Asylum Seekers /Immigration.

atkin · 13-07-2012 12:17PM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

Did you start work at 15?

NO 18

Micky Dolenz · 13-07-2012 12:17PM

We have a lot to be thankful in this part of the world. Very very few of us have had to flee our home country because we were in fear of our lives or the lives of our family.

However I've spent the best years of my life being an economic immigrant. This is another freedom afforded to me solely due to what part of the world I happened to be born in. In fact recently I've become one again and am free to travel and work as I please in most parts of Europe and countries beyond.

Immigration is a two way street. Could systems be improved? no doubt they could, no system will ever be perfect and people, some people will abuse it.

atkin · 13-07-2012 12:21PM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

So you live off your family for 2 years then start claiming? How long would it take to pay off the 2 years and make it viable for the whole family?

The reality is unemployment will continue to remain high and new EU immigrants will remain because welfare is better than the homeland.They can send the child benefit to those not living here.I know of one girl in Poland who is 27 years and pretends she is at University so the parents can get child benefit.

fasttalkerchat · 13-07-2012 12:21PM

atkin wrote: »

NO 18

I don't know what happened in your case then. If you were born here when you reached 18 and left school you should have been able to get benefits right away. Its probably too late to claim anything now.

atkin · 13-07-2012 12:22PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

We have a lot to be thankful in this part of the world. Very very few of us have had to flee our home country because we were in fear of our lives or the lives of our family.

However I've spent the best years of my life being an economic immigrant. This is another freedom afforded to me solely due to what part of the world I happened to be born in. In fact recently I've become one again and am free to travel and work as I please in most parts of Europe and countries beyond.

Immigration is a two way street. Could systems be improved? no doubt they could, no system will ever be perfect and people, some people will abuse it.

Most are economic migrants .

SocSocPol · 13-07-2012 12:26PM

atkin wrote: »

The reality is unemployment will continue to remain high and new EU immigrants will remain because welfare is better than the homeland.They can send the child benefit to those not living here.I know of one girl in Poland who is 27 years and pretends she is at University so the parents can get child benefit.

Any chance of some actual evidence for your claims or are they all "I heard of, I know of" stories that you have made up to flame the thread?
And again NEW EU IMMIGRANTS DONT GET WELFARE! THEY MUST PASS THE HABITUAL RESIDENCY RULE!

MAR86 · 13-07-2012 12:28PM

Hi,

I am one of those EU nationals that many people don't like, which is Romanian, working and studying here, i don't claim benefits, dole, etc.

There are a few laws that most of you don't know about because you are not a foreigner, therefore these laws have little or no interest for you:

-an EU national can claim the dole after 2 years of work, min. 104 weeks PRSI contributions, legal work, not cash in hand.

- a child born in Ireland doesn't entitle the parent to citizenship or social welfare. If the parent has been working in Ireland, legally, for a number of years, the child might receive an Irish passport, which means the parent is entitled to stay and work here

In relation to foreigners moving to Ireland just to claim the dole, I think this is a bit far fetched.
Rough number of foreigners in Ireland (EU + non-EU): 400K
Rough number of people on the dole in Ireland: 400K

It is impossible that all the people on the dole are foreigners....this would mean that all Irish nationals are employed.

I promised myself not to read threads such as this one never ever in my life, but here I am, I did it again, ughhh!:mad:

SocSocPol · 13-07-2012 12:29PM

atkin wrote: »

Not so in 1974

Yes so in 1974, Unemployment assistance was available to those with no stamps or too few stamps for Unemployment Benifit, as was Supplementry Welfare Allowance (or the relieving officer as it was generally know as in those days).

atkin · 13-07-2012 12:42PM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

I don't know what happened in your case then. If you were born here when you reached 18 and left school you should have been able to get benefits right away. Its probably too late to claim anything now.

I was living at home at the time.I moved to Dublin and they would not grant assistance as I was only living there a short time.I got a job after 2 months.

Unemployment Assistance ACT 1935 and applied in 1974.
(c) a person who at the relevant time is and for not less than five consecutive years immediately preceding that time has been ordinarily resident in Saorstát Eireann.

atkin · 13-07-2012 12:50PM

MAR86 wrote: »

Hi,

I am one of those EU nationals that many people don't like, which is Romanian, working and studying here, i don't claim benefits, dole, etc.

There are a few laws that most of you don't know about because you are not a foreigner, therefore these laws have little or no interest for you:

-an EU national can claim the dole after 2 years of work, min. 104 weeks PRSI contributions, legal work, not cash in hand.

- a child born in Ireland doesn't entitle the parent to citizenship or social welfare. If the parent has been working in Ireland, legally, for a number of years, the child might receive an Irish passport, which means the parent is entitled to stay and work here

In relation to foreigners moving to Ireland just to claim the dole, I think this is a bit far fetched.
Rough number of foreigners in Ireland (EU + non-EU): 400K
Rough number of people on the dole in Ireland: 400K

It is impossible that all the people on the dole are foreigners....this would mean that all Irish nationals are employed.

I promised myself not to read threads such as this one never ever in my life, but here I am, I did it again, ughhh!:mad:

The census 2011 shows 766,000 foreigners given our initial population of 3.63 million 16 years ago is quite alarming. How would you feel if it happen in Romania ?

SocSocPol · 13-07-2012 12:50PM

atkin wrote: »

I was living at home at the time.I moved to Dublin and they would not grant assistance as I was only living there a short time.I got a job after 2 months.

Unemployment Assistance ACT 1935 and applied in 1974.
(c) a person who at the relevant time is and for not less than five consecutive years immediately preceding that time has been ordinarily resident in Saorstát Eireann.

No person after 1937 could live in Saoratat Eireann, it ceased to exist after 1937.

atkin · 13-07-2012 12:51PM

SocSocPol wrote: »

No person after 1937 could live in Saoratat Eireann, it ceased to exist after 1937.

Well Irish Republic then satisfied. I assume you can enlighten me as to why this rule was disposed of.

SocSocPol · 13-07-2012 12:52PM

atkin wrote: »

The census 2011 shows 766,000 foreigners given our initial population of 3.63 million 16 years ago is quite alarming. How would you feel if it happen in Romania ?

I dont think its in the least bit alarming

Micky Dolenz · 13-07-2012 12:53PM

atkin wrote: »

The census 2011 shows 766,000 foreigners given our initial population of 3.63 million 16 years ago is quite alarming. How would you feel if it happen in Romania ?

Restricting movement inside the EU is a no go. I'm a foreigner, would you suggest my movement be restricted?

Have you ever thought about leaving Ireland to get a job? It's happening more and more these days.

christmas2012 · 13-07-2012 12:56PM

The census 2011 shows 766,000 foreigners given our initial population of 3.63 million 16 years ago is quite alarming. How would you feel if it happen in Romania ?

I think it is very alarming,and i have nothing against foreigners but of course there are some that will spin it that way,but there is a huge problem here and it needs to be recitified,why change ireland beyond all recognition?why is it so important to do that?and who is behind all this drive?why should we turn ireland into a parody of what the uk is right now it makes no sense..if this happened in the middle east there would be huge outcry and outright war on us..

atkin · 13-07-2012 12:59PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Restricting movement inside the EU is a no go. I'm a foreigner, would you suggest my movement be restricted?

Have you ever thought about leaving Ireland to get a job? It's happening more and more these days.

I am 56 too old .I wanted to teach English too old.I cannot claim welfare if I leave even to look. I lived for 6 months last year abroad .I know I should leave to make room for the 'new Irish' and stop complaining.40,000 Irish leave each year.

atkin · 13-07-2012 01:01PM

atkin wrote: »

I am 56 too old .I wanted to teach English too old.I cannot claim welfare if I leave even to look. I lived for 6 months last year abroad .I know I should leave to make room for the 'new Irish' and stop complaining.40,000 Irish leave each year.

Restrict movement I never said that Welfare yes.

MAR86 · 13-07-2012 01:02PM

atkin wrote: »

The census 2011 shows 766,000 foreigners given our initial population of 3.63 million 16 years ago is quite alarming. How would you feel if it happen in Romania ?

Well, I just saw another graph published by the EU showing around 400K foreigners in Ireland, but i can't say who is right or wrong.

But even so, they can't be all on social welfare, you have to qualify for it, it's not like you come here and go straight away to the tax office and ask for money. You have to work legally, pay taxes, have a P45

If it were to happen to Romania, we could cope with it, considering we have a population of around 20 milion, but I don't think there's too many people packing their bags to move there

Micky Dolenz · 13-07-2012 01:02PM

atkin wrote: »

I am 56 too old .I wanted to teach English too old.I cannot claim welfare if I leave even to look. I lived for 6 months last year abroad .I know I should leave to make room for the 'new Irish' and stop complaining.40,000 Irish leave each year.

Would you like to see those 40,000 having their movement restricted?

How was your six months of being a foreigner?

SocSocPol · 13-07-2012 01:03PM

atkin wrote: »

The census 2011 shows 766,000 foreigners given our initial population of 3.63 million 16 years ago is quite alarming. How would you feel if it happen in Romania ?

No it does not, it show that 766,000 people born outside the state, however only 544,357 non Irish nationals were living in Ireland at the time of the 2011 census.
"Overall, 544,357 non-Irish nationals were living in Ireland at the time of the 2011 census, an increase of 29.7 per cent or 124,624 on 2006, some 12 per cent of the population".

SocSocPol · 13-07-2012 01:05PM

atkin wrote: »

I am 56 too old .I wanted to teach English too old.I cannot claim welfare if I leave even to look. I lived for 6 months last year abroad .I know I should leave to make room for the 'new Irish' and stop complaining.40,000 Irish leave each year.

Oh please do

fasttalkerchat · 13-07-2012 01:06PM

SocSocPol wrote: »

No it does not, it show that 766,000 people born outside the state, however only 544,357 non Irish nationals were living in Ireland at the time of the 2011 census.
"Overall, 544,357 non-Irish nationals were living in Ireland at the time of the 2011 census, an increase of 29.7 per cent or 124,624 on 2006, some 12 per cent of the population".

I might be wrong, but Irish citizens born in the 6 counties would be classed as born outside the state so that makes the actual figure even lower.

atkin · 13-07-2012 01:11PM

SocSocPol wrote: »

No it does not, it show that 766,000 people born outside the state, however only 544,357 non Irish nationals were living in Ireland at the time of the 2011 census.
"Overall, 544,357 non-Irish nationals were living in Ireland at the time of the 2011 census, an increase of 29.7 per cent or 124,624 on 2006, some 12 per cent of the population".

So can you enlighten me as to the position of 221.000 born outside the state ?

I am staying here .

SocSocPol · 13-07-2012 01:13PM

atkin wrote: »

So can you enlighten me as to the position of 221.000 born outside the state ?

I am staying here .

what 321,000?

Sappa · 13-07-2012 01:14PM

You got to love these threads,the same old posters I could name them but won't,keep making jokes about swans and free prams to ridicule the thread as they are afraid to face the facts that this is a problem in Ireland and our systems are being massively abused.
I for one hope that Ireland does not go like the UK,it's a disaster just take a few certain cities like Bradford and Burnley,you would find it hard to find a White English speaking person.

fasttalkerchat · 13-07-2012 01:14PM

atkin wrote: »

So can you enlighten me as to the position of 221.000 born outside the state ? They are all from Northern Ireland.

I am staying here .

Irish nationals born elsewhere... I'm guessing many of them born in NI.

fasttalkerchat · 13-07-2012 01:15PM

Sappa wrote: »

You got to love these threads,the same old posters I could name them but won't,keep making jokes about swans and free prams to ridicule the thread as they are afraid to face the facts that this is a problem in Ireland and our systems are being massively abused.
I for one hope that Ureland does not go like the UK,it's a disaster with certain cities like Bradford and Burnley,you would find it hard to find a White English man.

What a terrible place to live.. Dark faces everywhere! :rolleyes::pac::pac:

atkin · 13-07-2012 01:16PM

There are many foreigners hate Irish what's the second generation going to be like. Riots like the UK.

SocSocPol · 13-07-2012 01:17PM

atkin wrote: »

So can you enlighten me as to the position of 221.000 born outside the state ?

I am staying here .

766,000 minus 544,357 = 221,643.
They can be accounted for by various means, Irish citizens born outside of Ireland of Irish Parents who returned to this country, Persons granted Irish Citzenship having lived here long to obtain it which now makes them Irish Nationals.

atkin · 13-07-2012 01:18PM

SocSocPol wrote: »

what 321,000?

221.000 still waiting to be enlightened

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