Yes Kenny Dalglish and Liverpool are done. MOD POST #425 ALL READ

ootbitb · 12-04-2012 03:06PM

big Pat manager at Liverpool...biggest lol ever

SlickRic · 12-04-2012 03:09PM

alproctor wrote: »

Well we'll just have to agree to disagree so -

I think it's fair to say Liverpool are going backwards, considering they've gone from 2nd in the league to mid table mediocrity in 3 years, and competing in Champions League finals to accepting League Cup wins as a successful season in 5 years.

so they have gone backwards, and have now stayed still and/or made baby steps forward.

of course if you compare us to Rafa's era, we'll have gone backwards since then.

LuckyLloyd · 12-04-2012 03:23PM

alproctor wrote: »

Well we'll just have to agree to disagree so -

I think it's fair to say Liverpool are going backwards, considering they've gone from 2nd in the league to mid table mediocrity in 3 years, and competing in Champions League finals to accepting League Cup wins as a successful season in 5 years.

Yes, in the 18 months from May 2009 to November 2011 we went backwards, no question. Since November 2011 we are in the same place though imo. We certainly haven't got any worse since that point.

StephenHendry · 12-04-2012 03:35PM

what are the chances of rafa being the manager again in the summer? if things don't end well the henry and kenny to sit down during the summer with kenny agreeing to move upstairs.

Jesus Wept · 12-04-2012 05:43PM

Redzer7 wrote: »

A lot of talk linking Pat Dolan as the next Liverpool manager.

imo

Jayob10 · 12-04-2012 05:58PM

Andy Carroll wrote: »

imo

he is even making the "5 times" salute there

monkey9 · 12-04-2012 08:49PM

Redzer7 wrote: »

A lot of talk linking Pat Dolan as the next Liverpool manager.

Have you been hanging out with the junkies and drunkards on Marlborough St or something??

Redzer7 · 12-04-2012 09:13PM

Sit back and watch it unfold lads!

MonkeyTennis · 12-04-2012 09:15PM

Doris in the canteen is s**tting herself

monkey9 · 13-04-2012 12:24AM

This is the second thread yet on the same subject!! Following the third thread on the Liverpool season thread in general!! Interesting!!!

You have to almost respect the Obsessives!!!!

Will I Amnt · 13-04-2012 12:47AM

monkey9 wrote: »

But you're stopping another myth before it starts!!!!!! How are the Liverpool obsessed fans of other clubs meant to debate amongst themselves stuff that never happened if you're going to go ahead and produce evidence that they are talking bullsh!t

monkey9 wrote: »

If the Liverpool obsessed fans of other clubs want so much to hear what Kenny has to say about the officals, send him a tweet.

monkey9 wrote: »

This is the second thread yet on the same subject!! Following the third thread on the Liverpool season thread in general!! Interesting!!!

You have to almost respect the Obsessives!!!!

monkey9 wrote: »

The amount of shite posted in this and other threads by Liverpool obsessed fans of other clubs is something to behold.

Who's obsessed with what now????

RasTa · 13-04-2012 01:14AM

That photo has some serious history on this forum. I wonder if the posters are still around

Morricone · 13-04-2012 01:44AM

What's the story with the photo and the forum?

Samich · 13-04-2012 02:01AM

That is an amazing pic

monkey9 · 13-04-2012 08:22AM

cambo2008 wrote: »

Who's obsessed with what now????

I am and i'm obsessed with Liverpool FC and all things concerning it!

plasmaguy · 13-04-2012 10:12AM

Again the choice facing Liverpool, is stick with the current manager and current players, or embark on a massive rebuilding which involves getting rid of the manager, selling a lot of players and hoping to get some return on them and then spend another 100 million bringing in world class players.

On paper some of Dalglish's signings looked sound. Suarez, Enrique, Adam etc.

Most world class players these days cost 40-50 million.

For that money you probably get a few players like Villa from Barca, and maybe Soldado from valencia.

A Villa or Soldado strikeforce alongside Suarez would be damn good.

I don't think Liverpool could give away Andy Carrol at this stage for nothing.

mufcboy1999 · 13-04-2012 10:27AM

Let's be realistic here lads , you havnt a hope in signing villa or soldado. No world class player is going to sign with Ye unless he comes from a relatively small club seeking to use ye as a stepping stone.

Most importantly do you think any world class players would sign for Ye if your not in europe?

Saurez clearly isn't world class, terrible finisher and he's a striker who are clearly judged by the goals they score. Carroll in all honestly has to be the biggest flop in the history of the premiership.

First it was the owners then rafa, hodgeson and now daglish??? Get real lads Ye are just a cat team and have been for 20 years.

Will I Amnt · 13-04-2012 10:35AM

^^^^^^^

niallo27 · 13-04-2012 10:52AM

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Let's be realistic here lads , you havnt a hope in signing villa or soldado. No world class player is going to sign with Ye unless he comes from a relatively small club seeking to use ye as a stepping stone.

Most importantly do you think any world class players would sign for Ye if your not in europe?

Saurez clearly isn't world class, terrible finisher and he's a striker who are clearly judged by the goals they score. Carroll in all honestly has to be the biggest flop in the history of the premiership.

First it was the owners then rafa, hodgeson and now daglish??? Get real lads Ye are just a cat team and have been for 20 years.

How many times can you say Ye in a post.

LuckyLloyd · 13-04-2012 11:01AM

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Get real lads Ye are just a cat team and have been for 20 years.

1992 FA Cup
1995 League Cup
2001 UEFA Cup, FA Cup, League Cup
2003 League Cup
2005 Champions League
2006 FA Cup
2012 League Cup

1992 6th
1993 6th
1994 8th
1995 3rd
1996 3rd
1997 4th
1998 3rd
1999 7th
2000 4th
2001 3rd
2002 2nd
2003 5th
2004 4th
2005 5th
2006 3rd
2007 3rd
2008 4th
2009 2nd
2010 7th
2011 6th

Looks competitive to me. "Cat" doesn't mean what you think it means.

This thread is very AIDSy.

missingtime · 13-04-2012 11:06AM

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Let's be realistic here lads , you havnt a hope in signing villa or soldado. No world class player is going to sign with Ye unless he comes from a relatively small club seeking to use ye as a stepping stone.

Most importantly do you think any world class players would sign for Ye if your not in europe?

Saurez clearly isn't world class, terrible finisher and he's a striker who are clearly judged by the goals they score. Carroll in all honestly has to be the biggest flop in the history of the premiership.

First it was the owners then rafa, hodgeson and now daglish??? Get real lads Ye are just a cat team and have been for 20 years.

And proud of it.

kryogen · 13-04-2012 11:19AM

It sort of puzzles me why the obvious WUM's are responded to so much here!

It is amusing enough nonetheless though

Oranage2 · 13-04-2012 11:26AM

Of course Dalglish is done.

John Henry wants to adapt a 'Moneyball'(buying cheap players with decent stats) type experiment and Dalglish like to buy the best players around for premium prices. Damien Comolli used a stats/scouting policy, so we had 3 people using 3 different methods.

And honestly, John Henry, Damien Comolli and Kenny Dalglish one season experiment has ruined Liverpool till at least 2020 - I'd be surprised if they get into the top 5 in the next 8 seasons.

Liverpool wont win anything under Henry, 'Moneyball' doesnt work in football and he should really just stick to baseball!

G.K. · 13-04-2012 11:32AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Of course Dalglish is done.

John Henry wants to adapt a 'Moneyball'(buying cheap players with decent stats) type experiment and Dalglish like to buy the best players around for premium prices. Damien Comolli used a stats/scouting policy, so we had 3 people using 3 different methods.

And honestly, John Henry, Damien Comolli and Kenny Dalglish one season experiment has ruined Liverpool till at least 2020 - I'd be surprised if they get into the top 5 in the next 8 seasons.

Liverpool wont win anything under Henry, 'Moneyball' doesnt work in football and he should really just stick to baseball!

Disagree - you just have to find the right stats and then look for players, but don't only use stats in isolation. Other factors must be considered.

Cantona's Collars · 13-04-2012 11:33AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Of course Dalglish is done.

John Henry wants to adapt a 'Moneyball'(buying cheap players with decent stats) type experiment and Dalglish like to buy the best players around for premium prices. Damien Comolli used a stats/scouting policy, so we had 3 people using 3 different methods.

And honestly, John Henry, Damien Comolli and Kenny Dalglish one season experiment has ruined Liverpool till at least 2020 - I'd be surprised if they get into the top 5 in the next 8 seasons.

Liverpool wont win anything under Henry, 'Moneyball' doesnt work in football and he should really just stick to baseball!

Moneyball doesn't work when you buy overpriced,mediocre English players.Done right and bargains can be had,unfortunately Liverpool made a balls of it and wasted an awful lot of money on dross.
Even Suarez,one of their best players has a very poor scoring record and for his talent & sizeable fee should be hitting the back of the net more regularly rather than just winning lots of corners.

Dalglish will be given another season or if results dictate he could be gone by Christmas,can't see him going anywhere this Summer.

MonkeyTennis · 13-04-2012 11:35AM

I dont know where to start with that. The mind boggles

kryogen · 13-04-2012 11:37AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Of course Dalglish is done.

John Henry wants to adapt a 'Moneyball'(buying cheap players with decent stats) type experiment and Dalglish like to buy the best players around for premium prices. Damien Comolli used a stats/scouting policy, so we had 3 people using 3 different methods.

And honestly, John Henry, Damien Comolli and Kenny Dalglish one season experiment has ruined Liverpool till at least 2020 - I'd be surprised if they get into the top 5 in the next 8 seasons.

Liverpool wont win anything under Henry, 'Moneyball' doesnt work in football and he should really just stick to baseball!

Not seeing the difference in your parameters for Comolli and Henry, also, since when does Dalglish buy the best around for premium prices?

Certainly didnt happen in his last managerial position anyway.

He has said all the signings were his targets anyway

KeithAFC · 13-04-2012 11:41AM

G.K. wrote: »

Disagree - you just have to find the right stats and then look for players, but don't only use stats in isolation. Other factors must be considered.

Football doesn't work like that.

You have so many contributing factors in football. Potential ability in young players (although you never know all the time how it might turn out), fitness of a player, mentality, confidence issues, tactics and basic coaching.

The logic of signing some one with good crossing stats is a bit flawed because you could easily be ignoring the lack of pace of said player, the mentality of that player, he might be weak at beating players and so on. Stats can lie.

StephenHendry · 13-04-2012 11:49AM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Football doesn't work like that.

You have so many contributing factors in football. Potential ability in young players (although you never know all the time how it might turn out), fitness of a player, mentality, confidence issues, tactics and basic coaching.

The logic of signing some one with good crossing stats is a bit flawed because you could easily be ignoring the lack of pace of said player, the mentality of that player, he might be weak at beating players and so on. Stats can lie.

exactly, take city as an example, buying the best available wont win you the big trophies. a winning football isn't like a jigsaw puzzle

mufcboy1999 · 13-04-2012 11:50AM

I'd give the champions league victory to You in 05 but don't be bragging about that Micky mouse treble and carling cups lol.

Try winning the league and come back to me until then ye will always a mediocre team who happen to over achieve every so often.

Yes Kenny Dalglish and Liverpool are done. MOD POST #425 *ALL READ*

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Yes Kenny Dalglish and Liverpool are done. MOD POST #425 ALL READ