Asylum Seekers /Immigration.

atkin wrote: »

The government had an Asylum agreement that you could only seek asylum at the first port of entry

Wrong, it implemented an asylum agreement as per the UNHCR and now, the EU.

Dublin Convention has being held to be wrongly interpreted, and not fit for its purpose. The policy is also utterly unworkable as it is clear if one looks at why Italy and Greece have had big problems.

A person may apply at any destination. But, if Britain was their first port of call and could have applied there (as oppose to transit) that might go against them.

atkin wrote: »

.The majority not disputed have come from the UK and sought asylum here when they were refused in the UK

If you applied for asylum in the UK, then, Ireland have no reason to even consider the first interview for an asylum case. It is required as Per Dublin Convention then to send them back to UK.

So, I have to ask you, and assuming this people at all times retained their real names and id, "refused" what "in the UK"?

Visitor visas perhaps?

Yes they did come from the UK however.

atkin wrote: »

.There was no agreement on information sharing to identify them.They come and still do across the non existent border from Northern Ireland

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Ironically, many of the taxi drivers that now piss and moan, took the fare and brought them here as border controls were present up to 2001 (army and guardaí) and GNIB were active searching public transport!!!! ( I witnessed it 4 times) Safe to come via taxi if they had the money

atkin wrote: »

There was also the Irish born children rule and that parents could get citizenship here if a child was born .

Being banned, maybe the ground was: Your a retard who can't even get simple facts correct!

There was no rule in giving mother citizenship on the basis of birth of a child. The rule was that the mother got residency , a right to live here. If she wanted citizenship, she had to naturalise, which was not guaranteed.

Fool

atkin wrote: »

.A referendum changed this rule in 2004.

The referendum only changed the rule

On when a child could be an Irish Citizen. See Section 6A of Citizenship act 1956, as amended by Section 4 of 2004 Act.

Case law said parentage to child is NOT a guaranteed right any more (this has being kind of diluted via EU law in some cases)

atkin wrote: »

Most live in rented accommodation now provided by the state and welfare .I believe many will never work .Over 90% of asylum claims are false it could be even 95%.

Your not completely far off, maybe 75-80%

You should look at orac.ie and refappeal.ie for the annual stats.

atkin wrote: »

In 2006 the government allowed new EU members to come with only the restriction that they need to work 2 years before they can claim welfare.

They are allowed 5 years (Directive 24.2 2004/38EC)
THis does not include right to certain allowances with a job seeker is entitled to (not consider social benefit!!!!)

atkin wrote: »

The new EU members can claim welfare here and also a child allowance even if the children do not live here.

Thank Article 7 Regulation 1612/68 and its case law for that. We Irish can do that in England etc

atkin wrote: »

The welfare is less in Poland for example.

Irish decision, no one forced us.

atkin wrote: »

These new EU immigrants worked here believing that they had a future but many lost their jobs and now claim welfare.

EU Law protects your right to stay if you worked for a number of years and lost your job through no fault of your own, or you obtained permanent residency, or you don't meet those conditions but a child is in school here.

The same for Irish in England

atkin wrote: »

There is an increase in the issue of Irish passports which will give our 'new Irish' rights to bring family here.

The increase is due to the increase in the amount who applied since 2008-2009. Conditions are not strict however.

atkin wrote: »

There was a warning in 2006 that when EU structural funds finished it would mean a slow down in the economy.
What is astonishing the government heeded no warnings and examples of immigration in other countries.

Even if it wanted to, EU law, when dealing with EU people would interrupt. IN criticisms, its interpretation have become unprincipled and far too liberal and beyond what countries and even Commission believed in.

atkin wrote: »

I have worked 38 years and lost my job.

And before that probably opposed any one who uttered opposition to them immigrants

atkin wrote: »

I now queue for welfare and see those that just came here by deception getting money with a smile on their faces. This is not racist I just feel let down by government. There is now cuts to welfare,property tax and water rates.The number of Irish leaving is to work abroad is 40,000 each year 2009-2011. We export workers and import immigrants to claim welfare and state housing.

Even if these "wacists" were right, there still might have been legal problems (not so much non EU people)

Minority groups shouted louder and politicians ran away. The majority were indifferent because everyone got sucked into the bull ****e emotional blackmail (and often utterly incomparable) comparisons with the Irish in America etc

atkin wrote: »

Remember foreigners are racist too and that includes blacks.I attended an international college of many nationalities and was subject to racial taunts from blacks.I did not take it serious however.

Tell him to keep his mouth shut if he knew what is good for him. GNIB boys are always round, not all "daddys" are really playing a role in their "irish child"'s life.

atkin wrote: »

The illegal Irish in the USA work do not claim welfare and some even pay taxes. We are not a nation that had colonies but were ruled by Britain and were downtrodden.Looks like we are now fair game again or the usual phrase a SOFT TOUCH .

We never applied for asylum or lied about our country

atkin wrote: »

Jaysus you can find sheep easier than illegals and shop around asylum seekers

Thank the media and everyone who was speaking loud, but actually knew NOTHING about the area