and taking a look at the borders).

    The HD feeds have no borders (maybe 1/2 pixels but not much). Even when downscaled and upscaled, these still look good.

    The first SD feed has black borders, and the other SD feed has black borders with fading grey borders. The feed with fading always looks terrible, and the other one looks alright, but not great.

    I'm not sure of the technicalities of these feeds but that's what I've noticed.

    The Cork Tipp match today was the feed with the fading edges, and looked very poor.


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    #732
    zg3409
    Registered Users Posts: 6,590 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Strawberry HillBilly wrote: »
    Totally agree with this poster - picture was shockingly poor on Saorview and SKY RTE2HD - is any justifiable reason why these games are not shown in HD ? What is relative cost of HD feed versus SD feed ?

    It is probably limited equipment. They would of course like to broadcast everything in HD but for practical reasons budgets are limited and the amount of outside broadcast units that are fully HD are limited.

    I agree sports should be given priority over other types of live broadcasts, but cameras, vans, editing suites etc all cost hard cash. RTE budgets are to the bone at the moment, so compromises are inevitable. RTE had intended a whole new set of studios and buildings during the boom but during a bust it's not going to happen.....


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    #733
    channelsurfer2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,594 ✭✭✭channelsurfer2


    had a check on my ariva box last night during the england-italy match and bbc1 hd was broadcasting at around 1900kbs while rte2hd was at 900kbs, almost half the quality and you could see the difference. on the other hand 5USA was broadcasting at 192kbs... yes that low...


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    #734
    Patty O Furniture
    Registered Users Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭Patty O Furniture


    Zardoz wrote: »
    Is RTE 2 HD really HD ?
    I was watching the Cork-Tipperary match today and the picture was appalling ,I was straining my eye to see the ball.

    The picture on RTE 2 SD was like a web stream .
    SD channels seem to be deteriorating every year ,is it some ploy to encourage people to go to HD ?

    Here is a list of gaa games available: http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2012/0511/320597-vcxvcv/


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    #735
    seanp_25
    Registered Users Posts: 230 ✭✭seanp_25


    marno21 wrote: »
    Right now RTE are using three types of feed for their GAA broadcasts atm (it's easy to tell by looking at the full 1080i picture and taking a look at the borders).

    The HD feeds have no borders (maybe 1/2 pixels but not much). Even when downscaled and upscaled, these still look good.

    The first SD feed has black borders, and the other SD feed has black borders with fading grey borders. The feed with fading always looks terrible, and the other one looks alright, but not great.

    I'm not sure of the technicalities of these feeds but that's what I've noticed.

    The Cork Tipp match today was the feed with the fading edges, and looked very poor.

    Exactly right. I've come to notice this too. The live HD feed (as in live Euro 2012 games) has no borders. The studio analysis is SD, but it looks OK. This has black borders around the sides (actually the width of the border changes when they change camera shot (for example from Bill to Eamon :D ).

    The one with the fading edges you mention is the one used for some outside broadcasts, I've noticed this on some live Airtricity League games. Looks terrible.


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    #736
    p.oconnor
    Registered Users Posts: 548 ✭✭✭p.oconnor


    muffler wrote: »
    I watched the England - Italy game tonight on RTE HD (Sky) and the picture quality was great.

    Ya a couple of people in our house remarked on how good the match was on RTE 2HD on sky, flicked between RTE and BBC and on our television at least RTE's picture quality made BBC HD quality look ordinary at best. Well done RTE! .... and I don't say that often :)


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    #737
    zg3409
    Registered Users Posts: 6,590 ✭✭✭zg3409


    channelsurfer2 wrote: »
    got an email from the BAI yesterday in response to my complaint confirming the change and that SKY and RTE had been made aware.

    Got a similar response by post too.

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    #738
    Mr. Rabbit
    Registered Users Posts: 778 ✭✭✭Mr. Rabbit


    Those in NI who are Sky customers should have reasonable expectations to the receive RTE stations without additional charges being lobbed on by Sky.


    Careful now :D


    Ya a couple of people in our house remarked on how good the match was on RTE 2HD on sky, flicked between RTE and BBC and on our television at least RTE's picture quality made BBC HD quality look ordinary at best. Well done RTE! .... and I don't say that often smile.gif

    Except for viewers in NI. Just a blank screen here.

    Thank goodness for BBC1 HD (No UTV HD yet either.)


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    #739
    p.oconnor
    Registered Users Posts: 548 ✭✭✭p.oconnor


    Mr. Rabbit wrote: »
    Except for viewers in NI. Just a blank screen here.

    Thank goodness for BBC1 HD (No UTV HD yet either.)

    Can you not get RTE HD on Saorview? Isnt the programming on UTV almost identical to that of ITV anyway except for the news?


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    #740
    TeaServer
    Registered Users Posts: 157 ✭✭TeaServer


    Has RTE2HD disappeared from the Sky EPG for anyone else this evening?

    HD+ Box, SD subscription


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    #741
    p.oconnor
    Registered Users Posts: 548 ✭✭✭p.oconnor


    TeaServer wrote: »
    Has RTE2HD disappeared from the Sky EPG for anyone else this evening?

    HD+ Box, SD subscription

    Channel 227 for me, the number of the channel was changed today.


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    #742
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    TeaServer wrote: »
    Has RTE2HD disappeared from the Sky EPG for anyone else this evening?

    HD+ Box, SD subscription

    It's been moved to 227.


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    #743
    dublinbusdude
    Registered Users Posts: 449 ✭✭dublinbusdude


    Why did Sky change the channels round?


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    #744
    TeaServer
    Registered Users Posts: 157 ✭✭TeaServer


    p.oconnor wrote: »
    Channel 227 for me, the number of the channel was changed today.

    Yeah, its the same for me. I was just inputting the old channel number. I probably should have looked through the listing properly!

    Thanks

    /T


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    #745
    paulhardman
    Registered Users Posts: 273 ✭✭paulhardman


    p.oconnor wrote: »
    Channel 227 for me, the number of the channel was changed today.

    Still on 102 for me (Sky+HD box with HD sub)... 227 has the SD version.


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    #746
    Keithl2156
    Registered Users Posts: 35 ✭Keithl2156


    I think there is a problem with either RTÉ or Sky not flagging programmes that should be in HD ?? HD content is available but the orange print (Or yellow on the new EPG) is very scarce even though programmes are In HD ,,


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    #747
    Keithl2156
    Registered Users Posts: 35 ✭Keithl2156


    dublinbusdude wrote: »
    Why did Sky change the channels round?

    Sky changed the channel line up because the EPG numbers for different sections were up very high e.g some entertainment channels were up at 290 ( sky arts 2 and 297 for RTÉ two HD/SD. so now there is more room to launch new channels without skipping too many numbers


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    #748
    Zardoz
    Registered Users Posts: 5,573 ✭✭✭Zardoz


    The All Ireland hurling quarter finals today were supposed to be in HD.
    Just watching the highlights now on the Sunday Game and the picture is dreadful for a supposedly HD feed.
    It looks like a mix between SD and HD.
    Very hard to see the ball,the numbers on the players backs are a blur,the hoardings are blurry too and the ball is hard to see.

    The contrast between the Olympics in HD and the hurling is startling .


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    #749
    Aquos76
    Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 9,031 Mod ✭✭✭✭Aquos76


    Both hurling matches were broadcast on RTE 1 today which isn't in HD, that's probably why the highlights look so bad.


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    #750
    Zardoz
    Registered Users Posts: 5,573 ✭✭✭Zardoz


    Aquos76 wrote: »
    Both hurling matches were broadcast on RTE 1 today which isn't in HD, that's probably why the highlights look so bad.
    Fair enough ,I didnt realise that.
    The matches today were supposed to be 2 of the 13 matches broadcast in HD this year but due to the Olympics they only used SD.


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    #751
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,030 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Zardoz wrote: »
    The All Ireland hurling quarter finals today were supposed to be in HD.
    Just watching the highlights now

    Highlights won't be in HD until RTE fully equip their studios for HD.This would take a long time even if they weren't broke.
    Even if the live game is in HD, the highlights will be in SD.

    Life ain't always empty.



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