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Ireland u20 6 Nations & World Cup 2012

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    #2252
    mikeruurds
    Registered Users Posts: 1,870 ✭✭✭mikeruurds


    I'm always amazed at the quality of young players coming through in Ireland. When I moved over from SA in 2002 I was under the impression that rugby was played at most schools like it is in SA, but discovered that it wasn't the case.

    For such a relatively small playing population your grassroots system produces some seriously talented youngsters. All good news for the future.

    Enjoy the games tomorrow. I'm hoping BOD and the rest of the team can make some history.


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    #2253
    Monty Burnz
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    Tox56 wrote: »
    Is it too simplistic to say that we'll have a good group next year because our U-18's did well this year? Hope so anyway, not many left next year from this group
    I've had a look around for the rules on seeding, but it's hard to find anything as the 'seeding' usually refers to that in the 4th round of the competition.


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    #2254
    ormond lad
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    GerM wrote: »
    I assume that finishing 5th means we are now second seeds for the next tournament? Also, with Wales finishing third, there is potentially a handy group in the offing.
    We are ranked 5th but according to a poster on mf's the draw is the same every year. See here post 1662
    So as the 5th ranked side, in our group for next years comp we will have the 2nd, 8th and 11th ranked sides in our group next year. Therefore our group next year will be new zealand, australia and fiji


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    #2255
    Monty Burnz
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    ormond lad wrote: »
    We are ranked 5th but according to a poster on mf's the draw is the same every year. See here post 1662
    So as the 5th ranked side, in our group for next years comp we will have the 2nd, 8th and 11th ranked sides in our group next year. Therefore our group next year will be new zealand, australia and fiji
    Jeez, what a reward :eek:


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    #2256
    mikeruurds
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Jeez, what a reward :eek:

    Group of death :eek:


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    #2257
    Tox56
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Tox56 wrote: »
    Is it too simplistic to say that we'll have a good group next year because our U-18's did well this year? Hope so anyway, not many left next year from this group
    I've had a look around for the rules on seeding, but it's hard to find anything as the 'seeding' usually refers to that in the 4th round of the competition.

    I meant group as in group of players, finishing 5th this year definitely helps our possible "group" next year


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    #2258
    Tox56
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    Or maybe not.. although I wouldn't mind playing NZ


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    #2259
    justsomebloke
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    This isn't a religion forum if you want to talk about people beliefs please do it else where


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    #2260
    profitius
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    Ireland finished 5th but were a top 3 team in reality. The reason this lot had such a hard group was because of the poor record in the last tournament.

    Looking forward to next year. Where is it being held next year?


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    #2261
    Monty Burnz
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    profitius wrote: »
    Ireland finished 5th but were a top 3 team in reality. The reason this lot had such a hard group was because of the poor record in the last tournament.
    I seems doing well doesn't help you very much either!


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    #2262
    ormond lad
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    profitius wrote: »
    Ireland finished 5th but were a top 3 team in reality. The reason this lot had such a hard group was because of the poor record in the last tournament.

    Looking forward to next year. Where is it being held next year?
    In france next year


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    #2263
    RuggaBugga
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    I'd rather have New Zealand and Australia than South Africa and England.. (yeah i said it).
    But regardless, we always seem to get the short end of the stick..


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    #2264
    profitius
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    I seems doing well doesn't help you very much either!

    Its probably a bit unlucky but even so, I'd prefer Australia than England at this age group. NZ will be the favs again but the way we're starting to develop players here, we should be able to send out another strong side.


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    #2265
    Tox56
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    Anyone know anything about next years side? This year proves that a strong pack is vital (especially at this level), we had a very talented backline last year that went nowhere


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    #2266
    ormond lad
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    Tox56 wrote: »
    Anyone know anything about next years side? This year proves that a strong pack is vital (especially at this level), we had a very talented backline last year that went nowhere
    You wont know much until after the u20 interpros in september. You could look at last septembers u19 interpro squads as a lot of the players in those squads will be in the 20s this september. All i know is munster will have more players involved as munster were better than normal at 18s level when the 93s where the age group


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    #2267
    Monty Burnz
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    Tox56 wrote: »
    Anyone know anything about next years side? This year proves that a strong pack is vital (especially at this level), we had a very talented backline last year that went nowhere
    That's absolutely the lesson that I took from this year - look at the Boks too, their backs weren't great aside from the S/H and the first centre.


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    #2268
    Hagz
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    The Byrne twins will only add to the strength of the front row. Thornbury is another decent looking lock. Hard to know what the back-row will look like. Will Jack O'Donoghue be ready to play u20 next season Ormond?
    McFarland is the only real dangerous back I can think of that will be involved. McGrath, Olding and Farrell will still be playing next year.


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    #2269
    Monty Burnz
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    Hagz wrote: »
    McFarland is the only real dangerous back I can think of that will be involved. McGrath, Olding and Farrell will still be playing next year.
    I didn't see much from Olding, but I guess having the same centre partnership next year must count for something. Farrell looked quite a handful.

    McGrath was clearly outshone by Marmion for my money.


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    #2270
    shuffol
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    I didn't see much from Olding, but I guess having the same centre partnership next year must count for something. Farrell looked quite a handful.

    McGrath was clearly outshone by Marmion for my money.

    Think Oldings best position is meant to be 10. Tough group next year but seeing as its a development competition I think its better in the long run for these young players to get exposure against the top sides.


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    #2271
    Tox56
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    McGrath is a bit like JJ, clearly a talented player but is error prone.

    His pass is a worry but he is only young, Marmion outshone him in the sense that he started ahead of him in almost every game, but McGrath will be a senior squad member next year, so hopefully he can step up.


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    #2272
    Hagz
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    I didn't see much from Olding, but I guess having the same centre partnership next year must count for something. Farrell looked quite a handful.

    McGrath was clearly outshone by Marmion for my money.

    I would expect Olding to be out-half, I believe that's his natural position.
    Hard to know who will be outside centre. Maybe Adam Byrne, or Rob Henshaw, or maybe O'Loughlin (but he might be a bit young)

    I wouldn't agree with your last statement. Marmion was definitely the right option and deserved to start, but he's a had year already at this level and is therefore more composed. McGrath, for someone as young as he is, IMO showed a lot of promise. He looks to have that X factor that perhaps Marmion doesn't. But it's easy to criticise McGrath given the hype surrounding him.


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    #2273
    ormond lad
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    Hagz wrote: »
    The Byrne twins will only add to the strength of the front row. Thornbury is another decent looking lock. Hard to know what the back-row will look like. Will Jack O'Donoghue be ready to play u20 next season Ormond?
    McFarland is the only real dangerous back I can think of that will be involved. McGrath, Olding and Farrell will still be playing next year.
    JODs in munster 20s squad and as he's been training with the full munster squad recently http://www.munsterrugby.ie/news/10569.php (he's in pic 3 and is 3rd from the left) i imagine he could potentially be ready to play next year but again il say wait and see how all the interpros go in september before talking about next years team.


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    #2274
    Monty Burnz
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    Hagz wrote: »
    McGrath, for someone as young as he is, IMO showed a lot of promise.
    Isn't he the same age as the Bok s/h?
    Hagz wrote: »
    He looks to have that X factor that perhaps Marmion doesn't.
    I'd give up a lot of X-factor for someone who does the basics very well.
    Hagz wrote: »
    But it's easy to criticise McGrath given the hype surrounding him.
    Yeah, this is probably part of my problem with him alright, which isn't his fault.


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    #2275
    Tox56
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    Well McGrath's one of the youngest (if not the youngest) player in the squad, so he's very raw.

    This year was good for experience, next year will be when we find out what he's made of, he'll probably start every important game bar injury.


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    #2276
    GerM
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    If you scan this year's U19 side, it should give a rough idea of who might be in the line up for next season. The lads who are eligible for next season will be in the mix, I'm sure i.e. McGrath, Olding, Farrell and Van der Flier along with the likes of the Byrne twins and Thornbury who have already been taken into the Leinster academy.

    Not sure who has been taken into the other academies but I'm sure there's already the core of a team there between those alone.


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    #2277
    Hagz
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Isn't he the same age as the Bok s/h?
    Dunno....is that relevant:pac:
    I'd give up a lot of X-factor for someone who does the basics very well.
    Screw that. Give me Will Genia over Mike Blair any day of the week. Raw natural talent isn't teachable, basics are.

    I'd like to see Marmion given a few opportunities with Connacht next season. Their SH options are pretty weak IMO, and as you say, Marmion does the basics very well. I don't expect McGrath to get any senior appearances, maybe 1 or 2, but getting that starting jersey for the u20 next season will give him a lot more time to show what he's made of.


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    #2278
    Hagz
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    What ever happened to Conor McEllin?? The guy looked promising. He had skill and real pace.


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    #2279
    Funk It
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    McGrath was clearly outshone by Marmion for my money.

    Agreed.

    Will be interesting to see McGrath next year though.

    I am a big fan of changing SHs in games, I think it can change up the attacking platforms and tempo, great to have the option of 2 promising and confident SHs in the side.


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    #2280
    Fishooks12
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    Marmion was fantastic throughout the championship. Would love to see him in red


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    #2281
    Funk It
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    Fishooks12 wrote: »
    Marmion was fantastic throughout the championship. Would love to see him in red

    Hanrahan for Marmion swap and we might listen


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