Yes Kenny Dalglish and Liverpool are done. MOD POST #425 ALL READ

LuckyLloyd · 04-04-2012 11:54AM

Trilla wrote: »

Didnt he put out a weak team in that carling cup game? Alex Ferguson the greatest manager of our time has been knocked out on several occasions in that competition by playing weakened teams.

Has Ferguson ever lost a cup game at home to a League Two (or fourth division) opponent?

Seriously - the Northampton defeat is one of the worst defeats in the club's history. I'm really not exagerrating here.

Sappy404 · 04-04-2012 11:58AM

Trilla wrote: »

Didnt he put out a weak team in that carling cup game? Alex Ferguson the greatest manager of our time has been knocked out on several occasions in that competition by playing weakened teams.

Would being knocked out of a tournament by League 2 opposition at Old Trafford be deemed acceptable?

Will I Amnt · 04-04-2012 11:59AM

Exeter and Burton Albion came within a whisker of knocking us out of the cup in recent years.

LuckyLloyd · 04-04-2012 12:00PM

cambo2008 wrote: »

Exeter and Burton Albion came within a whisker of knocking us out of the cup in recent years.

But they didn't. Nor did they take you to extra time.

Will I Amnt · 04-04-2012 12:02PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

cambo2008 wrote: »

Exeter and Burton Albion came within a whisker of knocking us out of the cup in recent years.

But they didn't. Nor did they take you to extra time.

Both took us to a replay.My point is its not beyond the realms of possibility to go out to these teams when you play an under-strength side.

Cantona's Collars · 04-04-2012 12:07PM

Leiva wrote: »

If your not you should be embarrassed .

Cause your last two posts are nothing but cringe worthy.

For a club & fans who claim history is the most important thing in the world you seem reluctant to acknowledge parts of your history,I have many Liverpool supporting friends & can remember them gloating back then that they were going to win the league.3 years ago they were saying "Liverpool will fuck this up".

Nice how ye reverted to history to lift the club by bringing back "The King", that's worked out well,nearer to the relegation zone than the top of the league.
Obviously ye judge progress differently than everyone else.

firemansam4 · 04-04-2012 12:08PM

Well as far as I can see Kenny made a massive turn around in form for Liverpool when he took over last year and has now won Liverpool there first silver ware in 6 years as well as getting us close to our 2nd!

Now like i said before he has had a disastrous run in the league of late, but that is not enough to give him the sack now, the least he deserves is the chance to get back on track in the new season, every manager goes through a bad blip and its not like its been a disaster for Kenny ever since he took over.

If it had been any other manager who had taken over I would still say the same thing. And if next season turns out to be a disaster under Kenny and we don't seem to be progressing then maybe then questions might have to be asked.

Wolf Club · 04-04-2012 12:09PM

zerks wrote: »

No winding up or trolling intended,it's just that I was watching the show & Liverpool were challenging for the title and everything seemed rosy.3 years ago was just an anomoly,I think even the most die hard fan will admit that it was a false dawn.A league title challenge is even further away than ever now.

To be fair, had Liverpool not sold Alonso and Mascherano, there's every chance they could've been challenging for the title after that.

K-9 · 04-04-2012 12:11PM

zerks wrote: »

For a club & fans who claim history is the most important thing in the world you seem reluctant to acknowledge parts of your history,I have many Liverpool supporting friends & can remember them gloating back then that they were going to win the league.3 years ago they were saying "Liverpool will fuck this up".

They thought the Spice Boys would win the league?

Wisened up then.

Cantona's Collars · 04-04-2012 12:13PM

K-9 wrote: »

They thought the Spice Boys would win the league?

Wisened up then.

I refused up to now to use the words Liverpool & deluded in the same sentence but you all but did it for me.

K-9 · 04-04-2012 12:22PM

zerks wrote: »

I refused up to now to use the words Liverpool & deluded in the same sentence but you all but did it for me.

As Ted would say, "these (08/09) are up close, those (96/97) are far, far away".

SlickRic · 04-04-2012 12:24PM

zerks wrote: »

For a club & fans who claim history is the most important thing in the world you seem reluctant to acknowledge parts of your history, I have many Liverpool supporting friends & can remember them gloating back then that they were going to win the league.3 years ago they were saying "Liverpool will fuck this up".

Nice how ye reverted to history to lift the club by bringing back "The King", that's worked out well, nearer to the relegation zone than the top of the league.
Obviously ye judge progress differently than everyone else.

1. just because your mates thought we would fúck up, doesn't mean we weren't challenging. many of City's fans thought they'd fúck up this year. does that mean they're not challenging. also we didn't fúck, Utd were just awesome in that run-in, and we couldn't quite keep pace.

2. we judge progress the same as everyone else...a combination of league position and trophies. some will put more emphasis on trophies, some the league, and some a happy medium. same as your club; but you see, all you've known for 20 years is success after success after success. it's what always baffles me about many Utd fans in particular. the majority have absolutely no clue what it's like to be a genuine club in transition, trying to get the fit right. no clue. none. and yet we get lectured. now don't get me wrong, many make decent points at times. but it irks me a bit when i get lectured about a Utd fan about what we should do with a struggling manager. the majority don't have a clue how it feels.

we'll take positives from this season, whether you agree with it or not. the Carling Cup win was important. the FA Cup is still possible, and would be a great achievement. now i personally believe the league form has been absolutely abysmal, and FSG will have to take a hard look at whether Kenny is the right man. some would deem it progress, especially if we won both cups. meh. i'd not necessarily agree, but who am i to shít on a fellow supporter.

and also, whether you want to acknowledge it or not, the vast majority of Liverpool fans are fully aware of where the club stands. we are not a force at the top tier of the League. we're not fúcking morons. but we aren't perennial midtable mediocrity either yet.

decisions in the summer, both in the management end of things and the transfer dealings, could well dictate where we are in the next few years.

_blank_ · 04-04-2012 12:26PM

SlickRic wrote: »

the majority have absolutely no clue what it's like to be a genuine club in transition, trying to get the fit right. no clue. none.

Longest "transition" in history tbh.

SlickRic · 04-04-2012 12:26PM

zerks wrote: »

I refused up to now to use the words Liverpool & deluded in the same sentence but you all but did it for me.

whose deluded?

seriously?

back up shít like that rather than just making a clichéd, blasé statement that haters of the club have tried to turn into a tagline in recent weeks and months.

it's pathetic, and really fúcking boring too.

Crash Bang Wall · 04-04-2012 12:28PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Has Ferguson ever lost a cup game at home to a League Two (or fourth division) opponent?

Seriously - the Northampton defeat is one of the worst defeats in the club's history. I'm really not exagerrating here.

Did York City not knock them out of the League Cup in the last 10 years? Not sure what Division, but L1 OR L2 I would imagine

ShamoBuc · 04-04-2012 12:30PM

Des wrote: »

Longest "transition" in history tbh.

I'm sure fans of alot of clubs would disagree with you.

SlickRic · 04-04-2012 12:30PM

Des wrote: »

Longest "transition" in history tbh.

the club was in a fúcking jock behind the scenes for 2 years, so yes the last 2 years have been damn long.

lots of terrible decisions have delayed getting things moving forward again.

Will I Amnt · 04-04-2012 12:43PM

SlickRic wrote: »

it's what always baffles me about many Utd fans in particular. the majority have absolutely no clue what it's like to be a genuine club in transition, trying to get the fit right. no clue. none. and yet we get lectured.

I have forgotten what it's like to be honest but that doesn't mean I can't have an opinion based on what happens at the majority of other big clubs.

It's different today in that you can't afford to be out of the champions league for too long.The teams that take your place in the top 4 get money and strengthen with better quality players,in the meantime you lose out on that money and find it tough to attract the same calibre of player.It's a double edged sword.

I personally think that the signings were poor and he's not even getting the best out of what he has anyway.
I'm not sure theres any clubs with the same standing in the game as Liverpool that would give him another season after the signings he's made and how they have performed.

Sappy404 · 04-04-2012 12:45PM

Des wrote: »

Longest "transition" in history tbh.

Really? How long did it take Ferguson to win a league at United for example?

Cantona's Collars · 04-04-2012 12:45PM

SlickRic wrote: »

the club was in a fúcking jock behind the scenes for 2 years, so yes the last 2 years have been damn long.

lots of terrible decisions have delayed getting things moving forward again.

Things are moving forward nicely aren't they.If not for the terrible decision of using goals posts & crossbars Liverpool would have won a lot more games:rolleyes:

What will happen in say 2 years if ye have a new manager and are still fighting for 7th place in the league? It could happen as FSG have stated publically that funds for transfers will be limited this Summer so if I was a 'pool fan I wouldn't be too optimistic for the forthcoming season.

SlickRic · 04-04-2012 12:46PM

cambo2008 wrote: »

I personally think that the signings were poor and he's not even getting the best out of what he has anyway.
I'm not sure theres any clubs with the same standing in the game as Liverpool that would give him another season after the signings he's made and how they have performed.

and this is where I'm largely at with him to be fair.

Leiva · 04-04-2012 12:48PM

zerks wrote: »

Things are moving forward nicely aren't they.If not for the terrible decision of using goals posts & crossbars Liverpool would have won a lot more games:rolleyes:

What will happen in say 2 years if ye have a new manager and are still fighting for 7th place in the league? It could happen as FSG have stated publically that funds for transfers will be limited this Summer so if I was a 'pool fan I wouldn't be too optimistic for the forthcoming season.

Can you please link me to this - thanks .

SlickRic · 04-04-2012 12:53PM

zerks wrote: »

Things are moving forward nicely aren't they.If not for the terrible decision of using goals posts & crossbars Liverpool would have won a lot more games:rolleyes:

no need for the rolleyes in order to make your point.

did i say we're moving forward? did i say we're going nicely? did i even say I'm happy with Kenny?

i addressed the fact that you're calling us deluded, and the fact you seem to be of the opinion that we were last "challenging" 16 years ago, and surprise surprise, you tangent off on some cliché point you obviously believe all of us Liverpool supporters use as an excuse, when in reality, most have us have faced up to the fact we haven't been good enough.

What will happen in say 2 years if ye have a new manager and are still fighting for 7th place in the league? It could happen as FSG have stated publically that funds for transfers will be limited this Summer so if I was a 'pool fan I wouldn't be too optimistic for the forthcoming season.

i've no idea what will happen.

if this period of "transition", which as pointed out has been far too long, keeps going, it may be a long while before we're at the top end properly again. it's why i said this summer is vital in terms of getting decisions right - i.e. the management, as well as the transfers.

there's no point in looking 2 years down the road and figuring out what i'd do. so much can happen in that space of time.

willmunny1990 · 04-04-2012 12:54PM

can somebody answer me this...

Are the Pool owners currently seeing a return on their investment? Are they making money from the club (which is why they bought the club in the first place?) ?

If so, they could well be happy with 7th place finishes and a cup win here and there (despite what they say publicly)

because, if they pump in more money in an attempt to get pool into the CL places, would the risk be worth the sort of investment needed? they could pump £100m and Pool may still not get close enough to the CL places, thats very possible especially with the current competition of manc clubs, chelsea, spurs and arsenal.

and even if they got into the cl places for one season, theres no guarantee that they'd stay there considering that competition around. so would it be worth the gamble from their point of view?

Why would they bother taking that huge risk if they're making a decent amount of money the way things stand?

ShamoBuc · 04-04-2012 12:55PM

zerks wrote: »

if I was a 'pool fan I wouldn't be too optimistic for the forthcoming season.

But you're not, so don't worry about it.

We are an optimistic bunch.

Afterall, next year.....

Cantona's Collars · 04-04-2012 12:58PM

Leiva wrote: »

Can you please link me to this - thanks .

You're the Liverpool fan,I'd have thought you'd have known this already.

ShamoBuc · 04-04-2012 12:59PM

zerks wrote: »

You're the Liverpool fan,I'd have thought you'd have known this already.

I presume that's a no then.

Leiva · 04-04-2012 12:59PM

zerks wrote: »

You're the Liverpool fan,I'd have thought you'd have known this already.

Do you have a link or not ?

Or are you just stating that the transfer kitty will be limited like every other club ?

Cantona's Collars · 04-04-2012 01:01PM

ShamoBuc wrote: »

But you're not, so don't worry about it.

We are an odd bunch.

Afterall, next year.....

FYP.

Liked the "next year" bit though.I expect to see it used again......next year:pac:

ShamoBuc · 04-04-2012 01:03PM

zerks wrote: »

FYP.

Liked the "next year" bit though.I expect to see it used again......next year:pac:

Every year, without fail.

Sometimes, it will be correct;)

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Yes Kenny Dalglish and Liverpool are done. MOD POST #425 ALL READ