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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    There is absolutely no legitimate reason any sane person would want to posses 6,000 rounds of ammunition or several automatic or semi automatic weapons.

    ....?

    ...because they collect firearms and shoot a lot?


  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,053 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    Is there anything in place where a dealer has to report someone buying unusually high amounts of ammo and such? Would the amount of rounds this guy bought be considered unusually high?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    How did he manage to amass so many weapons without any alarms going off anywhere?

    If you think two handguns, a shotgun and an AR-15 is "amassing" weapons, you really do need to learn more about the average male in Colorado.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭fishy fishy


    it always has to come back to spuds.......:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    it always has to come back to spuds.......:D


    Its the staff of life, the spud.


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  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,053 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    it always has to come back to spuds.......:D

    Lets not forget spud-guns and other potatoe related fire arms!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,923 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Nodin wrote: »
    ...because they collect firearms and shoot a lot?

    And you know, you could still kill a room full of people with one firearm and far less than 6,000 rounds. I don't see why quantity comes into it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    Is there anything in place where a dealer has to report someone buying unusually high amounts of ammo and such? Would the amount of rounds this guy bought be considered unusually high?

    Not really, a brick is 500 rounds. A case 1,000-ish rounds.

    With an AR-15 you could easily shoot 500 rounds a session if you could afford it. So he only bought enough for 12 sessions at the range. That wouldn't set off any alarm bells for a bulk purchase. 60,000 might.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    o1s1n wrote: »
    And you know, you could still kill a room full of people with one firearm and far less than 6,000 rounds. I don't see why quantity comes into it.

    1 firearm = evil.

    2 firearms = Evil!

    etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Nodin wrote: »
    1 firearm = evil.

    2 firearms = Evil!

    etc.

    Firearm that looks like something used by the military = evil personified


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,964 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    The famine? :pac:

    Hardly a massacre by a nutcase though.


  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,053 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Hardly a massacre by a nutcase though.

    I used a pac face, I was hardly being serious. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭fishy fishy


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Hardly a massacre by a nutcase though.

    you're right - it was a load of nut cases that caused that famine


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    There is absolutely no legitimate reason any sane person would want to posses 6,000 rounds of ammunition or several automatic or semi automatic weapons.

    If guns must be legal, they must also be limited sensibly. How did he manage to amass so many weapons without any alarms going off anywhere?

    Eh, no offence, but just because you don't know one doesn't mean there aren't any. I'm a competitive shooter. Part of staying competitive is religiously testing ammunition, because it's not all the same and comparatively little of it will actually shoot well enough in any individual gun to be useful, and what my gun loves, yours might not. As such, when we test ammunition, we buy in bulk, at a bare minimum of 5,000 rounds at a time, in order to ensure supply until we get a chance to test again. As noted above, that still leaves me testing twice a year at a minimum. Now, since the places to test are Birmingham or two different cities in Germany, it makes sense to buy a lot, and over 10,000 would be far from unusual.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,964 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    I used a pac face, I was hardly being serious. :)

    Neither am I.

    :):D :P :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    you're right - it was a load of nut cases that caused that famine

    Yeah, those total nut-jobs socio-economic conditions and lassaiz-faire philosophy :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,964 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Eh, no offence, but just because you don't know one doesn't mean there aren't any. I'm a competitive shooter. Part of staying competitive is religiously testing ammunition, because it's not all the same and comparatively little of it will actually shoot well enough in any individual gun to be useful, and what my gun loves, yours might not. As such, when we test ammunition, we buy in bulk, at a bare minimum of 5,000 rounds at a time, in order to ensure supply until we get a chance to test again. As noted above, that still leaves me testing twice a year at a minimum. Now, since the places to test are Birmingham or two different cities in Germany, it makes sense to buy a lot, and over 10,000 would be far from unusual.

    ...and one way to restrict access is for the buyer to prove he's a member of a competitive club. Perhaps the club can also vouch for that person.

    There are plenty of restrictions that can be put in place to help put a stop to this kind of massacre.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    Tony EH wrote: »
    ...and one way to restrict access is for the buyer to prove he's a member of a competitive club. Perhaps the club can also vouch for that person.

    There are plenty of restrictions that can be put in place to help put a stop to this kind of massacre.

    The problem is there really aren't, not easily, or without impinging awkwardly on others. I mean, what have my club to do with me buying ammo? When I test, I commit to a quantity, then have it imported. At no point are the club informed or involved, and such would be impractical. Who's going to contact them? Who are they going to talk to? What's going to be said? I mean, my club has hundreds of members, so who's to say that whoever they contact is going to know me offhand and be able to give them any useful information? I don't log expended ammo per training session, nor is it consistent. Even if clubs were to vouch for someone, what are they going to say? "Yeah, I know him. Doesn't seem like a psychopath." That's hardly a qualified opinion either, is it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,302 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    MadsL wrote: »
    You might want to look up Open Carry. There is a long list of OC countries. Even one in Europe - the Czech republic, also Czech gun law allow its citizens to carry a concealed weapon without having any specific reason.

    I've had a gun pulled on me twice out there, once by a cop, one by a pissed off taxi driver.

    http://www.conservapedia.com/Open_carry

    ROFLMAO!!!!

    Sorry for taking so long to get back but seriously: I ROFLAMAOed so much I had to get my backside surgically re attached.

    I said that I reckoned the USA was the only "otherwise normal democracy" to allow its citizens the right by default to walk down the high street carrying a loaded firearm and you attempted to refute that statement by linking to a list of "paradise on earth" countries that includes Somalia, Eritrea, Afghanistan, Sierra Leone and some other places best avoided!!

    Here is a list of the countries you linked to. I have included each country's per capita GDP and its average life expectancy, information gleaned from the CIA's World Factbook which I am sure the authors of Conservapedia would accept as reputable.

    There are NO European countries on it, not even the Czech republic. The ones in bold are countries that do NOT have open carry. I just put in the EU, Australia and Ireland by means of comparison.

    As you can see, they include some of the poorest, and most benighted countries on earth, with the exception of the USA and Israel. And in the latter case, whatever about its status as a democracy Israel can hardly be said to exist in a state of normalcy given that its very existence or at least the extent of its borders is questioned, to say the least, by a significant minority inside its jurisdiction.

    Bottom line: America can keep its insane gun laws as far as I am concerned. It is a matter for the US people to address and change as they see fit. They have the entitlement and the machinery to do it. But they have their priorities WRONG as a country as things stand at the moment.

    If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, there are a lot of ugly people sucking up to the yanks on this one. Any sane country comports itself differently.

    Country Average Life expectancy ( years) Av Life Ex Rank Per capita GDP ($) Per Capita GDP Rank
    Australia 81.9 9 40,800 22
    Israel, 81.07 18 31,400 41
    Ireland 80.32 26 40,100 23
    EU 79.76 36 34,500 38
    USA 78.49 50 49,000 11
    Sri Lanka 75.94 82 5,700 144
    Lebanon, 75.23 91 15,700 78
    Turkey 72.77 125 14,700 86
    Iraq, 70.85 144 3,900 162
    India 67.14 160 3,700 164
    Pakistan 66.35 165 2,800 174
    Yemen, 64.11 171 2,300 185
    Kenya, 63.07 176 1,800 195
    Eritrea, 62.86 178 700 221
    Sudan, 62.57 182 2,800 173
    Burundi, 59.24 190 600 223
    Rwanda, 58.44 192 1,400 202
    Ethiopia, 56.56 195 1,100 212
    Sierra Leone, 56.55 196 900 216
    Dem Rep Congo, 55.74 198 400 226
    Niger, 53.8 203 800 220
    Uganda 53.45 204 1,300 203
    Mali, 53.06 206 1,100 209
    Zambia. 52.57 207 1,600 198
    Somalia, 50.8 215 600 222
    Afghanistan 49.72 217 1,000 213
    South Africa, 49.41 219 11,100 105
    Chad 48.69 221 1,900 193


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,895 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    Is there anything in place where a dealer has to report someone buying unusually high amounts of ammo and such? Would the amount of rounds this guy bought be considered unusually high?

    No. I own far more firearms than that, and I've seen plenty of collections which put mine to shame. I've about 1,500 rounds of 5.56mm alone, and anything from 100-400 of other calibres (eg 100x .303, 400 x7.62x51)

    The other little item is that once you get over about 400 rounds and two firearms, it's all academic anyway. A case of 1,000 rounds of 5.56mm ammunition is a tad over 13kg, you're normally using both hands. My battle loadout in my webbing in Afghanistan and Iraq was about 300 rounds, which is unusually high: 210 is the 'Army standard'. Since you only have two hands, you can only be shooting two weapons at once, and you still need to drop one to reload. Doesn't really matter that he had 6,000 rounds of ammunition sitting in his house. He certainly didn't bring it into the cinema with him, unless he was hauling a trailer.

    NTM


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,302 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    ROFLMAO!!!!

    Sorry for taking so long to get back but seriously: I ROFLAMAOed so much I had to get my backside surgically re attached.

    I said that I reckoned the USA was the only "otherwise normal democracy" to allow its citizens the right by default to walk down the high street carrying a loaded firearm and you attempted to refute that statement by linking to a list of "paradise on earth" countries that includes Somalia, Eritrea, Afghanistan, Sierra Leone and some other places best avoided!!

    Here is a list of the countries you linked to.

    Sorry. Slight boo boo.

    I didn't include the countries in Latin America on the Conservapedia list.

    They are included in the table below. And I have reordered the ranking. The last one ranked countries in terms of their life expectancy ranking. This one does it on per capita GDP.

    Some additions to the lower end. :)

    Country Average Life expectancy ( years) Av Life Ex Rank Per capita GDP ($) Per Capita GDP Rank
    USA 78.49 50 49,000 11
    Australia 81.9 9 40,800 22
    Ireland 80.32 26 40,100 23
    EU 79.76 36 34,500 38
    Israel, 81.07 18 31,400 41
    Lebanon, 75.23 91 15,700 78
    Turkey 72.77 125 14,700 86
    Brazil 72.79 123 11,900 101
    South Africa, 49.41 219 11,100 105
    Colombia 74.79 97 10,400 108
    Ecuador 75.94 83 8,600 120
    Guyana, 67.39 159 7,600 129
    El Salvador, 73.69 115 7,600 130
    Sri Lanka 75.94 82 5,700 144
    Honduras 70.71 145 4,400 159
    Iraq, 70.85 144 3,900 162
    India 67.14 160 3,700 164
    Nicaragua 72.18 129 3,200 170
    Sudan, 62.57 182 2,800 173
    Pakistan 66.35 165 2,800 174
    Yemen, 64.11 171 2,300 185
    Chad 48.69 221 1,900 193
    Kenya, 63.07 176 1,800 195
    Zambia. 52.57 207 1,600 198
    Rwanda, 58.44 192 1,400 202
    Uganda 53.45 204 1,300 203
    Mali, 53.06 206 1,100 209
    Ethiopia, 56.56 195 1,100 212
    Afghanistan 49.72 217 1,000 213
    Sierra Leone, 56.55 196 900 216
    Niger, 53.8 203 800 220
    Eritrea, 62.86 178 700 221
    Somalia, 50.8 215 600 222
    Burundi, 59.24 190 600 223
    Dem Rep Congo, 55.74 198 400 226


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    ROFLMAO!!!!

    Sorry for taking so long to get back but seriously: I ROFLAMAOed so much I had to get my backside surgically re attached.

    I'm glad you are so easily amused, must be a riot going for a drink with you. What with the LOLs and your arse faling off.
    I said that I reckoned the USA was the only "otherwise normal democracy" to allow its citizens the right by default to walk down the high street carrying a loaded firearm and you attempted to refute that statement by linking to a list of "paradise on earth" countries that includes Somalia, Eritrea, Afghanistan, Sierra Leone and some other places best avoided!!

    Nope, I linked to a normal democracy that "allow its citizens the right by default to walk down the high street carrying a loaded firearm". It's in Europe, and people are not dying of starvation on the streets or whatever that long and boring list of capita GDPs and life expectancy was supposed to prove.
    Here is a list of the countries you linked to. I have included each country's per capita GDP and its average life expectancy, information gleaned from the CIA's World Factbook which I am sure the authors of Conservapedia would accept as reputable.

    There are NO European countries on it, not even the Czech republic.

    Then it is error, because here is the statute in Czech Law
    http://zbranekvalitne.cz/legislativa/119-2002
    As you can see, they include some of the poorest, and most benighted countries on earth, with the exception of the USA and Israel. And in the latter case, whatever about its status as a democracy Israel can hardly be said to exist in a state of normalcy given that its very existence or at least the extent of its borders is questioned, to say the least, by a significant minority inside its jurisdiction.

    Interesting, now you are relating gun law to states of normalcy and the value of a country's democracy. What a bizarre comparison to make.
    Bottom line: America can keep its insane gun laws as far as I am concerned. It is a matter for the US people to address and change as they see fit.
    Yes, it is. Made more complex by both State and Federal constitutions.
    They have the entitlement and the machinery to do it. But they have their priorities WRONG as a country as things stand at the moment.

    Personally, I think access to medicine and education about diet are probably bigger issues for Americans, but you are entitled to your opinion.
    If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, there are a lot of ugly people sucking up to the yanks on this one.
    I'm really not sure what to make of this quite insulting statement. I'm sure the Irish Olympic shooters would be quite insulted by that notion.
    Any sane country comports itself differently.

    And for good measure you just insulted my Czech friends again.
    You might have missed the fact (posted earlier) that 7/10 countries with the highest murder rate with firearms have restrictive gun controls.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    "A Colorado man who survived Friday's "Dark Knight Rises" tragedy is blaming Warner Bros. for a massacre that traumatized him and left his friend dead.

    Torrence Brown, Jr. plans to sue Warner Bros., the Century 16 theater, and even shooting suspect James Holmes' doctors over the trauma he endured, TMZ reported Tuesday.

    Brown's attorney Donald Karpel blamed Warner Bros. for dramatizing violence that Holmes mimicked, TMZ reported. The moviegoers were particularly helpless because they assumed Holmes was part of the show, the lawyer pointed out.

    "Somebody has to be responsible for the rampant violence that is shown today," Karpel told TMZ.
    The theater is also responsible because it had an unguarded emergency door that Holmes apparently entered, while the shooting suspect's doctors prescribed many medications for him without keeping an eye their patient, Karpel argued.
    A spokeswoman for Warner Bros. declined to comment"



    http://www.businessinsider.com/first-lawsuit-over-dark-knight-rises-shooting-2012-7#ixzz21ZBtLNbd


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    "A Colorado man who survived Friday's "Dark Knight Rises" tragedy is blaming Warner Bros. for a massacre that traumatized him and left his friend dead.

    Torrence Brown, Jr. plans to sue Warner Bros., the Century 16 theater, and even shooting suspect James Holmes' doctors over the trauma he endured, TMZ reported Tuesday.

    Brown's attorney Donald Karpel blamed Warner Bros. for dramatizing violence that Holmes mimicked, TMZ reported. The moviegoers were particularly helpless because they assumed Holmes was part of the show, the lawyer pointed out.

    "Somebody has to be responsible for the rampant violence that is shown today," Karpel told TMZ.
    The theater is also responsible because it had an unguarded emergency door that Holmes apparently entered, while the shooting suspect's doctors prescribed many medications for him without keeping an eye their patient, Karpel argued.
    A spokeswoman for Warner Bros. declined to comment"



    http://www.businessinsider.com/first-lawsuit-over-dark-knight-rises-shooting-2012-7#ixzz21ZBtLNbd
    Think I might sue Torrence Brown Jr for glorifying frivolous lawsuits.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,302 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    MadsL wrote: »
    Nope, I linked to a normal democracy that "allow its citizens the right by default to walk down the high street carrying a loaded firearm". It's in Europe,

    No you didn't. You linked to a Conservapedia page that has no European countries on it. Not even the Czech republic.

    MadsL wrote: »
    Then it is error, because here is the statute in Czech Law
    http://zbranekvalitne.cz/legislativa/119-2002

    I'll have to take your word for that because Ni thuigim Czech. :)

    Are you now saying that apart from the USA and Czech Republic the only countries that allow "open carry" are the ones on the Conservapedia list? I'm keen to learn.

    MadsL wrote: »
    Interesting, now you are relating gun law to states of normalcy and the value of a country's democracy. What a bizarre comparison to make.
    That's exactly what I'm doing. It's a perfectly fair comparison to make. MOST of the countries that allow people to walk around carrying loaded guns are basket cases.
    MadsL wrote: »
    I'm really not sure what to make of this quite insulting statement. I'm sure the Irish Olympic shooters would be quite insulted by that notion.

    I have no problem with the Irish Olympic shooters doing what they do with their firearms. Nor do I have a problem at all with people owning firearms for purposes such as vermin control, hunting for the pot or even inanimate target practice such as clay pigeon shooting etc. But that's not "open carry" as described by yourself.

    If the average person needs to walk around town carrying a loaded weapon just to feel safe, (the default situation in the US) there's something wrong with that society.

    MadsL wrote: »
    I'm glad you are so easily amused, must be a riot going for a drink with you. What with the LOLs and your arse faling off.

    Well that's a winning argument. The debate is yours. :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭Reindeer


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    Is there anything in place where a dealer has to report someone buying unusually high amounts of ammo and such? Would the amount of rounds this guy bought be considered unusually high?

    Dear Lord. I am so sorry guys, but I've written another novella. See what happens when you have time on your hands? :


    http://ammoman.com/c/8/223-556

    5,56 is typically sold in large batches. The more you purchase, the better the costs. During the 2000's, I had personally purchased several thousand rounds of all manner of ammunition from them. I have also, in my lifetime, owned roughly 2 dozen different types of firearms, some machineguns, one of which was definitely an assault rifle - an HK53. One weekend I put 2400 rounds of 5.56 through it. Compared to my Texan compatriots, I am not considered a very gun-oriented person. Most of my preliminary gun decisions were made for me by my friends, and I took it from there into hunting and bench rest target shooting.

    Some states have considered limited ammunition. The road block to that is several recent Supreme Court precedents and decisions which have clearly stated that, in order to protect the right, that all individual parts of the right are equally protected as the right. Most recently the Supreme Court demonstrated this when it came to Super Pac fund raising organizations. Because it has been shown that it is necessary for the media to have funding in order to promote their 1st Amendment right to speech, the court could not abridge the right of SuperPAC's to donate funding to politicians. I don't necessarily agree with it (as well as some gun laws, I might add), but that is the law of the land right there.

    This same precedent and decision have led to the Supreme Court finding the handgun ban in Washington DC unconstitutional, as well as parts of the law that forced the owners to store the weapon unloaded, locked, or disassembled. This was one of The Court's first nods to self-defense being a right. In order to exercise the right to self defense, the gun owner should not be forced to store a firearm completely disassembled, or otherwise made inoperable.

    The Supreme Court has also acknowledged that firearm ownership is an individual's right, and not simply a state's right.

    While I realise many of the persons here are simply venting their frustration, and I do not blame them. Remember, I am living in the middle of it. Or, well, at least in the northwest corner of it. I'm not sure some of the folks commenting here on further gun safety realise just how powerful the second amendment is. I do not expect commenters to be well-versed in US constitutional laws, but I do think a further understanding of how the US became this way, and will stay this way for the foreseeable future, might temper their statements. There is a wealth of knowledge regarding the US Constitutional available on line.

    As I said previously, between the amount of firearms available in the US to all parties, the second amendment, and the Supreme Court, that passing future firearms regulations with any real teeth will be difficult.

    Let us not also forget the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause:
    "no state shall ... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
    In other words, the supreme law in the states must be applied to all citizens in the same manner. The state government can not show favouritism or leniency and subjectively or perform arbitrarily in enforcing it's own laws, either.

    Many are debating a psychological requirement. We'll ignore the fact Ireland itself doesn't require this, however. The Supreme Court has ruled it is unconstitutional to require unreasonable costs in exercising a person's right. Health care in the US is not socialised as it is in Ireland. In the US, a GP's word on mental health is not enough to declare someone mentally insolvent in most states. You must have a professional psychologist interact with the person in question for several hours, usually at the cost of several hundred dollars. In order for such a law to pass the constitutional test, the state would have to pay for this review. Since they sell millions of firearms in the States every year, this would incur a cost in the billions to the states. It seems that such a law is extremely unlikely to be enacted. Passing a requirement for those that purchase firearms to pay several hundred dollars for the right to even apply to own a firearm is unlikely to pass both the scrutiny of the 2nd and 14th amendments.

    I have been labelled defeatist, and perhaps uncaring for the enactment of any new laws. But I am simply laying before you what I see as the hurdles to such new regulations. I have said it before, and say again: The second amendment is the main hurdle you must manage first. And, it seems highly likely the 14th amendment will also have to be tackled as well. I have stated previously, there have been over 10,000 new amendments tabled before congress since the inception of the US, with that resulting in the repeal of just one amendment. I am not holding my breath.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    No you didn't. You linked to a Conservapedia page that has no European countries on it. Not even the Czech republic.

    Apologies, I linked initially for a definition of Open Carry, hadn't realised that CZ was not listed.
    I'll have to take your word for that because Ni thuigim Czech. :)
    Thanks for trusting, also Chrome translate works well, my Czech, despite having lived there is a little rusty.
    Are you now saying that apart from the USA and Czech Republic the only countries that allow "open carry" are the ones on the Conservapedia list? I'm keen to learn.
    Nope, it's one list. It may or may not be exhaustive.

    That's exactly what I'm doing. It's a perfectly fair comparison to make. MOST of the countries that allow people to walk around carrying loaded guns are basket cases.
    In your view. I'm querying whether you seriously believe they are "basket cases" solely because they allow people to walk around with loaded guns. What is your point of view about "normal" countries like Switzerland who force its citizens to have a gun?
    I have no problem with the Irish Olympic shooters doing what they do with their firearms. Nor do I have a problem at all with people owning firearms for purposes such as vermin control, hunting for the pot or even inanimate target practice such as clay pigeon shooting etc.

    But you have no problem with citizens owning guns for home defence?
    But that's not "open carry" as described by yourself.

    If the average person needs to walk around town carrying a loaded weapon just to feel safe, (the default situation in the US) there's something wrong with that society.

    Except that is NOT the default position, as you well know. Very rarely will you see people OCing in the US. I have seen 3 people do it in the last 6 months. After all, you pretty much make yourself a target both from a criminal viewpoint and the fact the cops don't like it in that it 'scares the horses'. Less than 2% of the population generally have a CCW and carry regularly.

    I'm not advocating OC for the masses, so please don't misrepresent my position. However if people feel the need to OC, it is up to them.
    Well that's a winning argument. The debate is yours. :rolleyes:

    You opened your response with the lulz. How's yer arse now? :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,934 ✭✭✭goat2


    did he purchase all this firearm stuff from one or many suppliers, and as was stated today on cnn news, he was on little enough earnings which would not afford him all of this, so they say they have to follow the money also, was he really on his own with all of this where did the money come from is one of the questions


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭MegGustaa


    Tony EH wrote: »
    The difference is in the type of weapons and the ease with which to buy them over the counter. You can't just walk into a shop in Galway and buy a semi-auto assault rifle and walk out again.

    We also don't have the gun fetish that the States has. Ireland has a very different attitude to guns in general.

    ^This is so true. Yes, there will always be murderers and there will always be nutcases - but not all of them can walk into a shop and buy the kind of weapons and armour that you can in the States. Anytime I'm over there I'm still a little taken aback by even just the sight of gun counters in certain stores. It's just not something you see over here - happily.

    Gotta love a country that trusts any old lunatic with a gun but won't trust a toddler (or anyone) with a Kinder Surprise egg because it's "too dangerous" :rolleyes:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭Reindeer


    goat2 wrote: »
    did he purchase all this firearm stuff from one or many suppliers, and as was stated today on cnn news, he was on little enough earnings which would not afford him all of this, so they say they have to follow the money also, was he really on his own with all of this where did the money come from is one of the questions

    He won a grant that is still paying roughly $2,100 per month. His family was also likely helping to support him. His father is a manager at a software company according to the last news report I saw.

    He was found competent enough to be entered in to a doctorial degree program by neuro scientists. By all accounts, directly up to the event, those that knew him stated he seemed 'normal, if nerdy'.


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