Asylum Seekers /Immigration.

SocSocPol

atkin wrote: »

There are many foreigners hate Irish what's the second generation going to be like. Riots like the UK.

Evidence for this rabble rousing and inflammatory statement?

Micky Dolenz

atkin wrote: »

There are many foreigners hate Irish what's the second generation going to be like. Riots like the UK.

Have you any basis to back this generalization up?

Again, would you be in favour of restricting the movement of Irish people out of Ireland?

atkin

SocSocPol wrote: »

766,000 minus 544,357 = 221,643.
They can be accounted for by various means, Irish citizens born outside of Ireland of Irish Parents who returned to this country, Persons granted Irish Citzenship having lived here long to obtain it which now makes them Irish Nationals.

Well this still means inward migration to a country with high unemployment.
Regardless of how accurate your statement is.

Sappa

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

Sappa wrote: »

You got to love these threads,the same old posters I could name them but won't,keep making jokes about swans and free prams to ridicule the thread as they are afraid to face the facts that this is a problem in Ireland and our systems are being massively abused.
I for one hope that Ureland does not go like the UK,it's a disaster with certain cities like Bradford and Burnley,you would find it hard to find a White English man.

What a terrible place to live.. Dark faces everywhere! :rolleyes::pac::pac:

Give it a try and see of you like it when your own culture is not accepted in these cities and they would rather Muslim law than British law and can't be bothered to speak the countries language.
I'm all for a bit of integration but we should look to Europe and see Brussels,Geneva,Paris have all been over run with immigration and this has lead to a breakdown in services,increased crime and poverty.
The whole project is flawed and needs restructuring,what might have worked in the 70's 80's does not work now and a new approach us needed,Ireland will go the same way.

schemingbohemia

atkin wrote: »

221.000 still waiting to be enlightened

220,999 I'm one, born outside the state to Irish parents, living here since the age of 1, I'm white though does that mean I can stay?

atkin

SocSocPol wrote: »

Evidence for this rabble rousing and inflammatory statement?

from meeting foreigners maybe you don't.

MAR86

atkin wrote: »

There are many foreigners hate Irish what's the second generation going to be like. Riots like the UK.

I think you are wrong, I for one would love to be integrated more in the Irish culture and society, I would love to have Irish friends (if I wanted to hang out with my own people, I wouldn't have left my country), but it is so difficult because of these prejudices...I would like to make Ireland my second home, but it is close to impossible because of these preconceived judgment that I am here to claim, steal and so on.

munchkin_utd

atkin wrote: »

The census 2011 shows 766,000 foreigners given our initial population of 3.63 million 16 years ago is quite alarming. How would you feel if it happen in Romania ?

actually.....

Romanias solution to having a large ethnic german population living there after the war was to send them to the work (aka death) camps in Siberia on the request of Stalin aparantly.

ok that was in the aftermath of a war, but you did ask what Romania might have done with unwanted foreigners!

PS. I first heard about this at the Dachau Concentration camp as our tour guide was the decendant of these germans. The story only came to light as some american asked her why such a young person would want to volunteer to spend time giving tours around a concentration camp. Her family background meant she had a personal interest in the matter, abeit the other way round.

fasttalkerchat

Sappa wrote: »

Give it a try and see of you like it when your own culture is not accepted in these cities and they would rather Muslim law than British law and can't be bothered to speak the countries language.
I'm all for a bit of integration but we should look to Europe and see Brussels,Geneva,Paris have all been over run with immigration and this has lead to a breakdown in services,increased crime and poverty.
The whole project is flawed and needs restructuring,what might have worked in the 70's 80's does not work now and a new approach us needed,Ireland will go the same way.

Some Muslims want to ban alcohol. Some Christians want to ban divorce and being gay. Both can go **** themselves in equal measures. It doesn't mean we should deport either.

Micky Dolenz

atkin wrote: »

from meeting foreigners maybe you don't.

What does this mean?


You really need to look at your rigid opinions, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

Frank Grimes

MAR86 wrote: »

I would like to make Ireland my second home, but it is close to impossible because of these preconceived judgment that I am here to claim, steal and so on.

Not everyone here is that stupid believe me, don't give up!

atkin

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Have you any basis to back this generalization up?

Again, would you be in favour of restricting the movement of Irish people out of Ireland?

To visit most non EU countries requires a visa and can be restrictive.

SocSocPol

Sappa wrote: »

Give it a try and see of you like it when your own culture is not accepted in these cities and they would rather Muslim law than British law and can't be bothered to speak the countries language.
I'm all for a bit of integration but we should look to Europe and see Brussels,Geneva,Paris have all been over run with immigration and this has lead to a breakdown in services,increased crime and poverty.
The whole project is flawed and needs restructuring,what might have worked in the 70's 80's does not work now and a new approach us needed,Ireland will go the same way.

Brussels,Geneva,Paris have all been over run with immigration and this has lead to a breakdown in services,increased crime and poverty
Link to Evidence of this?

atkin

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

What does this mean?


You really need to look at your rigid opinions, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

What is your solution ??

Micky Dolenz

atkin wrote: »

To visit most non EU countries requires a visa and can be restrictive.

Just to make it simple. Would you be in favour of restricted movement of Irish people within the EU?

SocSocPol

atkin wrote: »

from meeting foreigners maybe you don't.

In other words you just made it up to stir the sh*te

MAR86

munchkin_utd wrote: »

actually.....

Romanias solution to having a large ethnic german population living there after the war was to send them to the work (aka death) camps in Siberia on the request of Stalin aparantly.

ok that was in the aftermath of a war, but you did ask what Romania might have done with unwanted foreigners!

PS. I first heard about this at the Dachau Concentration camp as our tour guide was the decendant of these germans. The story only came to light as some american asked her why such a young person would want to volunteer to spend time giving tours around a concentration camp. Her family background meant she had a personal interest in the matter, abeit the other way round.

This is so funny, i think you should blame the Russians for that...Have you seen the size of Russia and the size of Romania? You don't play games with Russia. If they would have asked us to kill ourselves, we would have done it for fear

walrusgumble

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

We have a lot to be thankful in this part of the world. Very very few of us have had to flee our home country because we were in fear of our lives or the lives of our family.

Very few of the asylum claimants have to "flee" their countries either. They are economic migrants and not asylum seekers. If your the latter, you should apply for work permits. Work permits are issued when there is a shortage in the work force. Few of these documents are issued because for the jobs that are available, they can or should be easily filled by Irish or other EU people.

There are no wars or unavoidable acts of persecution for most ordinary citizens in Nigeria, Ghana, Georgia, Pakistan and previously, Romania. Country of Origin Reports consistently point out that State Protection and NGO assistance and Internal Relocation is available in these common countries. UNHCR says economic motives are not grounds constituting persecution.

And we have not even started with analyzing the claims that lack any sort of proof, or credibility or ability to give consistent and non contradictory answers to simple questions asked by the decision makers.

We were not born yesterday Micky.

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

However I've spent the best years of my life being an economic immigrant. This is another freedom afforded to me solely due to what part of the world I happened to be born in. In fact recently I've become one again and am free to travel and work as I please in most parts of Europe and countries beyond.

Assuming your not Irish or Citizen of another EU state

You came lawfully and on a lawful basis. I presume you came via work permit, thus your presence in whatever country was approved and invited. Whether you like it or not, the club called Europe can't take everyone in and has absolutely no obligation to do so when it is unable to do so.I presume you have always being (since the country of birth, wherever it is joined the EU/EEC) or a now an EU citizen (naturalised)

If you are Irish, you had rights to do all of this, as you know

These rights did not come about by accident. Your country and others came about and drew up a plan on how it could deal with its people. You and I benefit from this plan due to not our country of birth (rules vary, but hard not to assume one is a citizen of the country of birth automatically) but where we are citizens

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Immigration is a two way street.

The only questions that is relevant is, can the host state take the person in, or does it need him and is there an obligation via rules on family reunification or refugee law, to take him in. Secondary to this, can the immigrant integrate into society, are there safeguards for him.

What is best for that country.

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Could systems be improved? no doubt they could, no system will ever be perfect and people, some people will abuse it.

True on all fronts. Australia might be worth looking at.

Micky Dolenz

atkin wrote: »

What is your solution ??

I'm an Irish person living and working in another country, things suit me fine. I've actually spent the majority of my professional career working outside of Ireland so things suit me the way they are.

fasttalkerchat

MAR86 wrote: »

I think you are wrong, I for one would love to be integrated more in the Irish culture and society, I would love to have Irish friends (if I wanted to hang out with my own people, I wouldn't have left my country), but it is so difficult because of these prejudices...I would like to make Ireland my second home, but it is close to impossible because of these preconceived judgment that I am here to claim, steal and so on.

Romania is a tough one... there would be that perception because people who we identify as Romanian would dress in a certain way and seem to have some negative aspects in common. I know one Romanian woman who is totally different and says that the Roma are not from her country.
Unfortunately we don't recognise non-Roma Romanians as being from Romania so there is the idea that all Romanians are bad.

atkin

munchkin_utd wrote: »

actually.....

Romanias solution to having a large ethnic german population living there after the war was to send them to the work (aka death) camps in Siberia on the request of Stalin aparantly.

ok that was in the aftermath of a war, but you did ask what Romania might have done with unwanted foreigners!

PS. I first heard about this at the Dachau Concentration camp as our tour guide was the decendant of these germans. The story only came to light as some american asked her why such a young person would want to volunteer to spend time giving tours around a concentration camp. Her family background meant she had a personal interest in the matter, abeit the other way round.

Well you cannot blame us for trying to get rid of your gypsies .We have have enough of our own.

Mod note: banned

alastair

atkin wrote: »

I am 56 too old .I wanted to teach English too old.I cannot claim welfare if I leave even to look. I lived for 6 months last year abroad .I know I should leave to make room for the 'new Irish' and stop complaining.40,000 Irish leave each year.

Going over there and taking their jobs?! Alarming!

alastair

Sappa wrote: »

You got to love these threads,the same old posters I could name them but won't,keep making jokes about swans and free prams to ridicule the thread as they are afraid to face the facts that this is a problem in Ireland and our systems are being massively abused.
I for one hope that Ireland does not go like the UK,it's a disaster just take a few certain cities like Bradford and Burnley,you would find it hard to find a White English speaking person.

That Yorkshire accent can be a bit tricky alright.

Frank Grimes

walrusgumble wrote: »

There are no wars or unavoidable acts of persecution for most ordinary citizens in Nigeria, Ghana, Georgia, Pakistan and previously, Romania.

I can't comment on the other states, but this is not true in the case of Pakistan. Read up on the Ahmadiyya, and Christians to a lesser extent, and how they are treated by the state itself along with the various militant groups operating in Pakistan.

atkin

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Just to make it simple. Would you be in favour of restricted movement of Irish people within the EU?

I lived and worked in Holland for 6 months in 1977 .I remember going to an employment office to look for work.They told me Ireland was not part of the EU and I should not be there.

alastair

atkin wrote: »

Well you cannot blame us for trying to get rid of your gypsies .We have have enough of our own.

No racism there then.

atkin

alastair wrote: »

Going over there and taking their jobs?! Alarming!

No the welfare is better here .

Micky Dolenz

atkin wrote: »

I lived and worked in Holland for 6 months in 1977 .I remember going to an employment office to look for work.They told me Ireland was not part of the EU and I should not be there.

That doesn't answer my question.

And didn't Ireland join in the early 70's?

atkin

alastair wrote: »

No racism there then.

Ok open the doors let all in and give em welfare free houses from the ghost estates.You happy now.

fasttalkerchat

atkin wrote: »

I lived and worked in Holland for 6 months in 1977 .I remember going to an employment office to look for work.They told me Ireland was not part of the EU and I should not be there.

They were right.
The Maastricht Treaty established the European Union under its current name in 1993.