We haven't had a good Public Sector bashing thread in ages

LilyCricket wrote: »

I don't! To a private sector person, its 4 days this year, almost a week!!!

count yourself very lucky

Actually its the norm in the places I've worked, so instead of inferring all ordinary workers, public or private, should have your shyte conditions, you should get yourself a better job.

micropig wrote: »

The country seems to tick along the same whether they're there or not;)

but I've yet to see the same perk in the private sector

the private sector has to compete for a living.....the public sector sits back and enjoys it...

Monife wrote: »

The working day for workers in the Civil/Public service who have flexi time (not all do) is 6 hours and 57 minutes. You need to work up an extra 6 hours and 57 minutes if you want a day off the following month. You can work up a maximum of 11 hours and 30 minutes, so that would get you 1 and a half days off plus an extra hour to add to your clock for the following month.

But the poster was claiming you get 7 hours off for working up 2 hours

hondasam

micropig wrote: »

The country seems to tick along the same whether they're there or not;)

but I've yet to see the same perk in the private sector

If you could take this time unpaid would you take it?

user098 wrote: »

You should be happy so many in your famaily are employed by the PS then.
They probably enjoy winding you up because of your envy, begrudgery and complaints about them. I don't blame them.

Do you know what? I really don't. I'm happy they do well for themselves in this regard. They speak every day about the people they work with, and it ain't pretty to be honest.

golden lane wrote: »

the private sector has to compete for a living.....

So why does that not apply to private sector bankers, scama, developers, etc. ?

Why are most private sector goods and services better and cheaper in NI ?

the private sector has to compete for a living.....the public sector sits back and enjoys it...

Some areas of public sector must compete otherwise their jobs/position will be privatised

user098 wrote: »

But the poster was claiming you get 7 hours off for working up 2 hours

No, that is incorrect. What company, public or not, would in there right mind give you free time off for absolutely no reason? You have to work up the time you want to take off, up to a maximum of 11 hours and 30 minutes.

In January 2011, the outgoing government drafted a revised action plan for the implementation of the Croke Park Agreement. As a part of this action plan, the issue of privilege days has really come to the fore. Privilege days originated from the British-run civil service before 1922 to allow civil servants to take two days off on the King’s Birthday and also on Empire Day. These days survived the move to independence and were subsequently taken as leave days at Christmas and Easter

Aside from Empire day and the King’s birthday, privilege days of a ridiculous nature have recently come to light. In Kildare, civil servant workers were afforded a day off to attend a horse racing festival in Punchestown. Similarly, Galway public servants received days off to attend the Galway races. This trend seems to have pervaded the majority of counties with Waterford and Kerry, for example, allowing days off to attend local festivals. However, the privileged day entitlement that takes the biscuit was the day off afforded by Leitrim County Council for its servants to attend a regatta on the Shannon which has long since been discontinued. Even though the regatta was no longer in operation, the representative unions still secured a victory when the Council sought to remove this day as the union successfully negotiated compensation for the affected employees. This must be viewed in the context of a system which continues to allow Clerical officers a half an hour a week off and higher grades a half an hour a fortnight to cash pay cheques, even though most of them are paid by means of electronic transfer.

Seems like ye were a bit looser with the privilege days than ye make out;);) Gravy train has stopped:p

LilyCricket wrote: »

Do you know what? I really don't. I'm happy they do well for themselves in this regard. They speak every day about the people they work with, and it ain't pretty to be honest.

So why would you spread shyte about them only working up 2 hours to get a full day off ?

hondasam

user098 wrote: »

But the poster was claiming you get 7 hours off for working up 2 hours

The poster actually claimed they got 8 hrs for working half hour which meant they would get 32 hrs for working 2 hrs.

mbiking123 wrote: »

Some areas of public sector must compete otherwise their jobs/position will be privatised

and a very good idea that would be........it is digusting that people who have to work long hours with no security....are made to pay for the public sector........and even more so that they think that you are entitled to that...

golden lane wrote: »

and a very good idea that would be........it is digusting that people who have to work long hours with no security....are made to pay for the 200 billlion being given to private speculators, bondholders, bankers, scama and developers........and even more so that they think they are entitled to that...

fyp

In January 2011, the outgoing government drafted a revised action plan for the implementation of the Croke Park Agreement. As a part of this action plan, the issue of privilege days has really come to the fore. Privilege days originated from the British-run civil service before 1922 to allow civil servants to take two days off on the King’s Birthday and also on Empire Day. These days survived the move to independence and were subsequently taken as leave days at Christmas and Easter

Aside from Empire day and the King’s birthday, privilege days of a ridiculous nature have recently come to light. In Kildare, civil servant workers were afforded a day off to attend a horse racing festival in Punchestown. Similarly, Galway public servants received days off to attend the Galway races. This trend seems to have pervaded the majority of counties with Waterford and Kerry, for example, allowing days off to attend local festivals. However, the privileged day entitlement that takes the biscuit was the day off afforded by Leitrim County Council for its servants to attend a regatta on the Shannon which has long since been discontinued. Even though the regatta was no longer in operation, the representative unions still secured a victory when the Council sought to remove this day as the union successfully negotiated compensation for the affected employees. This must be viewed in the context of a system which continues to allow Clerical officers a half an hour a week off and higher grades a half an hour a fortnight to cash pay cheques, even though most of them are paid by means of electronic transfer.

Ya, Pro-treaty governement made alot of mistakes and that one of them - Kings birthday ! In any case privileged days are gone now

Also as a person living in Galway, many private sector workers get time off to go to races. If you live in galway you would understand the hype that there is around that week.

The time off to cash cheques is also gone, and new entrants over the past number of years did not have that entitlement

mbiking123 wrote: »

Ya, Pro-treaty governement made alot of mistakes and that one of them - Kings birthday ! In any case privileged days are gone now

Also as a person living in Galway, many private sector workers get time off to go to races. If you live in galway you would understand the hype that there is around that week.

The time off to cash cheques is also gone, and new entrants over the past number of years did not have that entitlement

God love them

user098 wrote: »

So why does that not apply to private sector bankers, scama, developers, etc. ?

Why are most private sector goods and services better and cheaper in NI ?

first......banks etc have to compete in the market.....in the uk and i presume northern ireland..

second....why are they dearer in the republic.......?

micropig wrote: »

Sorry to offend any paperclip tray fillers, It is an important role and valuable to the country:p

How dare you make a sweeping generalisation that civil servants are paperclip tray fillers? Have you worked a day in their shoes? Yes there may be some lazy workers (as there are in all companies) who do the most mundane, repetitive jobs that your dog could probably do, but there are also a lot of people who work damn hard and get little thanks for it. I would bet my annual wage (and I am temporary) that you would not be able to do the job I do, without extensive training, and even that is pushing it!

and a very good idea that would be........it is digusting that people who have to work long hours with no security....are made to pay for the public sector........and even more so that they think that you are entitled to that...

private sector workers do have security, know of one incident were a woman was successful that after 4 months employment lost her job and was awarded well over a years salary.

mbiking123 wrote: »

Ya, Pro-treaty governement made alot of mistakes and that one of them - Kings birthday ! In any case privileged days are gone now

Also as a person living in Galway, many private sector workers get time off to go to races. If you live in galway you would understand the hype that there is around that week.

The time off to cash cheques is also gone, and new entrants over the past number of years did not have that entitlement

About time too, but some still remain and need to be wiped out

What do you make of the FAS employees wanting pay rises because the name over the door was changing? Jan 24, 2012

SIPTU argued that the FAS staff were on lower pay but would be "liable" to do the same job as a higher civil service grade worker.

Their pay starts at €57,964, rising to up to €74,311. But the assistant principal pay scale rises in increments to €76,768 for those hired before 1995, and up to €80,678 for those hired after that year.

Monife wrote: »

How dare you make a sweeping generalisation that civil servants are paperclip tray fillers? Have you worked a day in their shoes? Yes there may be some lazy workers (as there are in all companies) who do the most mundane, repetitive jobs that your dog could probably do, but there are also a lot of people who work damn hard and get little thanks for it. I would bet my annual wage (and I am temporary) that you would not be able to do the job I do, without extensive training, and even that is pushing it!

end of argument

micropig wrote: »

Privilege days originated from the British-run civil service before 1922 to allow civil servants to take two days off on the King’s Birthday and also on Empire Day. These days survived the move to independence and were subsequently taken as leave days at Christmas and Easter

lol, nearly all the public holidays the private sector currently enjoy were also originally set by the British, so perhaps you should do the decent thing, practice what you preach and give yours up.

LilyCricket wrote: »

end of argument

Can you speak like an adult and explain your sentence please?

Monife wrote: »

How dare you make a sweeping generalisation that civil servants are paperclip tray fillers? Have you worked a day in their shoes? Yes there may be some lazy workers (as there are in all companies) who do the most mundane, repetitive jobs that your dog could probably do, but there are also a lot of people who work damn hard and get little thanks for it. I would bet my annual wage (and I am temporary) that you would not be able to do the job I do, without extensive training, and even that is pushing it!

I think you need to look up what 'sweeping generalisations' mean and re-read that section of the thread,,
Why do you jump to the conclusion that all civil serants are paper cliptray fillers, do you know more than you're letting on?;);)

About time too, but some still remain and need to be wiped out

What do you make of the FAS employees wanting pay rises because the name over the door was changing? Jan 24, 2012

SIPTU argued that the FAS staff were on lower pay but would be "liable" to do the same job as a higher civil service grade worker.

Their pay starts at €57,964, rising to up to €74,311. But the assistant principal pay scale rises in increments to €76,768 for those hired before 1995, and up to €80,678 for those hired after that year.

Ya FAS are a law into themselves but a semi-state agency so therefore should be in a semi-state bashing thread

user098 wrote: »

lol, nearly all the public holidays the private sector currently enjoy were also originally set by the British, so perhaps you should do the decent thing, practice what you preach and give yours up.

I'd be more than willing to give up obscure privilege days for regattas that no longer exist;)

micropig wrote: »

I think I need to look up what 'sweeping generalisations' mean and re-read that section of the thread,,
Why do I jump to the conclusion that all civil serants are paper cliptray fillers ?;);)

fyp

;);)

mbiking123 wrote: »

private sector workers do have security, know of one incident were a woman was successful that after 4 months employment lost her job and was awarded well over a years salary.

that is not security.......whatever the case may be regarding that woman....

why are all the private sector construction workers..now unemployed...along with lots of others.....their unemployment may be secure....

Monife wrote: »

Can you speak like an adult and explain your sentence please?

I would,

But I'm only temporary

user098 wrote: »

fyp ;);)

Do they all receive an across the board allowance for this task or is it a task only entrusted to higher grades? Is danger money included in case you prick your finger?:pac: