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Farming and Gas Fracking

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  • #242
    colrow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,141 ✭✭✭colrow


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17073435


  • #243
    corazon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 123 ✭✭corazon


    From the Guardian today,

    Gas 'fracking' gets green light
    Drilling method can be extended throughout UK, say experts, even though it has caused two earthquakes

    Ministers have been advised to allow the controversial practice of fracking for shale gas to be extended in Britain, despite it causing two earthquakes and the emergence of serious doubts over the safety of the wells that have already been drilled.

    The advice of the first official British government report into fracking, published on Tuesday, is all but certain to be accepted by ministers, with the result that thousands of new wells could be drilled across the UK.


    Well whatever about Leitrim, it looks like we will have drilling north of the border. If drilling starts on the Fermanagh side can they access reserves on the Leitrim side? I understand that horizontal drilling is used. Who will monitor where the gas is taken from? Is most of the find north or south of the border and will there be any benefit to the south if only the UK side drills?


  • #244
    Builderfromhell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,571 ✭✭✭Builderfromhell


    corazon wrote: »
    From the Guardian today,

    Gas 'fracking' gets green light
    Drilling method can be extended throughout UK, say experts, even though it has caused two earthquakes

    Ministers have been advised to allow the controversial practice of fracking for shale gas to be extended in Britain, despite it causing two earthquakes and the emergence of serious doubts over the safety of the wells that have already been drilled.

    The advice of the first official British government report into fracking, published on Tuesday, is all but certain to be accepted by ministers, with the result that thousands of new wells could be drilled across the UK.


    Well whatever about Leitrim, it looks like we will have drilling north of the border. If drilling starts on the Fermanagh side can they access reserves on the Leitrim side? I understand that horizontal drilling is used. Who will monitor where the gas is taken from? Is most of the find north or south of the border and will there be any benefit to the south if only the UK side drills?

    Thanks for posting.
    Very surprised the UK are going ahead with fracking.
    My understanding is that if fracking pollutes groundwater in fermanagh then that polluted water will migrate along the shannon basin. i don't see where else the polluted water can go.


  • #245
    meenaghman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 ✭meenaghman


    corazon wrote: »
    Well it looks like we are going to get to hear the other side of the argument. Fracknation just got funded through small donations online and will show some of the positive economic effects from fracking. It should make a good counterpoint to Gaslands. Good to see that the environment/green lobby is not the only voice been heard. I hope it is more balanced than Gaslands. It is been made by Irish film producers so it will be interesting to see how they cover our local angle. Maybe we can set up a screening?

    Well to be fair all the anti-fracking networks I've been involved with have never denied there will be a commercial benefit to this gas. They are concerned that the local residents will take all the risks - and get none of these benefits - the loss in jobs and income in Tourism/Farming will offset anything from drilling. Personally I also hate the way N Leitrim and W Fermanagh are described by Tamboran as minor tourism areas and like as though we need jobs 'given to us' -- Fermanagh is the most entrepreneurial county in Northern Ireland (ie no. of business startups and no. of self employed) This area has a very rich social history which will be lost if its depopulated through Fracking -- Farmers won't be able to get insurance (already proven in Fermanagh).

    It Seems the current government in the Republic is in full throttle with sell of of resources - To add to Fracking in N Leitrim we now have Coal Seam Gas / Coal Bed Methane (ie fracking or extreme cavitation of Coal seams) to contend with in Roscommon/Sligo/Leitrim (Arigna mines) and elsewhere in Tipperary and Laois/Kilkenny coalfields. This makes fracking look like mowing the lawn, environmentally wise ...
    http://www.terra-energy.co.uk/index.php?page=operations

    Read and Weep.


  • #246
    deCourcey chick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 ✭deCourcey chick


    This is a funny article if it weren't also so scary.

    http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/science-technology/only-a-chance-of-cthulhu-say-fracking-experts-201204185135/


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  • #247
    Digitaljunkie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 349 ✭✭Digitaljunkie


    deCourcey chick wrote: »
    This is a funny article if it weren't also so scary.

    http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/science-technology/only-a-chance-of-cthulhu-say-fracking-experts-201204185135/

    Looks like the devil's finally getting peed-off with us boaring holes in his roof........:D


  • #248
    Voodoo_rasher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭Voodoo_rasher


    read this from Derry poster

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056331841

    Print it out in its current form while you still can.


  • #249
    charlemont
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0504/1224315591367.html

    RONAN McGREEVY

    A GROUP of business people in north Leitrim have defended their decision to accept a €20,000 donation from a company which wishes to carry out hydraulic fracturing (fracking) in the area.

    The Manorhamilton Enterprise Forum, made up of “hardworking, decent, honest people struggling to make ends meet in the biggest recession we have known”, said it would not be deterred by those opposed to fracking.

    The donation was given following a meeting with Tamboran Resources representatives on April 2nd. The forum, which represents businesses in Manorhamilton, accepted the money to fund a feasibility study and planning application for a hotel in the town.

    Forum chairman Tony Feeney said the donation did not mean it approved of the controversial process of fracking, which opponents claim will contaminate the environment and lead to industrial over-development in Co Leitrim.

    Fracking involves pumping high pressure water into deep wells to liberate gas reserves. Tamboran has stated that it intends to centre activities on a Border area surrounding north Leitrim and south Fermanagh.

    Mr Feeney said the forum would be guided by the decision of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) as to whether or not fracking was safe. The EPA is currently carrying out a study on the potential environmental impact of fracking in Ireland.

    Local Sinn Féin TD Michael Colreavy said it was a “joke” for the forum to accept a donation to build a hotel when fracking could destroy the tourism potential of the area.



    I knew it would happen..We would sell our own mothers in this cesspit of an island..


  • #250
    corazon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 123 ✭✭corazon


    They haven't even started drilling yet and already we are seeing economic benefits.


  • #251
    Digitaljunkie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 349 ✭✭Digitaljunkie


    corazon wrote: »
    They haven't even started drilling yet and already we are seeing economic benefits.

    Originally Posted by corazon
    "Well it looks like we are going to get to hear the other side of the argument"

    Yep, their starting to pay paddy off like the politicians and developers did in the 2000's and look where that got us....:pac:.....


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  • #252
    hiltonclary
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5 ✭hiltonclary


    The farmers are treated badly in some countries. There is need to do something for them, to improve their condition.


  • #253
    charlemont
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    corazon wrote: »
    They haven't even started drilling yet and already we are seeing economic benefits.

    €20,000 is nothing, how is that an economic benefit ?


  • #254
    Digitaljunkie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 349 ✭✭Digitaljunkie


    charlemont wrote: »
    €20,000 is nothing, how is that an economic benefit ?

    Wouldn't even buy a decent car, but it would fit in a brown envelope...;)

    Ahh the auld days are back, or did they ever disappear :confused:.


  • #255
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,950 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Digitaljunkie wrote: »
    Wouldn't even buy a decent car, but it would fit in a brown envelope...;)

    Ahh the auld days are back, or did they ever disappear :confused:.

    but it would fit in a SMALL brown envelope ;):)


  • #256
    tuppence
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭tuppence


    It shows the calibre of the company who are prepared to play divide and conquer techniques in an unscrupolous fashion. Companies have done this type of thing elsewhere internationally.

    Seems as though all the business members may not have even been balloted and up in arms, loads of them resigning etc.


  • #257
    tuppence
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭tuppence


    http://www.sligotoday.ie/details.php?id=19901&fb_source=message


  • #258
    meenaghman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 ✭meenaghman


    Although actually given this information which drives a cart and horse through Tamboran's business plan

    >>>
    Right now everyone's calmed down about the 55 bn .. perhaps we could spot the mistake...
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...311046794.html

    2.2 Trillion cubic feet / 1000 = 2.2 Billion cubic feet.
    multiplied by 2.50 dollars = 5.5 billion dollars of Gas... Hardly worth getting out of bed for :-)
    Thats 5.5 billion dollars over 30 years versus Agri business approx 8bn euros / year...

    >>>

    MEF might just have managed to pull off the cute-hoor deal of the decade....
    Still wondering where their moral compass got mislaid though.


  • #259
    corazon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 123 ✭✭corazon


    Interesting story in the NY Times about a local rural community coming together with a lawyer to hold the gas companies to high environmental standards and make sure the landowners get a good deal.

    New Value for Land in Rural Ohio


  • #260
    garth-marenghi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭garth-marenghi


    public meeting on Fracking coming up in Manorhamilton on June 12th for anyone interested


    Your Future is in your hands: Don’t let it get Fracked!

    The people of the North West are invited to a public awareness meeting about the future of gas mining in their area, where they will be reminded they have the power to stop it.

    Your Future is in Your hands-Don’t let Leitrim get Fracked is been hosted by the Love Leitrim Group in the Bee Park Centre, Manorhamilton, Leitrim, on Tuesday 12th June 8.30pm.

    It is organised to respond to the recently published Environmental Protection Agencies (EPA) desktop study from Aberdeen University. The report looked at aspects of the process of hydraulic fracturing using peer-reviewed data available.


    The objectives of the night are to draw on that report and review the latest research at the meeting. The wider aspects not covered by the study of the procedure will also be investigated. These include health aspects, economic reverberations, the visual impact, as well as looking at the specific geology of the area proposed.

    A panel of experts will be in attendance on the night, including local GP, Dr. Carroll O Dolan, Vet Rob Doyle, (MVB) and the Sligo based Hydro geologist David Galazzi. The Chair on the night will be Mary Daly.

    Eddie Mitchell PRO Love Leitrim says

    People should come along and engage with the information and help develop all of our knowledge about the proposed development. We are committed to a scientific and evidence based argument and making our decisions based on it. We will be presenting this information to the wider community so that they make their own minds up, or deepen their awareness of the issue.

    The running theme of the night will be that people have the power to change the licence.

    Eddie explains

    The people of North West are the biggest stakeholders and have the most to lose in this issue. We need to stand together for the sake of our children’s future. We all have a role to play.

    For more information on the event please contact proloveleitrim@hotmail.com
    Or Love Leitrim on 085 1053319


  • #261
    tuppence
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭tuppence


    This is a rich piece of desk top research that shows the importance of the agricultural industry and the risk associated nationally if fracking were to be introduced. Essential reading for the sector.


    http://shalegasresearchireland.wordpress.com/2012/05/27/irelands-agriculture-and-food-industry-and-the-shale-gas-question/


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  • #262
    bob charles
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    I disappointed that the extremists having linked the earth-quake recently and fracking


  • #263
    deCourcey chick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 ✭deCourcey chick


    tuppence wrote: »
    This is a rich piece of desk top research that shows the importance of the agricultural industry and the risk associated nationally if fracking were to be introduced. Essential reading for the sector.


    http://shalegasresearchireland.wordpress.com/2012/05/27/irelands-agriculture-and-food-industry-and-the-shale-gas-question/

    While the very few scientific articles which have linked pollution to fracking were referenced in this report, I was disappointed that the content of these papers was barely referred to. I thought they were too under stated.


  • #264
    tuppence
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    deCourcey chick wrote: »
    While the very few scientific articles which have linked pollution to fracking were referenced in this report, I was disappointed that the content of these papers was barely referred to. I thought they were too under stated.

    Yes I agree. But think that start toward a wider cost benefit analysis of this issue a good way forward.

    Maybe people with budgets or students needing areas for study in thesis may start pulling that sort of referenced info together to aid the debate.


  • #265
    deCourcey chick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 ✭deCourcey chick


    Good idea. I guess the bottom line is what will concern many.


  • #266
    Anita M.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 260 ✭✭Anita M.


    Nice site with links to similarly named sites and very informative videos.
    http://powervideotube.com/watch_video.php?v=1S8D4SRM42KK
    Also this link on it, about global warming http://powervideotube.com/watch_video.php?v=YHMNONG5BWRH


  • #267
    tuppence
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭tuppence


    A farmer in Leitrim yesterday shows what way he thinks with a giant antifracking sticker on his tractor. Signs of resistance within the farming and wider community becoming more obvious.


  • #268
    tuppence
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭tuppence


    10km walk/run on in North leitrim on sat, 23rd. Reg 10am. Hope that people will feel happy to travel and join together in a show of solidarity on this pressing national issue.
    http://www.mylocalnews.ie/articles/529/13/love-leitrim-260567/10-km-event-to-celebrate-landscape-of-leitrim-39151/


  • #269
    garth-marenghi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭garth-marenghi


    http://dailymaverick.co.za/article/2...cking-defector


    Interesting interview with Professor Gerrit van Tonder who went from been an ardent supporter of Fracking to a staunch opponent of the process.


  • #270
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,950 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    garth-marenghi wrote: »
    http://dailymaverick.co.za/article/2...cking-defector


    Interesting interview with Professor Gerrit van Tonder who went from been an ardent supporter of Fracking to a staunch opponent of the process.

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  • #271
    garth-marenghi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭garth-marenghi


    http://dailymaverick.co.za/article/2012-06-15-confessions-of-a-fracking-defector


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