Clamped!

MugMugs

RoverJames wrote: »

MugMugs wrote: »

I know where you're going James and before you try just read the last part of that quote

I've read it when I read the rest of the post.
It's apparent that you don't actually know what you'd do but if it was legal you'd refuse exit unless the person paid.

Let's say it was illegal to refuse exit and word got around that the five spaces in your private land could be used to park on and you could do nothing about it and every day they were occupied by non customers, would you like that?

I'd act within the law James. I wouldn't clamp.... Id do what I was allowed do. If it was an issue, I'd bollard the spaces.

What would you do RJ?

Stark

RoverJames wrote: »

I've read it when I read the rest of the post.
It's apparent that you don't actually know what you'd do but if it was legal you'd refuse exit unless the person paid.

Let's say it was illegal to refuse exit and word got around that the five spaces in your private land could be used to park on and you could do nothing about it and every day they were occupied by non customers, would you like that?

Personally I have no issue whatsoever with barrier systems or refusing someone exit until they've paid the cost of their parking. I do have issues with landowners hiring organised thugs to extort hugely disproportionate fees from people often on very sketchy grounds simply because it's more convenient for them.

Marcusm

MugMugs wrote: »

I don't carry cash generally. What if you had to park in a clamping car park to get to the pass machine? Have you never parked and not had change in your pocket? Happens me all the time.

Don't take offence but madness is repeating the same action over and over and expecting a different outcome; why not have some change it's hardly rocket science. I ted to empty my pockets of change into the ashtray each time I get in the car. That way I always have at least one coin. In my experience, very few machines take notes as the fees are not often that high/machines don't give change.

MugMugs

Marcusm wrote: »

MugMugs wrote: »

I don't carry cash generally. What if you had to park in a clamping car park to get to the pass machine? Have you never parked and not had change in your pocket? Happens me all the time.

Don't take offence but madness is repeating the same action over and over and expecting a different outcome; why not have some change it's hardly rocket science. I ted to empty my pockets of change into the ashtray each time I get in the car. That way I always have at least one coin. In my experience, very few machines take notes as the fees are not often that high/machines don't give change.

No offence taken. I put change into my ashtray too. Generally the tolls take that. I actually could go for a month without touching cash. People love dealing with me on whip arounds!

MugMugs

MugMugs wrote: »

I'd act within the law James. I wouldn't clamp.... Id do what I was allowed do. If it was an issue, I'd bollard the spaces.

Decent ish answer but if it came to it I doubt you'd be happy pr1cking about with bollards on a daily basis to facilitate every potential customer, of course they could say they are a customer, park, than sh@g off, when they come back would you remove the bollard to facilitate their exit?

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/traffic_and_parking/parking_fines_and_vehicle_clamping.html

"Clamping on private property is not covered by legislation and the legality of clamping on private property is unclear"

Considering the citizens info folks reckon the legality of clamping on private property is unclear I'm baffled as to why so many people on here are so sure it's illegal at the moment.

Anan1

Stark wrote: »

...often on very sketchy grounds...

OP left their car without a ticket for 20 minutes, remember?

Stark

Anan1 wrote: »

OP left their car without a ticket for 20 minutes, remember?

And 20 minutes of parking without a ticket amounts to how much in unpaid parking fees exactly? Hardly deserving of a €120 punishment.

Stark

Stark wrote: »

And 20 minutes of parking without a ticket amounts to how much in unpaid parking fees exactly? Hardly deserving of a €120 punishment.

.... if the next person did the same, and the one after and the one after etc the space would potentially be constantly occupied and no one ever paying.

Stark

RoverJames wrote: »

.... if the next person did the same, and the one after and the one after etc the space would potentially be constantly occupied and no one ever paying.

Not with a barrier system. The options are there for people to implement a customer friendly system but they'd rather screw people with thugs. There are plenty examples on this thread or people being bullied out of their money even as they were paying for their tickets.

Wexfordian

Stark wrote: »

And 20 minutes of parking without a ticket amounts to how much in unpaid parking fees exactly? Hardly deserving of a €120 punishment.

Whatever that car park has set. Have you never parked in one of those barrier car parks that charges something like E2 per hour, but after 3hrs it jumps to E100? The only time I ever got stung for parking was in one of those in Dunfries.

hondasam

Stark wrote: »

And 20 minutes of parking without a ticket amounts to how much in unpaid parking fees exactly? Hardly deserving of a €120 punishment.

I think 20 minutes is too long to leave without paying but I also think €120 is way too much of a fine.

MugMugs

RoverJames wrote: »

MugMugs wrote: »

I'd act within the law James. I wouldn't clamp.... Id do what I was allowed do. If it was an issue, I'd bollard the spaces.

Decent ish answer but if it came to it I doubt you'd be happy pr1cking about with bollards on a daily basis to facilitate every potential customer, of course they could say they are a customer, park, than sh@g off, when they come back would you remove the bollard to facilitate their exit?

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/traffic_and_parking/parking_fines_and_vehicle_clamping.html

"Clamping on private property is not covered by legislation and the legality of clamping on private property is unclear"

Considering the citizens info folks reckon the legality of clamping on private property is unclear I'm baffled as to why so many people on here are so sure it's illegal at the moment.

I'll level with you. I like Anan1's that clamping should be regulated. It should be

In saying that, I've been clamped twice in a public area where its free to park because I work for a local company. Both times I've disposed of those clamps. I've been threatened, sneered at and reported to my company by these lads. I've seen them clamp and intimidate money from pregnant women to elderly people and I've seen people pay an unfair clamp and appeal only to be shown what kind of farce the appeals system is.

Those two times I got clamped by the way, I wasn't working. I was a customer.

I don't agree with the process but if there was some sort of fairness in how its deployed I could be willing to accept it.

Stark

Stark wrote: »

Not with a barrier system. The options are there for people to implement a customer friendly system but they'd rather screw people with thugs. There are plenty examples on this thread or people being bullied out of their money even as they were paying for their tickets.

Only if you refused exit until the fee was paid, of course barriers can be lifted/removed too without damaging them

Stark

Wexfordian wrote: »

Whatever that car park has set. Have you never parked in one of those barrier car parks that charges something like E2 per hour, but after 3hrs it jumps to E100? The only time I ever got stung for parking was in one of those in Dunfries.

I can honestly say I've never encountered one of them. The most punitive charge I've seen was €50 for losing your entry ticket. Still significantly less than what the thugs charge and the scenario by which you find yourself in that situation is far more clear cut. As long as your ticket is in your wallet, you don't have to worry about coming back to find the car clamped because you missed a bit of mostly scratched off paint on the ground or the ticket fell off the windscreen or whatever.

Stark

RoverJames wrote: »

Only if you refused exit until the fee was paid,

Which is fine.

RoverJames wrote: »

of course barriers can be lifted/removed too without damaging them

Does this happen often enough that it's an issue for owner of barrier operated car parks?

Stark

Stark wrote: »

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Does this happen often enough that it's an issue for owner of barrier operated car parks?

I dunno.

Does removal of clamps?

Btw I worked in a car park with no barrier, if you didn't pay you didn't get your car keys back, no one ever refused to pay so we were all happy

colm_mcm

So would removing the barrier arm, driving off and replacing the arm without damaging the barrier be ok?

Stark

RoverJames wrote: »

I dunno.

Does removal of clamps?

Getting away with something doesn't make it any less immoral.

RoverJames wrote: »

Btw I worked in a car park with no barrier, if you didn't pay you didn't get your car keys back, no one ever refused to pay so we were all happy

How much did you charge? I'd have no problem saying to someone "give me what you owe me for parking". I would have a problem with refusing to give anyone and everyone regardless of their financial status, age or whatever their keys until they gave me €120 for going 10 minutes over on their ticket.

Presumably if you did try to charge a looney fine, the person would just have gone home and came back with a spare set of keys.

Marcusm

MugMugs wrote: »

No offence taken. I put change into my ashtray too. Generally the tolls take that. I actually could go for a month without touching cash. People love dealing with me on whip arounds!

My god, the queen of England has been a boards poster all this time!

MugMugs

Marcusm wrote: »

MugMugs wrote: »

No offence taken. I put change into my ashtray too. Generally the tolls take that. I actually could go for a month without touching cash. People love dealing with me on whip arounds!

My god, the queen of England has been a boards poster all this time!

We are not amused.

Stark

Stark wrote: »

Getting away with something doesn't make it any less immoral.

So refusing to lift the barrier would be immoral

Stark wrote: »

How much did you charge? I'd have no problem saying to someone "give me what you owe me for parking". I would have a problem with refusing to give anyone and everyone regardless of their financial status, age or whatever their keys until they gave me €120 for going 10 minutes over on their ticket.

Can't remember tbh, it was back in 2001 I think, pre € days, IR£/hour or part of I think it might have been, not sure though. We allowed a 10 minute grace period before charging for the 2nd hour.

Anan1

MugMugs wrote: »

I don't agree with the process but if there was some sort of fairness in how its deployed I could be willing to accept it.

Do you think that there was some sort of fairness in how the OP was clamped?

Stark

Stark wrote: »

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Presumably if you did try to charge a looney fine, the person would just have gone home and came back with a spare set of keys.

We'd would have blocked the car in with one or more other cars as required, when people came back we'd have to move a car or too to faciliate their exit, we only started moving cars once the parking fee was paid. Any car we didn't have the keys for would have been parked bumper to wall and another car blocking it in. We used to direct folks we didn't know not to park to the wall but to double park and leave their keys when getting their ticket, anyone who didn't fancy that (and there were many) were facilitated happily, as soon as they left on foot their car was blocked in.

Anan1

Stark wrote: »

And 20 minutes of parking without a ticket amounts to how much in unpaid parking fees exactly? Hardly deserving of a €120 punishment.

The OP chose to park in a car park where that was the penalty for not displaying a ticket. If they felt that €120 was an unreasonable penalty then they should have parked elsewhere.

Stark

RoverJames wrote: »

So refusing to lift the barrier would be immoral

Debatable but certainly on a far far smaller scale than extorting a week's rent out of someone and not even giving 10 mins grace.

RoverJames wrote: »

Can't remember tbh, it was back in 2001 I think, pre € days, IR£/hour or part of I think it might have been, not sure though. We allowed a 10 minute grace period before charging for the 2nd hour.

Fair enough. That's operating with common decency in mind.

Gary ITR

I think we should all discuss this over a few pints, first round is on the op

Marcusm

Gary ITR wrote: »

I think we should all discuss this over a few pints, first round is on the op

You might want to check in advance that he doesn't operate on the same basis as Her Majesty MugsMugs else you'll be settling the bill yourself; evidence to date not very encouraging.....:D

BUBBLE WRAP

Gary ITR wrote: »

I think we should all discuss this over a few pints, first round is on the op

Il get my coat.

sReq | uTeK

Anan1 wrote: »

The OP chose to park in a car park where that was the penalty for not displaying a ticket. If they felt that €120 was an unreasonable penalty then they should have parked elsewhere.

You argue purely for the sake of arguing.

Do you agree with clamping in general by the NCPS or APCOA?

Grolschevik

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

You argue purely for the sake of arguing.

Do you agree with clamping in general by the NCPS or APCOA?

And we're off again...