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  • #602
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    karma_ wrote: »
    Aren't we the clever one.

    At least I can read. Admittedly it's a pretty low bar.


  • #603
    Cú Giobach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Cú Giobach


    alastair wrote: »
    Nonsense - it's entirely relevant. If you're telling me that as an unassuming apolitical Tryone Catholic parent, you'd sent your kid out to compete for the Billy Wright medal - you're a liar. You'd know exactly how welcome you were in that fold. Flip that around and let's talk Protestant family and the Martin McCaughey medal - same story. Different blinders.
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  • #604
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    alastair wrote: »
    Nonsense - it's entirely relevant. If you're telling me that as an unassuming apolitical Tryone Catholic parent, you'd sent your kid out to compete for the Billy Wright medal - you're a liar. You'd know exactly how welcome you were in that fold. Flip that around and let's talk Protestant family and the Martin McCaughey medal - same story. Different blinders.

    You do understand what the word 'sectarian' means Alastair?


  • #605
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    You do understand what the word 'sectarian' means Alastair?

    Clearly better than you do - would you send your kid out to compete for the Billy Wright cup then?


  • #606
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    alastair wrote: »
    Clearly better than you do - would you send your kid out to compete for the Billy Wright cup then?

    Probably not, because he allegedly (according to the PSNI) directed 20 SECTARIAN killings. And he was the leader of the LVF an overtly, sectarian organisation.


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  • #607
    billybudd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭billybudd


    alastair wrote: »
    Clearly better than you do - would you send your kid out to compete for the Billy Wright cup then?


    Billy was a fine GAA player you know.


  • #608
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Probably not, because he allegedly (according to the PSNI) directed 20 SECTARIAN killings. And he was the leader of the LVF an overtly, sectarian organisation.

    Whereas there's no stain of sectarianism on the back of the IRA or INLA, eh?


  • #609
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    alastair wrote: »
    At least I can read. Admittedly it's a pretty low bar.

    Captain Condescension rides again.


  • #610
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    karma_ wrote: »
    Captain Condescension rides again.

    You reap what you sow.


  • #611
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    alastair wrote: »
    Whereas there's no stain of sectarianism on the back of the IRA or INLA, eh?

    Are you actually gonna make a point in relation to the OO or just engage in whataboutery?
    How does pointing to sectarian incidents elsewhere excuse the continued 'sectarianism and provocation by the OO?
    You have shown yourself, how other organisations like the GAA deal with racist elements in their ranks and at their events.
    Can you show us the steps the OO have taken to rid itself of the bigots, how it has changed it modus operandi and how it has tempered it's rethoric?

    If you aren't going to address these issues then leave the thread alone.


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  • #612
    Cú Giobach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Cú Giobach


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    You have shown yourself, how other organisations like the GAA deal with racist elements in their ranks and at their events.
    That was funny. :D


  • #613
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Are you actually gonna make a point in relation to the OO or just engage in whataboutery?
    How does pointing to sectarian incidents elsewhere excuse the continued 'sectarianism and provocation by the OO?
    You have shown yourself, how other organisations like the GAA deal with racist elements in their ranks and at their events.
    Can you show us the steps the OO have taken to rid itself of the bigots, how it has changed it modus operandi and how it has tempered it's rethoric?

    If you aren't going to address these issues then leave the thread alone.

    Maybe you've missed it - but this thread is chocablock with points I've made with regard to the OO and their sectarianism (more blinders?). The point about the whataboutery is that there seems to be something of a blinder in relation to the pervasiveness of sectarianism beyond the OO.

    I'd be rather more impressed with the GAA if they weren't a wet day out of the sort of nonsense the bans encouraged and weren't currently sticking terrorists (not known for their outreach potential) on kiddies medals.


  • #614
    Cú Giobach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Cú Giobach


    alastair wrote: »
    I'd be rather more impressed with the GAA if they weren't a wet day out of the sort of nonsense the bans encouraged and weren't currently sticking terrorists (not known for their outreach potential) on kiddies medals.
    Then why don't you just stick to saying that, instead of spouting nonsense about them just because you don't like them.

    All LVF are kiddie fiddlers. I have no proof of that statement, the facts show otherwise, but I don't like them so I will say it, a la alastair.


  • #615
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Cú Giobach wrote: »
    Then why don't you just stick to saying that, instead of spouting nonsense about them just because you don't like them.

    Who says I don't like them? They've just got a road left to travel before I'd consider them non-sectarian. My belief is based on the facts - not any fantasy.


  • #616
    Cú Giobach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Cú Giobach


    alastair wrote: »
    Who says I don't like them? They've just got a road left to travel before I'd consider them non-sectarian. My belief is based on the facts - not any fantasy.

    ROFL :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=79750901&postcount=592


  • #617
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    alastair wrote: »
    Maybe you've missed it - but this thread is chocablock with points I've made with regard to the OO and their sectarianism (more blinders?). The point about the whataboutery is that there seems to be something of a blinder in relation to the pervasiveness of sectarianism beyond the OO.

    I'd be rather more impressed with the GAA if they weren't a wet day out of the sort of nonsense the bans encouraged and weren't currently sticking terrorists (not known for their outreach potential) on kiddies medals.

    The GAA are answerable like everyone else for promoting sectarianism and your point may or may not be valid, in a thread about sectarianism in general. It never was and isn't currently a 'sectarian' organisation with 'sectarianism' enshrined in it's ideologies and constitution, despite having been targeted, harrassed, provoked and havng members killed by the official institutions of the British government, (the RUC and the British army). Comparisons to the OO's inherent sectarian nature are meaningless.
    You have criticised the neanderthal public bigotry on show during marching season but you have not addressed where this springs from, and where it is fostered and encouraged, despite having it pointed out to you numerous times. You have continually deflected the thread in a pathetic attempt to avoid the real issues. Man up.


  • #618
    getz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    i am sure this flying the flag thing in northern ireland has anything to do in the north with people being british or irish,is more about catholic and protestant,in the northern ireland life and times a survey reveals that 73% of the population now want to stay in the UK.so its on the up,maybe its something to do with economic and social problems,if in the future the irish economy pics up that could change again.


  • #619
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    The GAA are answerable like everyone else for promoting sectarianism and your point may or may not be valid, in a thread about sectarianism in general. It never was and isn't currently a 'sectarian' organisation with 'sectarianism' enshrined in it's ideologies and constitution

    That's kind of like a 'best non swimmer' prize - but if your point is that it's not as sectarian as the OO - then sure - but it does have the distraction of sports in the mix - whereas the OO is 100% 24/7/365 about religious segregation. Between the sports club and the reactionary religious group who do you think is going to come out tops in the sectarian charts?

    Here's the thing though. I'm pretty sure that I'm bound to encounter religious discrimination in the OO, Black Preceptory, Apprentice Boys, Opus Dei, Nation of Islam, Knights of Columbus, and any number of religious clubs - that's kind of what they do. If I just want to chase a ball around a field, I really shouldn't have to deal with the same guff - or even a watery version of same.

    As to 'manning up'. I'm not that macho - sorry.


  • #620
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    alastair wrote: »
    That's kind of like a 'best non swimmer' prize - but if your point is that it's not as sectarian as the OO - then sure - but it does have the distraction of sports in the mix - whereas the OO is 100% 24/7/365 about religious segregation. Between the sports club and the reactionary religious group who do you think is going to come out tops in the sectarian charts?

    Here's the thing though. I'm pretty sure that I'm bound to encounter religious discrimination in the OO, Black Preceptory, Apprentice Boys, Opus Dei, Nation of Islam, Knights of Columbus, and any number of religious clubs - that's kind of what they do. If I just want to chase a ball around a field, I really shouldn't have to deal with the same guff - or even a watery version of same.

    As to 'manning up'. I'm not that macho - sorry.

    Again you are confused. Stand up and be a man, nobody is requiring you to be macho.

    And again...'sectarianism' is not and never was enshrined in the ideology and constitution of the GAA'.

    Should an organisation with sectarianism enshined in it's ideology be supported by officialdom and the law of the land? Yes or no.


  • #621
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Amazing that they can have several marches in Donegal and never a bother, shows the differences in mentalities I suppose.

    As for the GAA ban on other sports, initially it was aimed at soccer but ended up being about competition from other sports. It was removed around 1971. These days some managers frown on players playing both Gaelic and Hurling, never mind soccer or rugby.

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  • #622
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Should an organisation with sectarianism enshined in it's ideology be supported by officialdom and the law of the land? Yes or no.

    If it doesn't rain on anyone elses parade or do anything illegal - sure. It's not like the exclusionist religious nature of the organisation is going to sneak up on anyone. I think the model that's been applied to/by the Apprentice Boys in Derry - particularly the Apprentice Boy's museum, offer pointers for the future.


  • #623
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    alastair wrote: »
    If it doesn't rain on anyone elses parade or do anything illegal - sure. It's not like the exclusionist religious nature of the organisation is going to sneak up on anyone. I think the model that's been applied to the Apprentice Boys in Derry - particularly the Apprentice Boy's museum, offer pointers for the future.

    Well there you have it.
    By accepting that they are a sectarian organisation and by endorsing the activity of this organisation then it follows that you support sectarianism. Which places you firmly among the neanderthals. Proceed to Here ;)


  • #624
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Well there you have it.
    By accepting that they are a sectarian organisation and by endorsing the activity of this organisation then it follows that you support sectarianism. Which places you firmly among the neanderthals. Proceed to Here ;)

    Glad to see the lengths you're prepared to go in the name of cultural parity of esteem. Once again - awfully orangey.


  • #625
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    alastair wrote: »
    Glad to see the lengths you're prepared to go in the name of cultural parity of esteem. Once again - awfully orangey.

    I refuse to give repect to sectarian organisations, they have no place in any society I want to live in.
    After a long battle, Nationalists and Unionists finally have the chance of 'parity of esteem', despite the efforts of the backward looking and foot dragging organisations and their cowardly supporters.
    I'm done debating the subject with you, you have finally made your position clear.


  • #626
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    I'm done debating the subject with you, you have finally made your position clear.

    :confused: I made my position clear from the get-go.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=79716228&postcount=45


  • #627
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    alastair wrote: »
    :confused: I made my position clear from the get-go.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=79716228&postcount=45

    Nice, desperate try. But here is what you finally said, loud and clear.
    Should an organisation with sectarianism enshined in it's ideology be supported by officialdom and the law of the land? Yes or no.

    If it doesn't rain on anyone elses parade or do anything illegal - sure.

    Just keeping you honest. Good luck.


  • #628
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Nice, desperate try. But here is what you finally said, loud and clear.
    Just keeping you honest. Good luck.

    And from the start of this whole thing:
    I've no blinkers as to the motivations of many involved, but - parity of esteem and all that - if they really want to do this, and it's undoubtedly part of their cultural heritage, then they should be let knock themselves out - even in Dublin if that's what floats their boat.

    Spot any difference?


  • #629
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    alastair wrote: »
    And from the start of this whole thing:

    Spot any difference?

    You where NOT saying sectarianism is ok and justified, which is what you where continually being asked about.
    Stop wriggling and stand up for what you believe in, man! :rolleyes:


  • #630
    getz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Again you are confused. Stand up and be a man, nobody is requiring you to be macho.

    And again...'sectarianism' is not and never was enshrined in the ideology and constitution of the GAA'.

    Should an organisation with sectarianism enshined in it's ideology be supported by officialdom and the law of the land? Yes or no.
    i think you are blind to the obvious,people who try to suggest the GAA is;not sectarian; well it plainly is ,the symbols it uses,the word eire on many of their badges,could you imagine the word british being used on irish football badges in the republic. its constitution and various other things are plainly exclusive,it does not matter whether this is deliberate[although it is ],yes protestants can play GAA but only if they are prepared to tolerate nationism,in other words,only on certain peoples own terms.


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  • #631
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    getz wrote: »
    i think you are blind to the obvious,people who try to suggest the GAA is;not sectarian; well it plainly is ,the symbols it uses,the word eire on many of their badges,could you imagine the word british being used on irish football badges in the republic. its constitution and various other things are plainly exclusive,it does not matter whether this is deliberate[although it is ],yes protestants can play GAA but only if they are prepared to tolerate nationism,in other words,only on certain peoples own terms.

    Do me a favour and google the word 'sectarian'. :rolleyes:


  • #632
    keithclancy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    They should send them over to the Netherlands to do their 'Parades'

    They'd fit right in with all that Orange at the Queens day festival.

    Nobody would have a f*cking clue what their on about either so double win.

    Every time I hear 'Orange Order' I can't help but think 'Ku Klux Klan' the outfits are just as ridiculous.

    Do they have a grand wizard ?


  • #633
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    You where NOT saying sectarianism is ok and justified, which is what you where continually being asked about.
    Stop wriggling and stand up for what you believe in, man! :rolleyes:

    Now - if there's some medical reason you're a bit slow on the uptake, I apologise, but let me break it down in simple terms (again):

    I'm not saying sectarianism is either ok or justified, but I think we're all aware that most insular religious groups are fundamentally sectarian in outlook. That's their business, and it's not against any law until they go a break some related law.

    If you read anything that anyone posted in this thread stating that sectarianism was ok - then consult with your doctor - the pills aren't working any more.

    The majority of OO parades don't result in provocation or overt displays of sectarianism - one did this year - which is pretty good in historic terms. The vast majority of parades either worked out compromises with concerned residents, or took place in non-contentious routes. No Southern parades have been contentious to date - and what's been suggested is another southern parade - just in Dublin.

    I'm happy enough for these lads to have their parade - regardless of what I personally feel about their brand of Protestantism - it's no more offensive to me than say Youth Defence, who are welcome to make a song and dance in public - as long as they don't break the law. Not my thing at all, but I'm not going to try and stop them.


  • #634
    getz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Do me a favour and google the word 'sectarian'. :rolleyes:
    just have sectarian;;;one characterized by bigoted adherence to a fractional viewpoint, i got it right first time.


  • #635
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    getz wrote: »
    i think you are blind to the obvious,people who try to suggest the GAA is;not sectarian; well it plainly is ,the symbols it uses,the word eire on many of their badges,could you imagine the word british being used on irish football badges in the republic. its constitution and various other things are plainly exclusive,it does not matter whether this is deliberate[although it is ],yes protestants can play GAA but only if they are prepared to tolerate nationism,in other words,only on certain peoples own terms.

    It is a very openly Nationalist organisation, that doesn't make it sectarian like the OO.

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  • #636
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    getz wrote: »
    just have sectarian;;;one characterized by bigoted adherence to a fractional viewpoint, i got it right first time.

    It's an organisation set up to foster and promote gaelic games and culture, it never said anything different. There is nothing sectarian about that. If you want to take part in gaelic games and culture; join. If you don't wish to partake in that, don't join.
    It was that very ethos that seen it targetted by the those who support and promote sectarianism in the North, both openly and out of the side of their mouths.


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  • #637
    getz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    K-9 wrote: »
    It is a very openly Nationalist organisation, that doesn't make it sectarian like the OO.
    i can agree with you there,but trying to deny that there is no sectarian agenda in some of their northern clubs is laughable


  • #638
    getz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    It's an organisation set up to foster and promote gaelic games and culture, it never said anything different. There is nothing sectarian about that. If you want to take part in gaelic games and culture; join. If you don't wish to partake in that, don't join.
    It was that very ethos that seen it targetted by the those who support and promote sectarianism in the North, both openly and out of the side of their mouths.
    how many non-catholics play GAA in northern ireland ? there certainly no problem of who joins in england/wales/ scotland and the republic,


  • #639
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    getz wrote: »
    how many non-catholics play GAA in northern ireland ? there certainly no problem of who joins in england/wales/ scotland and the republic,

    I'll give you 3 guesses to why that is. :rolleyes:
    Show us where; in it's constitution or in it's utterances, that the organisation is 'officially' sectarian. Then comparison with the OO is justified, if you can't do that, stop trying to deflect with whataboutery.
    While you are at it, show us where they where aided and abetted by the authorities in the practice of this imaginary sectarianism.


  • #640
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    It's an organisation set up to foster and promote gaelic games and culture, it never said anything different.

    Which explains perfectly why they would choose to put an IRA terrorist on a youth competition medal. Nothing sectarian to see here, move along.


  • #641
    K-9
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    getz wrote: »
    i can agree with you there,but trying to deny that there is no sectarian agenda in some of their northern clubs is laughable

    Well there will be idiots in organisations that big, like the order trying to censure the UUP leader for attending Ronan Kerr's funeral. Still leaves the OO as sectarian and the GAA openly Nationalist.

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  • #642
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    While you are at it, show us where they where aided and abetted by the authorities in the practice of this imaginary sectarianism.

    The GAA are just as involved in seeking grants as the OO is - and that's the extent of 'aiding and abetting by authorities' at play.


  • #643
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,473 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    john why wrote: »
    just seen on the bbc newsline that yesterday a loyalist band stoped at a catholic church to sing the famine song and to have a little march. wtf is wrong with these people, and they claim there not sectarian.

    dont know how to upload links, maybe someone else could
    I like their sense of humour.


  • #644
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    K-9 wrote: »
    Well there will be idiots in organisations that big, like the order trying to censure the UUP leader for attending Ronan Kerr's funeral. Still leaves the OO as sectarian and the GAA openly Nationalist.

    That a nationalist organisation got entrenched (in some instances) in the face of systemised and organised official discrimination, provocation and targeting, ground stealing and the murder of their members is undeniable. However, there is no official sectarian agenda in the GAA and there never was.
    The OO, however, offically and constitutionally sectarian, had the weight of the security forces and therefore, the institution of Government itself, behind them for decades. That is also undeniable.


  • #645
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    That is also undeniable.

    Of course it is. :rolleyes:

    And those poor GAA lads - you can't blame them for what they were forced into doing - it was all the securocrats fault.


  • #646
    3ndahalfof6
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    alastair wrote: »
    Of course it is. :rolleyes:

    And those poor GAA lads - you can't blame them for what they were forced into doing - it was all the securocrats fault.

    Hey buddy did you bash astonaidan in the face.


  • #647
    Nipper Man
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭Nipper Man


    Hi Everybody,

    I think that people are entitled to march, however they should march and enjoy themselves and not try and incite people by hateful remarks or the like.

    After all the things that have happened in the past 30 odd years and all the deaths because of that era, people seem not to have learned anything at all.

    Education seems to have missed that part of a person's reasoning ability to behave in a Christian manner towards their neighbour's of all Religion's and or beliefs.

    There are some things that I do not agree with, however I can accept them as long as I am not directly put in any harm by their existence in this world where we all have several differences to contend with on a daily basis, so lets not do onto others that we would not like done to ourselves, please.

    A memory of something past should not now cause injury for those living in the present.



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  • #648
    omgitsthelazor
    Registered Users Posts: 186 ✭✭omgitsthelazor


    2012, still with this crap. Wow.

    Saddest part was seeing kids involved, what monstrosity of a parent would involve their kids in something bigoted like that?


  • #649
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Lads, Alastair has almost 3 times the number of posts of the next nearest person (144) and is still getting a kick out of this thread. I think it's time people stopped giving him the oxygen of attention.

    Anticipated response:

    If this advice was applied to the marching bands them we might not have all this outrage.

    To which I would redirect him to this post.
    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    The ol' 'just ignore it' spiel, such naivety. It's impossible to ignore - what do you want people to do? Wear ear protectors, blindfolds and lock themselves in a darkened room for a month?

    It's a marching season not a marching day; did that fact pass you by or are you just here in a failed attempt to be condescending?

    TL;DR, Do not feed.


  • #650
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Lads, Alastair has almost 3 times the number of posts of the next nearest person (144).

    Thanks for caring enough to count. :p

    You seem to agree with me over the best way to deal with displays of parade sectarianism all the same:
    Shure what's the point in being triumphalist over centuries old events if you can't antagonise your phantom 'enemy'.


  • #651
    cardwizzard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭cardwizzard


    omgitsthelazor wrote: »
    2012, still with this crap. Wow.

    Saddest part was seeing kids involved, what monstrosity of a parent would involve their kids in something bigoted like that?


    Yip I agree with you.

    Its a cycle you can bet their fathers brought them up the same way. Bigots to the core.


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