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Sorry, but I would not agree at all with this observation.
Firstly I think the Airsoft Mods all do a great job and all Moderators are volunteers, so have a life away from boards.
The thread you picked showed a poster list an item for sale at 13:40 and a bump just 4 hours later at 17:41. Poster joined Boards.ie 4 months before that post, so not a noob.
A Mod advised that 24 hours is the minimum between bump posts and that poster should read charter.
Poster is back 3 hours later asking how to posts pics. That is a question for the help desk not the Airsoft forum. Or the poster could have PM'ed a Mod re posting pics.
Less then 24 hours later and poster is back with another "bump". So they obvisously chose to ignore a warning from a forum moderator. Never a good thing to do. A cynic might see this as a way of bumping a post back up to the top of the first page
They had been warned already, so they got a yellow card, which is just like a tap on the shoulder to say "you were already told about bumping". Poster didn't get infracted or banned, so I really don't see what the issue here is.
Then the poster wants to start "facebooking" another member re the item for sale, so off thread dealing and showning that the advice to read the forum charter was indeed ignored.
You honestly think this poster was hard done by???
I don't think any of the Airsoft Mods could be accused of using their "Mod Powers" too freely tbh. The amount of BOLD Type posts or the issuing of infractions or bans from the Mods are fairly sparse and IMHO I have never seen one that was not warranted.
A Mods job is to keep their forums ticking over and keep the peace. It is not that of a babysitter.id just like to share an observation ive had regarding certain mods on the airsoft forums ....in the link i will post it seems the mods are more comfortable handing out warnings and infractions , as indicated by the following link the op indicates twice he is having trouble posting pictures of his saleable item , but to his and my own dismay the mod never steps in to help with the process, instead opts to adopt the tyranical posturing of i am MOD hear me roar by warning and snipping never once offering assistance ..should we moderate the mods or would be moderated for moderating the moderators where does it end.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056610232
Whilst i understand that some of your mods are volunteers offering their time freely are they not still a representative of Boards.ie and bad feeling towards individuals flexing their muscles would ultimatly reflect badly on Boards itself.
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Sorry, but I would not agree at all with this observation.
Firstly I think the Airsoft Mods all do a great job and all Moderators are volunteers, so have a life away from boards.
The thread you picked showed a poster list an item for sale at 13:40 and a bump just 4 hours later at 17:41. Poster joined Boards.ie 4 months before that post, so not a noob.
A Mod advised that 24 hours is the minimum between bump posts and that poster should read charter.
Poster is back 3 hours later asking how to posts pics. That is a question for the help desk not the Airsoft forum. Or the poster could have PM'ed a Mod re posting pics.
Less then 24 hours later and poster is back with another "bump". So they obvisously chose to ignore a warning from a forum moderator. Never a good thing to do. A cynic might see this as a way of bumping a post back up to the top of the first page
They had been warned already, so they got a yellow card, which is just like a tap on the shoulder to say "you were already told about bumping". Poster didn't get infracted or banned, so I really don't see what the issue here is.
Then the poster wants to start "facebooking" another member re the item for sale, so off thread dealing and showning that the advice to read the forum charter was indeed ignored.
You honestly think this poster was hard done by???
I don't think any of the Airsoft Mods could be accused of using their "Mod Powers" too freely tbh. The amount of BOLD Type posts or the issuing of infractions or bans from the Mods are fairly sparse and IMHO I have never seen one that was not warranted.
A Mods job is to keep their forums ticking over and keep the peace. It is not that of a babysitter
Firstly Tommy i said it was an observation and i used one example there have been more but to take time from my day to copy and paste them all in to one comment is something i am unwiling to do.
My point i was making was instead of using the mod powers to infract or even to warn would it not have been more productive to assist the person in question in getting their pictures up so HE DIDNT have to use facebook to see the picture.
And as you pointed out "A Mods job is to keep their forums ticking over and keep the peace." In that very sentence you point out a mods role on his forum and surely assistance is part of that remit. And by using the word babysit, not once did i say he had to walk him thru each and every step maybe he was trying to load from phone or maybe some other form of device that wouldnt allow in which the moderator could have easily pointed out this fact...
And to end in Answer to your question of him being hard done by ...in regards to the bumping no ....but in regards to the facebook comment i think yes ..As with assistance from the mod there would have been no need to take the item off thread for the simple purpose of viewing ...0 -
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Thank you for the feedback war_child, duly noted.
I have a problem with that comment and it is this:Firstly Tommy i said it was an observation and i used one example there have been more but to take time from my day to copy and paste them all in to one comment is something i am unwiling to do.
You (in general) expect mods to be at your beck and call to help you out with stuff - which we do on a daily basis - yet you (in particular) are choosing to give feedback in a very general manner because you can't be bothered to take time out to go and collect a few examples of what you are talking about.
Look, mods are volunteers here, we do this in our spare time, we go to great lengths to investigate every reported post and try and deal with it in as fair a manner as we can. We don't claim to be internet 'gods' and we certainly don't claim to never get things wrong - we do - and we deal with that.
All I'm asking here is that if you want to be critical of all the time we put in here then please put some effort in to make a valid case - if you are (as you admitted above) unwilling to do that then, respectfully, please keep your generalisations to yourself.
If you truly have a grievance with any of the mods here then you should make contact with a cmod and raise the issue with them.
If, however, there is something that we can fix locally then this is the place for it - but - as I said - you need to take some time and present some facts.
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The 'editing your own thread' permission time-out is a feature of vBulletin, the software behind boards.ie, and is a site-wide setting so there's not much we can do about that.
We can only do our best to keep the forum running within the limitations of the framework we have. 0 -
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The forum rules thread has been revised, new version is here:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056698847
If you spot any errors or obvious omissions then please let us know here. 0 -
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Hi,
Two things there:Steve nice improvements and clarifications but how can boards ebforce these rules about honouring your committment to buy\sell realistically? Twice now I've had people dick me about with the same item for sale, offering and agreeing to make payment or meet and not showing up or not bothering to pay and a week later withdrawing, a suspension for multiple occurances seems like its not really a scantion after all they can just set up a new account can they not?
1. If you report when this happens then we'll take note of it or issue warnings for timewasting. If someone does it on an ongoing basis and / or ignores the warnings then they get banned.
2. If they create a new account, it's not long before the system picks them up and they then get banned from all of boards, not just the adverts forum. Re-reg hunts are part of the job as a mod so to speak.
Boards has absolutely no right to dictate what price you sell your items for, nor do we ever try. It's up to you to pick what you think is a fair price and stick to that, nobody is forcing you to drop it.Also what right does boards have to enforce prices? If someone is willing to offer more than someone else or offer more than the current asking price then why should we as sellers not take the better offer? I know its not ebay but still we should have the right to accept any offer regardless of price unless we make an agreement with someone first. So if I'm selling for 50 and someone offers 50 but someone offers 55 I should have the right to take the highest bid if I want to
We do, however, have the right to enforce a set of rules that have been proven to work as a fair method of community based selling for over 8 years now.
If you want an auction, go to ebay/donedeal/buyandsell/add/dodo/deals/youtrade/eireads/onandgone/sellsellsell amongst the hundreds of other adverts sites up there and deal with all the scammers, timewasters, heavy breathers ringing the phone number you publish, nutjobs, lack of mods that give a crap and, in most cases, you actually have to pay them for the privilege of listing your ads there and availing of their excellent services.
If you want to use this forum, you are most welcome to do so for free, the only condition is you follow our rules. If you feel the rules don't suit you then, as I said, there are hundreds of other places you can sell your stuff - best of luck with that. 0 -
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Look, I'm taking all this on board - that's the point of this thread.if we accept a lower offer and that deal falls though then in my opinion that lower asking rice is no longer valid. it was a price agreed through two individuals and as that deal is not on teh able it should IMO revert to teh original asking price as the agrement for teh lower price no longer exists. at teh end of the day if teh buyer cant be forced to pay that lower price after they have backed out why should we be forced to now sell at that lower price because of some tyre kicker?
I also think that if someone withdraws a day or two after an agreement is reached then ok they are given teh benifit of teh doubt but to make an agreement and withdraw a week or two later? that's just dicking people about and tehy acocunt shouldnt be watchd, immediate scanctions should be put in place.
i agree its your site your rules but you cant enforce one set of rules and not another. if i'm forced to sell at a lower agreed selling price even though that deal has fallen through then the original purchaser should be forced to pay me the agreed price any not allowed to withdraw. if they are allowed to withdraw then teh seller should be allowed to put the price back to teh original asking price. its only fair. and at leas a seller who has had is time wasted wont feel hard done by
I agree that timewasters are a pain in the nuts and we possibly need to come down harder on them. It's going to be a matter of finding a way of doing it so that is fair to everyone involved.
Leave this with me and I'll discuss it with the other mods, in the meantime if anyone else has opinions on it then feel free to offer them.
That's not up for discussion at all, sorry, we tried it years ago on adverts.ie and it was a massive failure.as for auctions, if someone is willing to pay more then why shouldnt we be allowed to sell once we're not backing out of a previous agreed sale?0 -
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Ok I'll accept the bidding bit grudgingly . If someone offers the asking price you put up then done deal unless there's a compelling reason not to acccept this persons offer. Ie you've had bad history with them or there's evidence they're a bad buyer. Buy maybe you need to support your refusal or pm a mod to state why you won't deal. But that's extra hassle for the mods.
But that aside if some offers your asking then you should accept that. But if you strike a deal for a lower price and that falls down then it should go back to the original price unless you as the op specifically state you are dropping the asking price.
In my case I dropped my price as I needed cash to fund something else so I wanted a quick sale. Now a month on my need isn't there so I'm not willing to take a lower price. Hence why I've withdrawn the sale now.
Not sure about the next in line bit hadn't considered it to be honest. Ok I can see the point that if you accept a lower price and someone goes next in line that they're assuming its next in line at that price. But according to the rules you can refuse any offer so can you refuse the next in line at the lower price? If it reverted back to the original price and someone was next in line then I can see that causing confusion or may cause people not to go next in line and cause a loss of sales etc. Tough call I guess.0 -
Do you honestly believe anyone would offer more, when there's evidence of you having agreed a lower price? I wouldn't, and nor would most others. If you agreed a price of €50 on your thread with another user, and they backed out and you put your price back up, I'd simply quote the part of "Deal agreed @ €50" and offer you that. Sure you could say no, but I think you'd be shít-out-of-luck on getting more, hence why the lower price becomes asking.
It also stops sellers dicking around buyers, in my opinion. Rules have to be here where money is involved, and they must be stringent. No one can make anyone pay for anything. Boards.ie is not a Gestapo made up of muscle-bound bounty hunters, so they're not in a position to knock on the time-waster's door and shake him by the ankles until the money drops out. It's part and parcel of selling gear. Personally I like adverts.ie methods, and whereas Airsoft Adverts is a little...ineffective, the rules are sound in my opinion...it's just unfortunate that it's filled with people who haven't a clue about worth, value or depreciation
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But if theres something on sale in a shop say €75 a month after the sale i go into the shop and the same item is back to full price of say €100 I cant say im only paying €75 as thats all it was last month ill be told hard luck it€100 now take it or leave itDo you honestly believe anyone would offer more, when there's evidence of you having agreed a lower price? I wouldn't, and nor would most others. If you agreed a price of €50 on your thread with another user, and they backed out and you put your price back up, I'd simply quote the part of "Deal agreed @ €50" and offer you that. Sure you could say no, but I think you'd be shít-out-of-luck on getting more, hence why the lower price becomes asking.
It also stops sellers dicking around buyers, in my opinion. Rules have to be here where money is involved, and they must be stringent. No one can make anyone pay for anything. Boards.ie is not a Gestapo made up of muscle-bound bounty hunters, so they're not in a position to knock on the time-waster's door and shake him by the ankles until the money drops out. It's part and parcel of selling gear. Personally I like adverts.ie methods, and whereas Airsoft Adverts is a little...ineffective, the rules are sound in my opinion...it's just unfortunate that it's filled with people who haven't a clue about worth, value or depreciation0 -
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