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We haven't had a good Public Sector bashing thread in ages

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  • #242
    user098
    Closed Accounts Posts: 83 ✭✭user098


    LilyCricket wrote: »
    I don't! To a private sector person, its 4 days this year, almost a week!!!

    count yourself very lucky

    Actually its the norm in the places I've worked, so instead of inferring all ordinary workers, public or private, should have your shyte conditions, you should get yourself a better job.


  • #243
    golden lane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭golden lane


    micropig wrote: »
    The country seems to tick along the same whether they're there or not;)


    but I've yet to see the same perk in the private sector


    the private sector has to compete for a living.....the public sector sits back and enjoys it...


  • #244
    user098
    Closed Accounts Posts: 83 ✭✭user098


    Monife wrote: »
    The working day for workers in the Civil/Public service who have flexi time (not all do) is 6 hours and 57 minutes. You need to work up an extra 6 hours and 57 minutes if you want a day off the following month. You can work up a maximum of 11 hours and 30 minutes, so that would get you 1 and a half days off plus an extra hour to add to your clock for the following month.

    But the poster was claiming you get 7 hours off for working up 2 hours


  • #245
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    micropig wrote: »
    The country seems to tick along the same whether they're there or not;)


    but I've yet to see the same perk in the private sector

    If you could take this time unpaid would you take it?


  • #246
    LilyCricket
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 232 ✭✭LilyCricket


    user098 wrote: »
    You should be happy so many in your famaily are employed by the PS then.
    They probably enjoy winding you up because of your envy, begrudgery and complaints about them. I don't blame them.


    Do you know what? I really don't. I'm happy they do well for themselves in this regard. They speak every day about the people they work with, and it ain't pretty to be honest.


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  • #247
    user098
    Closed Accounts Posts: 83 ✭✭user098


    golden lane wrote: »
    the private sector has to compete for a living.....

    So why does that not apply to private sector bankers, scama, developers, etc. ?

    Why are most private sector goods and services better and cheaper in NI ?


  • #248
    mbiking123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭mbiking123


    the private sector has to compete for a living.....the public sector sits back and enjoys it...

    Some areas of public sector must compete otherwise their jobs/position will be privatised


  • #249
    Monife
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,014 ✭✭✭Monife


    user098 wrote: »
    But the poster was claiming you get 7 hours off for working up 2 hours

    No, that is incorrect. What company, public or not, would in there right mind give you free time off for absolutely no reason? You have to work up the time you want to take off, up to a maximum of 11 hours and 30 minutes.


  • #250
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    In January 2011, the outgoing government drafted a revised action plan for the implementation of the Croke Park Agreement. As a part of this action plan, the issue of privilege days has really come to the fore. Privilege days originated from the British-run civil service before 1922 to allow civil servants to take two days off on the King’s Birthday and also on Empire Day. These days survived the move to independence and were subsequently taken as leave days at Christmas and Easter


    Aside from Empire day and the King’s birthday, privilege days of a ridiculous nature have recently come to light. In Kildare, civil servant workers were afforded a day off to attend a horse racing festival in Punchestown. Similarly, Galway public servants received days off to attend the Galway races. This trend seems to have pervaded the majority of counties with Waterford and Kerry, for example, allowing days off to attend local festivals. However, the privileged day entitlement that takes the biscuit was the day off afforded by Leitrim County Council for its servants to attend a regatta on the Shannon which has long since been discontinued. Even though the regatta was no longer in operation, the representative unions still secured a victory when the Council sought to remove this day as the union successfully negotiated compensation for the affected employees. This must be viewed in the context of a system which continues to allow Clerical officers a half an hour a week off and higher grades a half an hour a fortnight to cash pay cheques, even though most of them are paid by means of electronic transfer.



    Seems like ye were a bit looser with the privilege days than ye make out;);) Gravy train has stopped:p


  • #251
    user098
    Closed Accounts Posts: 83 ✭✭user098


    LilyCricket wrote: »
    Do you know what? I really don't. I'm happy they do well for themselves in this regard. They speak every day about the people they work with, and it ain't pretty to be honest.

    So why would you spread shyte about them only working up 2 hours to get a full day off ?


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  • #252
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    user098 wrote: »
    But the poster was claiming you get 7 hours off for working up 2 hours

    The poster actually claimed they got 8 hrs for working half hour which meant they would get 32 hrs for working 2 hrs.


  • #253
    golden lane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭golden lane


    mbiking123 wrote: »
    Some areas of public sector must compete otherwise their jobs/position will be privatised

    and a very good idea that would be........it is digusting that people who have to work long hours with no security....are made to pay for the public sector........and even more so that they think that you are entitled to that...


  • #254
    user098
    Closed Accounts Posts: 83 ✭✭user098


    golden lane wrote: »
    and a very good idea that would be........it is digusting that people who have to work long hours with no security....are made to pay for the 200 billlion being given to private speculators, bondholders, bankers, scama and developers........and even more so that they think they are entitled to that...

    fyp


  • #255
    mbiking123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭mbiking123


    In January 2011, the outgoing government drafted a revised action plan for the implementation of the Croke Park Agreement. As a part of this action plan, the issue of privilege days has really come to the fore. Privilege days originated from the British-run civil service before 1922 to allow civil servants to take two days off on the King’s Birthday and also on Empire Day. These days survived the move to independence and were subsequently taken as leave days at Christmas and Easter


    Aside from Empire day and the King’s birthday, privilege days of a ridiculous nature have recently come to light. In Kildare, civil servant workers were afforded a day off to attend a horse racing festival in Punchestown. Similarly, Galway public servants received days off to attend the Galway races. This trend seems to have pervaded the majority of counties with Waterford and Kerry, for example, allowing days off to attend local festivals. However, the privileged day entitlement that takes the biscuit was the day off afforded by Leitrim County Council for its servants to attend a regatta on the Shannon which has long since been discontinued. Even though the regatta was no longer in operation, the representative unions still secured a victory when the Council sought to remove this day as the union successfully negotiated compensation for the affected employees. This must be viewed in the context of a system which continues to allow Clerical officers a half an hour a week off and higher grades a half an hour a fortnight to cash pay cheques, even though most of them are paid by means of electronic transfer.

    Ya, Pro-treaty governement made alot of mistakes and that one of them - Kings birthday ! In any case privileged days are gone now

    Also as a person living in Galway, many private sector workers get time off to go to races. If you live in galway you would understand the hype that there is around that week.

    The time off to cash cheques is also gone, and new entrants over the past number of years did not have that entitlement


  • #256
    LilyCricket
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 232 ✭✭LilyCricket


    mbiking123 wrote: »
    Ya, Pro-treaty governement made alot of mistakes and that one of them - Kings birthday ! In any case privileged days are gone now

    Also as a person living in Galway, many private sector workers get time off to go to races. If you live in galway you would understand the hype that there is around that week.

    The time off to cash cheques is also gone, and new entrants over the past number of years did not have that entitlement


    God love them :(


  • #257
    golden lane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭golden lane


    user098 wrote: »
    So why does that not apply to private sector bankers, scama, developers, etc. ?

    Why are most private sector goods and services better and cheaper in NI ?


    first......banks etc have to compete in the market.....in the uk and i presume northern ireland..

    second....why are they dearer in the republic.......?


  • #258
    Monife
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,014 ✭✭✭Monife


    micropig wrote: »
    Sorry to offend any paperclip tray fillers, It is an important role and valuable to the country:p

    How dare you make a sweeping generalisation that civil servants are paperclip tray fillers? Have you worked a day in their shoes? Yes there may be some lazy workers (as there are in all companies) who do the most mundane, repetitive jobs that your dog could probably do, but there are also a lot of people who work damn hard and get little thanks for it. I would bet my annual wage (and I am temporary) that you would not be able to do the job I do, without extensive training, and even that is pushing it!


  • #259
    mbiking123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭mbiking123


    and a very good idea that would be........it is digusting that people who have to work long hours with no security....are made to pay for the public sector........and even more so that they think that you are entitled to that...

    private sector workers do have security, know of one incident were a woman was successful that after 4 months employment lost her job and was awarded well over a years salary.


  • #260
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    mbiking123 wrote: »
    Ya, Pro-treaty governement made alot of mistakes and that one of them - Kings birthday ! In any case privileged days are gone now

    Also as a person living in Galway, many private sector workers get time off to go to races. If you live in galway you would understand the hype that there is around that week.

    The time off to cash cheques is also gone, and new entrants over the past number of years did not have that entitlement

    About time too, but some still remain and need to be wiped out

    What do you make of the FAS employees wanting pay rises because the name over the door was changing? Jan 24, 2012

    SIPTU argued that the FAS staff were on lower pay but would be "liable" to do the same job as a higher civil service grade worker.

    Their pay starts at €57,964, rising to up to €74,311. But the assistant principal pay scale rises in increments to €76,768 for those hired before 1995, and up to €80,678 for those hired after that year.


  • #261
    LilyCricket
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 232 ✭✭LilyCricket


    Monife wrote: »
    How dare you make a sweeping generalisation that civil servants are paperclip tray fillers? Have you worked a day in their shoes? Yes there may be some lazy workers (as there are in all companies) who do the most mundane, repetitive jobs that your dog could probably do, but there are also a lot of people who work damn hard and get little thanks for it. I would bet my annual wage (and I am temporary) that you would not be able to do the job I do, without extensive training, and even that is pushing it!


    end of argument


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  • #262
    user098
    Closed Accounts Posts: 83 ✭✭user098


    micropig wrote: »
    Privilege days originated from the British-run civil service before 1922 to allow civil servants to take two days off on the King’s Birthday and also on Empire Day. These days survived the move to independence and were subsequently taken as leave days at Christmas and Easter

    lol, nearly all the public holidays the private sector currently enjoy were also originally set by the British, so perhaps you should do the decent thing, practice what you preach and give yours up. ;)


  • #263
    Monife
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,014 ✭✭✭Monife


    LilyCricket wrote: »
    end of argument

    Can you speak like an adult and explain your sentence please?


  • #264
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    Monife wrote: »
    How dare you make a sweeping generalisation that civil servants are paperclip tray fillers? Have you worked a day in their shoes? Yes there may be some lazy workers (as there are in all companies) who do the most mundane, repetitive jobs that your dog could probably do, but there are also a lot of people who work damn hard and get little thanks for it. I would bet my annual wage (and I am temporary) that you would not be able to do the job I do, without extensive training, and even that is pushing it!

    I think you need to look up what 'sweeping generalisations' mean and re-read that section of the thread,,
    Why do you jump to the conclusion that all civil serants are paper cliptray fillers, do you know more than you're letting on?;);)


  • #265
    mbiking123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭mbiking123


    About time too, but some still remain and need to be wiped out

    What do you make of the FAS employees wanting pay rises because the name over the door was changing? Jan 24, 2012

    SIPTU argued that the FAS staff were on lower pay but would be "liable" to do the same job as a higher civil service grade worker.

    Their pay starts at €57,964, rising to up to €74,311. But the assistant principal pay scale rises in increments to €76,768 for those hired before 1995, and up to €80,678 for those hired after that year.

    Ya FAS are a law into themselves but a semi-state agency so therefore should be in a semi-state bashing thread


  • #266
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    user098 wrote: »
    lol, nearly all the public holidays the private sector currently enjoy were also originally set by the British, so perhaps you should do the decent thing, practice what you preach and give yours up. ;)

    I'd be more than willing to give up obscure privilege days for regattas that no longer exist;)


  • #267
    user098
    Closed Accounts Posts: 83 ✭✭user098


    micropig wrote: »
    I think I need to look up what 'sweeping generalisations' mean and re-read that section of the thread,,
    Why do I jump to the conclusion that all civil serants are paper cliptray fillers ?;);)

    fyp ;););)


  • #268
    golden lane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭golden lane


    mbiking123 wrote: »
    private sector workers do have security, know of one incident were a woman was successful that after 4 months employment lost her job and was awarded well over a years salary.

    that is not security.......whatever the case may be regarding that woman....

    why are all the private sector construction workers..now unemployed...along with lots of others.....their unemployment may be secure....


  • #269
    LilyCricket
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 232 ✭✭LilyCricket


    Monife wrote: »
    Can you speak like an adult and explain your sentence please?

    I would,

    But I'm only temporary :)


  • #270
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    user098 wrote: »
    fyp ;););)

    Do they all receive an across the board allowance for this task or is it a task only entrusted to higher grades? Is danger money included in case you prick your finger?:pac:


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  • #271
    Monife
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,014 ✭✭✭Monife


    micropig wrote: »
    I think you need to look up what 'sweeping generalisations' mean and re-read that section of the thread,,
    Why do you jump to the conclusion that all civil serants are paper cliptray fillers, do you know more than you're letting on?;);)

    I know what sweeping generalisation means and you know well and good you have been using them left, right and centre in this thread. I am not jumping to any conclusion, didn't you say earlier on, that civil service office workers were "overpaid pen pushers"...


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