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Yes Kenny Dalglish and Liverpool are done. MOD POST #425 *ALL READ*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    Leiva wrote: »
    Do you have a link or not ?

    Or are you just stating that the transfer kitty will be limited like every other club ?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9161533/Liverpool-count-the-cost-of-failing-to-make-Premier-League-top-four-and-missing-Champions-League-bonanza.html

    With the money Dalglish has wasted,I wouldn't trust him with buying groceries let alone handling another transfer fund.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 212 ✭✭Flancrest


    zerks wrote: »
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9161533/Liverpool-count-the-cost-of-failing-to-make-Premier-League-top-four-and-missing-Champions-League-bonanza.html

    With the money Dalglish has wasted,I wouldn't trust him with buying groceries let alone handling another transfer fund.
    Based on what? Kenny hasn't really made any bad transfers IMO.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Leiva


    can somebody answer me this...

    Are the Pool owners currently seeing a return on their investment? Are they making money from the club (which is why they bought the club in the first place?) ?

    If so, they could well be happy with 7th place finishes and a cup win here and there (despite what they say publicly)

    because, if they pump in more money in an attempt to get pool into the CL places, would the risk be worth the sort of investment needed? they could pump £100m and Pool may still not get close enough to the CL places, thats very possible especially with the current competition of manc clubs, chelsea, spurs and arsenal.

    and even if they got into the cl places for one season, theres no guarantee that they'd stay there considering that competition around. so would it be worth the gamble from their point of view?

    Why would they bother taking that huge risk if they're making a decent amount of money the way things stand?

    It's hard to say but in the past 18months the new owners and Ian Ayre have secured commercial investments over the next 5 years of over £360million.

    So the funds are there .

    Liverpool in comparison to other clubs have some very good untapped revenue streams .
    A new stadium or revamped Anfield is top of that list and should bring us in line with the match day incomes of UTD , Arsenal etc who today clear over £2million more per game than Liverpool.

    The current owners track record points to a dynamic company that likes to be top of their game , and asset stripping has never shown up in any of their previous investments / ventures.

    Only time will tell but I feel we have winners at the helm .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Unbelievable posters in here.

    Sort of reminds of how a Garda once told me that they like it if a town has one rough pub so they know where all the trouble is and leaves the rest of the good folk to enjoy the rest of the nice places where they'd all be barred from!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Des wrote: »
    Longest "transition" in history tbh.

    Your clubs transition was longer in the 70's and 80's.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,259 ✭✭✭✭Melion


    Flancrest wrote: »
    Based on what? Kenny hasn't really made any bad transfers IMO.

    Im sorry but double you tee eff?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,048 ✭✭✭sReq | uTeK


    Melion wrote: »
    Im sorry but double you tee eff?

    hes trolling


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Leiva


    zerks wrote: »
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9161533/Liverpool-count-the-cost-of-failing-to-make-Premier-League-top-four-and-missing-Champions-League-bonanza.html

    With the money Dalglish has wasted,I wouldn't trust him with buying groceries let alone handling another transfer fund.

    Thanks for that link which is primarily a journalist talking about the problems Liverpool will have attracting players due to failure of securing CL football.

    Again can you please link me to this;
    zerks:

    as FSG have stated publically that funds for transfers will be limited this Summer

    I won't ask again if you can't no problem .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 212 ✭✭Flancrest


    Melion wrote: »
    Im sorry but double you tee eff?
    What bad signings has he made? Everyone he's bought has made a solid contribution to the team at some stage of the season


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    can somebody answer me this...

    Are the Pool owners currently seeing a return on their investment? Are they making money from the club (which is why they bought the club in the first place?) ?

    If so, they could well be happy with 7th place finishes and a cup win here and there (despite what they say publicly)

    because, if they pump in more money in an attempt to get pool into the CL places, would the risk be worth the sort of investment needed? they could pump £100m and Pool may still not get close enough to the CL places, thats very possible especially with the current competition of manc clubs, chelsea, spurs and arsenal.

    and even if they got into the cl places for one season, theres no guarantee that they'd stay there considering that competition around. so would it be worth the gamble from their point of view?

    Why would they bother taking that huge risk if they're making a decent amount of money the way things stand?

    Leiva posted a lot of the stuff I would have said.

    Tbh, until the accounts are out we wont know the exact picture but I think £30/40 Million IIRC was going on bank debt and more on financial costs.

    There was a huge job in cutting of deadwood from the end of the Rafa era and basically all Hodgsons signings, bar Meireles. Club had to pay a fair few million just to end contracts early, Dossena and Poulsen I think and probably a couple of others, Jovanovic maybe. Him and Cole were on over 200k a week with the "free" transfer deals. The club is still paying most of Aquilani and Coles's wages!

    Can't remember the figures but there was easily 500k a week wages that were an absolute waste. Henry pointed at it after he took, didn't realise how bad it was.

    The club should be able to afford another couple of additions with Cole and Aquillani gone, looking at 200k a week there. The worry obviously is that some of the signings will be deadwood next year and rinse and repeat.

    I said it on the superthread, considering the money spent, we still have to strengthen in CM, RW and a goal scoring striker with most of the signings from the Summer being squad players, even LW isn't ideal. It puts big pressure on Comolli and Kenny to buy quality this Summer.

    As for finances, they are getting more money out of the club and obviously CL is the target as its the shortest way of getting more money from the actual on the pitch side! We are lucky in that we still are a "big" club sponsorship wise so losing out on the CL hasn't been that big a financial breaker, but obviously that can't go on forever!

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,991 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    Flancrest wrote: »
    What bad signings has he made? Everyone he's bought has made a solid contribution to the team at some stage of the season

    :rolleyes:

    Obvious is obvious


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,627 ✭✭✭Sgt Pepper 64


    Leiva wrote: »
    Thanks for that link which is primarily a journalist talking about the problems Liverpool will have attracting players due to failure of securing CL football.

    Again can you please link me to this;


    I won't ask again if you can't no problem .

    I cant find it either, just journo speculation like this

    http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2012/04/red-sox-collapse-why-dalglish-could-be.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,060 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Seriously - the Northampton defeat is one of the worst defeats in the club's history. I'm really not exagerrating here.

    I would hold Liverpools current league form waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse than that result lets be fair.
    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Has Ferguson ever lost a cup game at home to a League Two (or fourth division) opponent?

    Ok they lost on penalties, so it was a draw after 90mins and 120mins if you want to get technical about it.

    United drew to a Conference side, at home, in the FA Cup link


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,259 ✭✭✭✭Melion


    Flancrest wrote: »
    What bad signings has he made? Everyone he's bought has made a solid contribution to the team at some stage of the season

    Wow thats just blatant


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,244 ✭✭✭Sappy404


    Trilla wrote: »
    I would hold Liverpools current league form waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse than that result lets be fair.

    Shocker.

    And what about Hodgson's Liverpool's subsequent league form after the Northampton defeat? After all going out in the first round of the League Cup to a 2nd division side, horrendous as it was, isn't the only reason he was sacked.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    Leiva wrote: »
    Thanks for that link which is primarily a journalist talking about the problems Liverpool will have attracting players due to failure of securing CL football.

    Again can you please link me to this;


    I won't ask again if you can't no problem .

    From The Chester Chronicle & it's been printed elsewhere.
    “Speculation on players shouldn’t include those of a certain age,” he wrote on Twitter.

    “We are not going to be successful by merely filling short-term needs at LFC.”

    This unsurprisingly prompted a flurry of questions about the club’s transfer policy this summer, with Henry responding to comparisons between the progress Liverpool had made compared to that of champions Manchester United who have already signed Phil Jones, Ashley Young and David de Gea for a combined sum in the region of £50m.

    “Everything in sports is overpriced now – especially the cost of winning. But you make your choices based on a plan,” was the American’s response.

    “Some things happen early and some late. The important thing is that things happen. Sometimes what you avoid is important.”

    I won't do any more work for you,just use google like everyone else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,627 ✭✭✭Sgt Pepper 64


    zerks wrote: »
    From The Chester Chronicle & it's been printed elsewhere.


    I won't do any more work for you,just use google like everyone else.


    Thats from June LAST YEAR!

    https://twitter.com/#!/John_W_Henry/status/86113269198237696

    And then he bought Downing!


    (I feel all dirty looking up Liverpool stuff!)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Leiva


    zerks wrote: »
    From The Chester Chronicle & it's been printed elsewhere.


    I won't do any more work for you,just use google like everyone else.


    :confused:

    If its a problem I'm sorry . That article has nothing to do with what i asked you ? so for the 4th time ......

    Can you please link me to this :
    zerks:
    as FSG have stated publically that funds for transfers will be limited this Summer

    I have searched and searched and another poster Sgt Pepper64 (Chelsea fan) has as well , but cant find what you stated :
    Sgt Pepper64
    I cant find it either, just journo speculation like this
    http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2012/04...-could-be.html

    Did you make it up maybe ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,843 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Des wrote: »
    Longest "transition" in history tbh.
    Manchester United were in transition for 26 years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 344 ✭✭veXual


    Flancrest wrote: »
    What bad signings has he made? Everyone he's bought has made a solid contribution to the team at some stage of the season

    VqPrv.gif


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,954 ✭✭✭counterlock


    Leiva wrote: »
    :confused:

    If its a problem I'm sorry . That article has nothing to do with what i asked you ? so for the 4th time ......

    Can you please link me to this :


    I have searched and searched and another poster Sgt Pepper64 (Chelsea fan) has as well , but cant find what you stated :


    Did you make it up maybe ?

    To be honest its common sense to pump the money they get into the stadium rather than into new talent. It badly needs to be improved and its a solid investment in that it will add value to the club - as long as the fan base remains.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,608 ✭✭✭jaykay74


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Manchester United were in transition for 26 years.

    It was a famine not a transition. Don't remember Utd fans at the time refer to some bullsh transition excuse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,843 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Its crazy the way this thread is so popular but nobody was ragging on about Mancini with anywhere close to the same venom when Manchester City went out of the Champion's league in December despite having spent £250 million during his 23 months at the club and having only an FA Cup to show for it.

    And its not like he didn't have a good squad before he went and spent that money with Hart, Kompany, Richards, Lescott, Zaballeta, Barry, De Jong and Tevez already there.

    Yet here we are with Dalglish around `15 months back at Liverpool having spent a lot less money and a trophy in the bag already and he should be gone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    jaykay74 wrote: »
    It was a famine not a transition. Don't remember Utd fans at the time refer to some bullsh transition excuse.

    Different times but taking account for changes in Europe, United didn't have any European success during that time, til the Cup Winners Cup anyway. Even Spurs, Everton and Ipswich were winning European trophies in that time. Barring an odd cup win, they didn't have much success to have a transition. Liverpool had the treble year and CL times during our famine.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,843 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    jaykay74 wrote: »
    It was a famine not a transition. Don't remember Utd fans at the time refer to some bullsh transition excuse.
    Every year they believed they were going to challenge for the league and every year they failed and the manager should be sacked. That happened when Ferguson was in charge too, there were lots that wanted him gone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,954 ✭✭✭counterlock


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Its crazy the way this thread is so popular but nobody was ragging on about Mancini with anywhere close to the same venom when Manchester City went out of the Champion's league in December despite having spent £250 million during his 23 months at the club and having only an FA Cup to show for it.

    Mancini is not held in the stature by city fans as Daglish is by Liverpool fans and I don't think he's disliked half as much as Daglish either.

    If the rumours in the Spanish press are to be believed, he could be out sooner than you think.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,259 ✭✭✭✭Melion


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Its crazy the way this thread is so popular but nobody was ragging on about Mancini with anywhere close to the same venom when Manchester City went out of the Champion's league in December despite having spent £250 million during his 23 months at the club and having only an FA Cup to show for it.

    And its not like he didn't have a good squad before he went and spent that money with Hart, Kompany, Richards, Lescott, Zaballeta, Barry, De Jong and Tevez already there.

    Yet here we are with Dalglish around `15 months back at Liverpool having spent a lot less money and a trophy in the bag already and he should be gone.

    City are 2nd in the table and could quite possibly still win the title. We will be lucky to finish in the top 10


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,991 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Its crazy the way this thread is so popular but nobody was ragging on about Mancini with anywhere close to the same venom when Manchester City went out of the Champion's league in December despite having spent £250 million during his 23 months at the club and having only an FA Cup to show for it.

    And its not like he didn't have a good squad before he went and spent that money with Hart, Kompany, Richards, Lescott, Zaballeta, Barry, De Jong and Tevez already there.

    Yet here we are with Dalglish around `15 months back at Liverpool having spent a lot less money and a trophy in the bag already and he should be gone.

    Hey now don't you be deflecting just cause you're a Dalglish fanboi.

    There's a specific Mancini thread for that sort of thing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    K-9 wrote: »
    Different times but taking account for changes in Europe, United didn't have any European success during that time, til the Cup Winners Cup anyway. Even Spurs, Everton and Ipswich were winning European trophies in that time. Barring an odd cup win, they didn't have much success to have a transition. Liverpool had the treble year and CL times during our famine.
    Different times indeed.You didn't get a sniff of the European cup for finishing 4th back then.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Leiva


    cambo2008 wrote: »
    Different times indeed.You didn't get a sniff of the European cup for finishing 4th back then.


    Very true.

    And you didn't get a goal for ten back passes either ;) . nor did winning the European or league titles mean any less or any easier then, than they do today .

    Catch my drift ? :)


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