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  • #872
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,199 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Anan1 wrote: »
    You have the choice with parking too. The OP could have chosen not to use that car park.

    That's not my point. It's not like you're given any warning or given the option of leaving the car park if you feck up. People make mistakes. Not everyone is perfect like you. At least with a barrier system, you have a clear option to pay the difference if you underpay for your parking. And the fine if you lose your ticket whatever is far more reasonable, you get charged the overnight rate rather than screwed extortion rates.


  • #873
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,548 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Stark wrote: »
    It's not like you're given any warning

    the sign beside the ticket machine should be enough warning IMO


  • #874
    Drummerboy08
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,102 ✭✭✭✭Drummerboy08


    RoverJames wrote: »
    ;)


    To Anan1's point many comments towards him have been disgraceful, a sort of bullying imo.

    None of my comments have been, yet I've had a few sly digs aimed at me from him, two sides to that coin to RJ.

    As for the legal aspect of it, two members of AGS came to the scene, and left once they were happy the clamp was undamaged, and returned to it's owner.

    If something illegal had happened I'm sure these two officers would have had something to say or do about it.


  • #875
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 23,551 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Drummerboy08 wrote: »
    None of my comments have been, yet I've had a few sly digs aimed at me from him, two sides to that coin to RJ.................

    Bullying can actually occur without your involvement :)
    None of his sly digs at you were disgraceful imo.


  • #876
    Drummerboy08
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,102 ✭✭✭✭Drummerboy08


    RoverJames wrote: »
    Bullying can actually occur without your involvement :)
    None of his sly digs at you were disgraceful imo.

    None of the sly digs aimed at him were disgraceful either, and I'm sure he's well able to look after himself if he is being bullied, without you holding his hand. :)

    Anyhow, we're going OT here.


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  • #877
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 23,551 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Drummerboy08 wrote: »
    None of the sly digs aimed at him were disgraceful either, and I'm sure he's well able to look after himself if he is being bullied, without you holding his hand. :)

    Anyhow, we're going OT here.

    I'm not holding his hand, I'm posting my views on a forum, if you don't like them either ignore them, report them or make cohesive points rather than come out with "holding his hand" comments.

    No doubt some of your handholding buddies will be along shortly despite you being able to look after yourself too ;)


  • #878
    dgt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,985 ✭✭✭✭dgt


    Quite saddened at the way the thread has gone... It's like 2 parts to a song.

    Parking on private property... About a year ago there was a twat parking at the front of our house, blocking access to our small gate for a few days. We got sick of this very quickly and one day he came back to find he was blocked with 2 cars. Abuse was then hurled but we wouldn't let him go. Eventually Mr Navara found out he wasn't so big, felt very small when we were finished with him, then drove off meekly. That taught him a lesson about parking on someone else's private property, especially here. Same principle with clamping, except its a much more grey area.

    I agree and disagree with clamping. I agree as it's supposed to put off arseholes abusing a system which has been provided with a park, parking in disability spaces etc. The threat of loss of use of the car is there and a fine. Supposed to fund for upkeep of the park/rent/insurance etc. I disagree with it as it leave's the vehicle immobilised in the space; loss of use of space to everyone else, loss of parking fee to the owner etc. Some of the prices are extortionate (I once saw a €500 clamp release fee while driving through Cavan) Plus it means some monkey is at your vehicle putting on this clamp.

    Imo up here around Navan there are plenty of grey areas to park in if you don't want to pay for parking. Just a matter if you want to walk or not. Dublin is the same, there are a few grey areas where there are no machines, no lines etc. Just a matter of finding them ;)

    Don't get me wrong people, I hate clampers, a disease among humanity :pac:


  • #879
    BUBBLE WRAP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭BUBBLE WRAP


    dgt wrote: »
    Quite saddened at the way the thread has gone... It's like 2 parts to a song.

    Parking on private property... About a year ago there was a twat parking at the front of our house, blocking access to our small gate for a few days. We got sick of this very quickly and one day he came back to find he was blocked with 2 cars. Abuse was then hurled but we wouldn't let him go. Eventually Mr Navara found out he wasn't so big, felt very small when we were finished with him, then drove off meekly. That taught him a lesson about parking on someone else's private property, especially here. Same principle with clamping, except its a much more grey area.

    I agree and disagree with clamping. I agree as it's supposed to put off arseholes abusing a system which has been provided with a park, parking in disability spaces etc. The threat of loss of use of the car is there and a fine. Supposed to fund for upkeep of the park/rent/insurance etc. I disagree with it as it leave's the vehicle immobilised in the space; loss of use of space to everyone else, loss of parking fee to the owner etc. Some of the prices are extortionate (I once saw a €500 clamp release fee while driving through Cavan) Plus it means some monkey is at your vehicle putting on this clamp.

    Imo up here around Navan there are plenty of grey areas to park in if you don't want to pay for parking. Just a matter if you want to walk or not. Dublin is the same, there are a few grey areas where there are no machines, no lines etc. Just a matter of finding them ;)

    Don't get me wrong people, I hate clampers, a disease among humanity :pac:

    Great post mate, fair play.


  • #880
    jackofalltrades
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    Anan1 wrote: »
    .By derailing the thread you really mean disagreeing with the herd. Every post I made was on-topic and reasoned, even in the face of sustained personal abuse. This thread is the most extreme example of mob mentality i've ever seen in Motors, and i've been around a while. The general attitude can be condensed into three words - burn the witch. It's only now, days later, that some of you are calming down to the point of being able to string together a coherent argument in favour of your point of view.
    Completly agree with you. I could understand being asked by a Mod to stop posting against the rant in Ranting and Raving, but not in the Motors forum.


  • #881
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    Stark wrote: »
    That's not my point. It's not like you're given any warning or given the option of leaving the car park if you feck up.
    You're given the choice not to use the car park.
    Stark wrote: »
    People make mistakes. Not everyone is perfect like you.
    We all make mistakes, but it would appear that only some of us take responsibility for them.
    Stark wrote: »
    At least with a barrier system, you have a clear option to pay the difference if you underpay for your parking. And the fine if you lose your ticket whatever is far more reasonable, you get charged the overnight rate rather than screwed extortion rates.
    So only use car parks with that system - that's your prerogative.
    Drummerboy08 wrote: »
    None of the sly digs aimed at him were disgraceful either, and I'm sure he's well able to look after himself if he is being bullied, without you holding his hand. :)

    Anyhow, we're going OT here.
    Drummerboy, you wanted to see me banned for disagreeing with you. We're both long term posters here and in general terms I respect both you and your outlook, but you really should have a think about that one.


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  • #882
    God Father
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭God Father


    Anan1 wrote: »
    the OP chose to park in a private car park without paying. You're conflating your own issues with clampers with the OP's case.

    NO I DIDN'T. Stop posting crap about me. I came back with change and bought a ticket.
    Anan1 wrote: »
    .Every post I made was on-topic and reasoned

    This is not true! You have attempted to paint my entire situation that day in the most negative, mischievous way possible. creating your own spin on things and having nothing positive to say at all.

    This is not the thread you are looking for. Go create a new one if you want to discuss the merits of clamping.


  • #883
    Drummerboy08
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,102 ✭✭✭✭Drummerboy08


    RoverJames wrote: »
    I'm not holding his hand, I'm posting my views on a forum, if you don't like them either ignore them, report them or make cohesive points rather than come out with "holding his hand" comments.

    No doubt some of your handholding buddies will be along shortly despite you being able to look after yourself too ;)

    Not sure what your last point there is, but fair enough. :confused:


  • #884
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    God Father wrote: »
    NO I DIDN'T. Stop posting crap about me. I came back with change and bought a ticket..
    20 minutes later. Like I said, you chose to leave your car in a private car park for 20 minutes without paying. That's why you were clamped.
    God Father wrote: »
    This is not true! You have attempted to paint my entire situation that day in the most negative, mischievous way possible. creating your own spin on things and having nothing positive to say at all.
    Your situation was a direct result of your own actions. You're right, I have nothing positive to say about them. I think you were wrong.
    God Father wrote: »
    This is not the thread you are looking for. Go create a new one if you want to discuss the merits of clamping.
    This is the thread for discussing your case, and that's what i'm doing.


  • #885
    MugMugs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    Hi Anan1. You haven't answered my question. If you don't want to that's cool...?


  • #886
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    MugMugs wrote: »
    Hi Anan1. You haven't answered my question. If you don't want to that's cool...?
    Sorry, what question?


  • #887
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    God Father wrote: »
    NO I DIDN'T. Stop posting crap about me. I came back with change and bought a ticket.

    Did you still buy the ticket even when you seen you were clamped?
    How much is the car park?


  • #888
    God Father
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭God Father


    Anan1 wrote: »
    you chose to leave your car in a private car park for 20 minutes without paying.

    This is the thread for discussing your case, and that's what i'm doing.


    No I did not. I chose to get change to pay.
    I did not make a conscious decision to go for 20mins to get change.
    I went to get change as quick as I could.

    Also you have taken this thread way beyond and more general than just my case.


  • #889
    MugMugs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    Anan1 wrote: »
    MugMugs wrote: »
    Hi Anan1. You haven't answered my question. If you don't want to that's cool...?
    Sorry, what question?

    Are you a clamper?


  • #890
    God Father
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭God Father


    MugMugs wrote: »
    Are you a clamper?

    More likely a private land owner or car park owner.


  • #891
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    MugMugs wrote: »
    Are you a clamper?
    I did answer that one yesterday, and I made it comprehensive just for you guys. Here's a link: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=79370942&postcount=714


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  • #892
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    God Father wrote: »
    More likely a private land owner or car park owner.
    At least that makes a little more sense. But sorry, no again. I just respect the right of a man to make the rules on his own land is all.


  • #893
    MugMugs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    Anan1 wrote: »
    MugMugs wrote: »
    Are you a clamper?
    I did answer that one yesterday, and I made it comprehensive just for you guys. Here's a link: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=79370942&postcount=714

    Wasn't a direct response to.my.query so.didn't hit.my search. Thanks :)


  • #894
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    MugMugs wrote: »
    Wasn't a direct response to.my.query so.didn't hit.my search. Thanks :)
    No probs, I had to search under a phrase I knew i'd used myself!


  • #895
    MugMugs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    Anan1 wrote: »
    God Father wrote: »
    More likely a private land owner or car park owner.
    At least that makes a little more sense. But sorry, no again. I just respect the right of a man to make the rules on his own land is all.

    By the way. Private land? Car parks are public areas. Irrespective of their ownership, they are considered a public place. You make it sound like he parked in somebody's back garden.


  • #896
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 23,551 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    MugMugs wrote: »
    ........... You make it sound like he parked in somebody's back garden.

    Depends on what meaning you take from "his own land" :)
    To me, that encompasses more than gardens.


  • #897
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    God Father wrote: »
    No I did not. I chose to get change to pay.
    I did not make a conscious decision to go for 20mins to get change.
    I went to get change as quick as I could.
    You left the car for 20 minutes without a ticket, that's why you got clamped. Why it took you 20 minutes is your own affair.
    God Father wrote: »
    Also you have taken this thread way beyond and more general than just my case.
    No, i'm still focused on your case.


  • #898
    MugMugs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    RoverJames wrote: »
    MugMugs wrote: »
    ........... You make it sound like he parked in somebody's back garden.

    Depends on what meaning you take from "his own land" :)
    To me, that encompasses more than gardens.

    True... Boundaries etc. I gated and fenced all areas of my land I didn't want people on without invitation. In the eyes of the law, that land is private.


  • #899
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    MugMugs wrote: »
    By the way. Private land? Car parks are public areas. Irrespective of their ownership, they are considered a public place. You make it sound like he parked in somebody's back garden.
    They're still privately owned, which, in my book at least, means that you either abide by the owners rules or stay away. If everyone respected this then there'd be no need for clampers. I'm not talking about the law here, i'm talking about common decency and respect for property.


  • #900
    MugMugs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    Anan1 wrote: »
    MugMugs wrote: »
    By the way. Private land? Car parks are public areas. Irrespective of their ownership, they are considered a public place. You make it sound like he parked in somebody's back garden.
    They're still privately owned, which, in my book at least, means that you either abide by the owners rules or stay away. If everyone respected this then there'd be no need for clampers.

    But... It's defined as a public place... For the public to use. Without a bye laws in place by the landowner the public are only really obliged to abide by the laws of the land.


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  • #901
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    MugMugs wrote: »
    But... It's defined as a public place... For the public to use. Without a bye laws in place by the landowner the public are only really obliged to abide by the laws of the land.
    Legally you're correct. It was legal to remove the OP's clamp. But I wouldn't put my feet on someone's couch even if I knew that the law would protect me. And I suspect you wouldn't either.


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