What would you do with Peyton Manning?

davyjose · 20-03-2012 07:22PM

Lol, Elway looks like the cat that got the cream.

davyjose · 20-03-2012 07:24PM

Looks so WRONG!!!!!

davyjose · 20-03-2012 07:27PM

So if Peyton wins a bunch of rings with Denver, will they retire the jersey again? Makes no sense. Should have taken 16.

Paully D · 20-03-2012 07:32PM

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

By the way, Denver and Arizona are both 3/1 to land Manning on PP. If Miami are ruled out like a lot of journalists are saying, there's an easy chance of making a nice profit there.

Thanks for the heads up on this by the way mate, nice little some coming to me when Paddy Power eventually pays up. It seems he's as slow to pay up on this bet as he was in keeping up with developments

spiralism wrote: »

*gets in the car*

good aul pp not keeping up with the sport..

Did you get a bet on this after mate?

Phoenix Park · 20-03-2012 07:35PM

Will admit to getting on the Broncos early on on one of the exchanges myself as news of their interest broke.

Wasn't enough liquidity in the Manning Next Team market to do much though.

JaMarcus Hustle · 20-03-2012 07:37PM

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me-skywalker · 20-03-2012 07:38PM

davyjose wrote: »

Looks so WRONG!!!!!

If it looks wrong now wait until August.

spiralism · 20-03-2012 07:41PM

Paully D wrote: »

Thanks for the heads up on this by the way mate, nice little some coming to me when Paddy Power eventually pays up. It seems he's as slow to pay up on this bet as he was in keeping up with developments

Did you get a bet on this after mate?

I did, which leaves me about square with the bookies after cheltenham last friday...stick to the stuff you know and all that...

spiralism · 20-03-2012 07:45PM

Meant to write this when i found out earlier:

Peyton Manning's next NFL Touchdown pass will obviously be his 1st for denver...but also his 400th career TD.

Also nice to know that three members of the current broncos roster are going to the HOF, two first ballot (Bailey, Manning, Dawkins).

20-03-2012 07:53PM

spiralism wrote: »

Also nice to know that three members of the current broncos roster are going to the HOF, two first ballot (Bailey, Manning, Dawkins).

its nice to say it but dawk and bailey are not a patch on what they were and peyton is coming back from an injury at the same time thats 3 unbelievable players for the young broncos to learn from

spiralism · 20-03-2012 07:56PM

Mohammed Nutritious Earache wrote: »

its nice to say it but dawk and bailey are not a patch on what they were and peyton is coming back from an injury at the same time thats 3 unbelievable players for the young broncos to learn from

Dawk yes. I hope he comes back now. I'm sure you as an Eagles fan would love to see nothing better than Dawkins finally getting the ring he deserves though, even if it's in a bit part role. Bailey is still top 5 at his age which is remarkable. In his prime he was every bit as good as Deion and could arguably have been better. 06 Bailey was so good he had more INTs than completions against ffs, thats outrageous

Jolly Red Giant · 20-03-2012 07:57PM

davyjose wrote: »

Condon is so clever. If he passes a physical in March 2013... so this is different to the Colts' contract whereby they had the option to cut him before March. Now all he has to do is pass the medical, and he's $40million to the good, and can't be simply cut. Smart.

If he can pass the medical why would Denver want to cut him?

The only reason that the Colts cut Manning was because they were drafting Luck - if Manning hadn't been hurt or the Colts were drafting down the order then Manning would still be there. the opportunity to draft Luck made Manning expendable.

davyjose wrote: »

Looks so WRONG!!!!!

do I detect the jolly green giant of envy?

Jolly Red Giant · 20-03-2012 07:58PM

spiralism wrote: »

Dawk yes. I hope he comes back now. I'm sure you as an Eagles fan would love to see nothing better than Dawkins finally getting the ring he deserves though, even if it's in a bit part role. Bailey is still top 5 at his age which is remarkable. In his prime he was every bit as good as Deion and could arguably have been better. 06 Bailey was so good he had more INTs than completions against ffs, thats outrageous

I agree - you can't touch a WR now and Bailey still stops the best WRs.

spiralism · 20-03-2012 08:04PM

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

I agree - you can't touch a WR now and Bailey still stops the best WRs.

He's basically the one Broncos player i've never criticised about anything over the years of watching him. I know that's me being hard to please but every player makes mistakes after all, no harm in saying it. Well, except Bailey, he pretty much never does anything wrong and his only flaw is age now.

MrDisgruntled · 20-03-2012 08:06PM

Does this mean that Tebow is traded? Still think Bills have pulled off the biggest coup with the signing of williams

Justin10 · 20-03-2012 08:11PM

MrDisgruntled wrote: »

Does this mean that Tebow is traded? Still think Bills have pulled off the biggest coup with the signing of williams

No but it looks like he will be traded.

On Manning, I just dont see the weapons for them to win the West handy never mind a Super Bowl.
I of course hope I am right, really looking forward to seeing him play though, makes the AFC West a lot more exciting.

I feel all four teams will be a lot better next year.

spiralism · 20-03-2012 08:13PM

MrDisgruntled wrote: »

Does this mean that Tebow is traded? Still think Bills have pulled off the biggest coup with the signing of williams

By the sounds. Elway and Tebow very much going the high road on this, Elway on Tebow:

The toughest thing about this thing is Tim Tebow because of what i think of Tim Tebow

Tim Tebow is a great kid. If I wanted someone to marry my daughter it'd be him...but with the opportunity to have Manning we had to take advantage

Elway rang him last night. Tebow, while disappointed, said, "You're talking about Peyton Manning and I understand what you're doing."

EDIT:
Elway after saying now that they want to look at a trade for Tebow's sake more than anything and that he deserves to start. He's sounded quite emotional on the subject, there's definitely a bit of guilt he feels there

****ing hell though, Elway's doing an excellent job, really handling the questions well and coming across brilliantly.

davyjose · 20-03-2012 10:03PM

Jags will start him. Theyre trying to stay afloat as an NFL city, nevermind win anything. Tebow will bring half of Gainesville with him.

davyjose · 20-03-2012 10:12PM

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

If he can pass the medical why would Denver want to cut him?

do I detect the jolly green giant of envy?

The tiny chance that he might have lost something and isnt worth $40m?

I'm jealous alright. Manning is the reason i started watching football. This is like finding out your ex just got engaged.

neilster · 21-03-2012 04:21PM

spiralism wrote: »

By the sounds. Elway and Tebow very much going the high road on this, Elway on Tebow:

Elway rang him last night. Tebow, while disappointed, said, "You're talking about Peyton Manning and I understand what you're doing."

EDIT:
Elway after saying now that they want to look at a trade for Tebow's sake more than anything and that he deserves to start. He's sounded quite emotional on the subject, there's definitely a bit of guilt he feels there

****ing hell though, Elway's doing an excellent job, really handling the questions well and coming across brilliantly.

Elway has shown a touch of class on all of this ....and you can see where gossip on Manning was saying "head says 49ers , heart is Broncos " . Elway is the heart . Yes the 49ers had a 14-3 team but the bar would be very high in 2012 . Elway was someone Manning trusted and thought to himself, the division is a winnable division and with Elway im in safe hands .

Certainly sounds that way ...this is good on Manning

http://nfl.si.com/2012/03/20/break-it-down-what-peyton-manning-can-do/?sct=nfl_t11_a7

Chucky the tree · 21-03-2012 04:27PM

neilster wrote: »

Elway has shown a touch of class on all of this ....and you can see where gossip on Manning was saying "head says 49ers , heart is Broncos " . Elway is the heart . Yes the 49ers had a 14-3 team but the bar would be very high in 2012 . Elway was someone Manning trusted and thought to himself, the division is a winnable division and with Elway im in safe hands .

Certainly sounds that way ...this is good on Manning

http://nfl.si.com/2012/03/20/break-it-down-what-peyton-manning-can-do/?sct=nfl_t11_a7

:pac:

adrian522 · 21-03-2012 05:32PM

neilster wrote: »

Elway has shown a touch of class on all of this ....and you can see where gossip on Manning was saying "head says 49ers , heart is Broncos " . Elway is the heart . Yes the 49ers had a 14-3 team but the bar would be very high in 2012 . Elway was someone Manning trusted and thought to himself, the division is a winnable division and with Elway im in safe hands .

Certainly sounds that way ...this is good on Manning

http://nfl.si.com/2012/03/20/break-it-down-what-peyton-manning-can-do/?sct=nfl_t11_a7

That and the fact that Denver were willing to pay about $30million more than SF were.

Jolly Red Giant · 21-03-2012 05:39PM

adrian522 wrote: »

That and the fact that Denver were willing to pay about $30million more than SF were.

Everyone knew going in what the contract was going to be - if SF weren't interested in paying what everyone knew the going rate for Manning was, they shouldn't have got involved and this process could have been sorted a week ago.

So was Harbaugh trying to play games or were they genuinely interested?

adrian522 · 21-03-2012 06:09PM

They were genuinely interested I think however I think they were thinking more like a 60 million contract. I don't know why you think they should not have tried to get him at that price? I have no problem with him taking the highed offer but I don't for a second believe he turned down SF because there would be too much pressure to win a Superbowl

spiralism · 21-03-2012 06:43PM

adrian522 wrote: »

That and the fact that Denver were willing to pay about $30million more than SF were.

Manning himself said the contract offer was the same from all teams and that it wasn't about the money, he didn't even speak to his agent for about four days at one point. To him it was just about what felt the best fit for him

Jolly Red Giant · 21-03-2012 06:43PM

adrian522 wrote: »

They were genuinely interested I think however I think they were thinking more like a 60 million contract. I don't know why you think they should not have tried to get him at that price?

If the SF FO were thinking $60million then they were stupid - everyone involved (including Miami and Arizona) knew the contract would have to be comparable to what Manning had in Indy - especially when he tossed back the contract KC presented to him with hardly an acknowledgement.

Manning in his press conference yesterday spoke in detail about the process and how the contract was negotiated. In the NFL respect = money and if SF were intent on $60million then as far as Manning would have been concerned they would have been showing a lack of respect. To assume anything otherwise was simply wasting everyones time.

adrian522 wrote: »

I have no problem with him taking the highed offer but I don't for a second believe he turned down SF because there would be too much pressure to win a Superbowl

I agree that the reason that he didn't join SF was not because of 'pressure'. Neither did he accept a 'higher' offer - he didn't even discuss money with the teams he interviewed with - it was only after he chose the Broncos that Condon got involved. If SF wanted him they should have expected to have to match the 'going rate' and Manning would not have entertained having any dealings with them if they didn't.

I suspect the reason he didn't go to SF was because he wouldn't have been abel to work with Harbaugh - both are control freaks when it comes to the offence and they would have been at loggerheads from day one.

I said all along that I thought Harbaugh was playing games with Smith - and it nearly blew up in his face. In the end it has worked out for Harbaugh - he has Smith on a three-year deal and then he can dump him if Kaepernik develops over the next two years.

spiralism · 21-03-2012 06:46PM

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

If the SF FO were thinking $60million then they were stupid - everyone involved (including Miami and Arizona) knew the contract would have to be comparable to what Manning had in Indy - especially when he tossed back the contract KC presented to him with hardly an acknowledgement.

Manning in his press conference yesterday spoke in detail about the process and how the contract was negotiated. In the NFL respect = money and if SF were intent on $60million then as far as Manning would have been concerned they would have been showing a lack of respect. To assume anything otherwise was simply wasting everyones time.

I agree that the reason that he didn't join SF was not because of 'pressure'. Neither did he accept a 'higher' offer - he didn't even discuss money with the teams he interviewed with - it was only after he chose the Broncos that Condon got involved. If SF wanted him they should have expected to have to match the 'going rate' and Manning would not have entertained having any dealings with them if they didn't.

I suspect the reason he didn't go to SF was because he wouldn't have been abel to work with Harbaugh - both are control freaks when it comes to the offence and they would have been at loggerheads from day one.

I said all along that I thought Harbaugh was playing games with Smith - and it nearly blew up in his face. In the end it has worked out for Harbaugh - he has Smith on a three-year deal and then he can dump him if Kaepernik develops over the next two years.

I just thought it was harbaugh trying to put the frighteners on Smith so he could get a reasonable contract negotiated. The niners interest was so out of nowhere that it screamed "ruse"

Jolly Red Giant · 21-03-2012 06:56PM

spiralism wrote: »

I just thought it was harbaugh trying to put the frighteners on Smith so he could get a reasonable contract negotiated. The niners interest was so out of nowhere that it screamed "ruse"

If Manning had picked the Titans, Harbaugh would have tried to get Hasselback and dumped Smith - he tried to get Hasselback last year and failed.

adrian522 · 21-03-2012 08:16PM

OK, firstly, this is all based on what a SF journalist wrote on twitter so it could be all BS for all I know and you could be 100% right.

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

If the SF FO were thinking $60million then they were stupid - everyone involved (including Miami and Arizona) knew the contract would have to be comparable to what Manning had in Indy - especially when he tossed back the contract KC presented to him with hardly an acknowledgement.

I don't think it's stupid at all. I think in any negotiation you decide what you think the player is worth and make an offer, if it works out great if not so be it. I think it would have been incredibly stupid to mortgage the clubs future on one player who is 36 and recovering from a serious injury. It would also have meant not being able to strengthen the Offensive line and it would have meant renegotiating a load of contracts.

Now I'm not saying you are wrong, you could be 100% correct but I just don't see any way SF would have been able to afford that sort of contract.

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Manning in his press conference yesterday spoke in detail about the process and how the contract was negotiated. In the NFL respect = money and if SF were intent on $60million then as far as Manning would have been concerned they would have been showing a lack of respect. To assume anything otherwise was simply wasting everyones time.

I don't think it shows a lack of respect at all as the extra money would have been spent in other areas of the team in an attempt to bring about a superbowl. Giving Manning all that money is pointless if your receivers aren't good enough and you cant pass protect.

I would have thought Manning would have accepted a little less money to have a better shot at a superbowl, but if they were all offering the same then that doesn't come into it (though I'm not convinced of that)

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

I agree that the reason that he didn't join SF was not because of 'pressure'. Neither did he accept a 'higher' offer - he didn't even discuss money with the teams he interviewed with - it was only after he chose the Broncos that Condon got involved. If SF wanted him they should have expected to have to match the 'going rate' and Manning would not have entertained having any dealings with them if they didn't.

So you think he came out and chose the Broncos and nothing about money was discussed at that point? I'd be pretty sceptical about that to be honest.

If what you are saying is true and no contract was discussed I'd be amazed.

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

I suspect the reason he didn't go to SF was because he wouldn't have been abel to work with Harbaugh - both are control freaks when it comes to the offence and they would have been at loggerheads from day one.

I can't buy into that reasoning at all, I can't imagine Manning passing(pardon the pun) on his best chance to go to a superbowl ready team because he thought he wouldn't be able to work with the head coach. I'm sure if manning had come in he would have had a huge amount of iinfluence over how the offense would work.

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

I said all along that I thought Harbaugh was playing games with Smith - and it nearly blew up in his face. In the end it has worked out for Harbaugh - he has Smith on a three-year deal and then he can dump him if Kaepernik develops over the next two years.

This I disagree with, I think if anyone was playing games it was Baalke. I think SF were genuinely interested, I don't see what they could have gained by faking interest, they nearly lost Smith and the relationship between coach and QB has been damaged. Even when smith was the only option for SF he still signed the same contract they had previously offered him ($24m over 3 years)

Jolly Red Giant · 21-03-2012 08:43PM

adrian522 wrote: »

Now I'm not saying you are wrong, you could be 100% correct but I just don't see any way SF would have been able to afford that sort of contract.

Everyone was aware of the numbers - very early in the process 5year/60mil was tweeted and almost immediately refuted by every commentator who stated that anyone interested would have to pony up a contract similar to the one Manning had with the Colts.

adrian522 wrote: »

I don't think it shows a lack of respect at all as the extra money would have been spent in other areas of the team in an attempt to bring about a superbowl. Giving Manning all that money is pointless if your receivers aren't good enough and you cant pass protect.

That's not how Manning would have ever viewed it - his attitude is/would be - 'this is what I'm worth - you know what I bring to the table - it's up to you to sort out the rest of the roster'

adrian522 wrote: »

I would have thought Manning would have accepted a little less money to have a better shot at a superbowl, but if they were all offering the same then that doesn't come into it (though I'm not convinced of that)

Manning made it clear that he picked the team that he thought was the best fit - he clearly did not think SF was the best fit for him despite their advantage of having such a good defence.

adrian522 wrote: »

So you think he came out and chose the Broncos and nothing about money was discussed at that point? I'd be pretty sceptical about that to be honest.

Listen to his press conference - all last week he had absolutely no contact with Tom Condon - he drove the entire process himself - organised all the discussions and work-outs himself - all his discussions with the teams were based on football not money.

adrian522 wrote: »

If what you are saying is true and no contract was discussed I'd be amazed.

Be amazed - even the teams that were rejected have said nothing about contract discussions. The only team that produced a contract during the process were KC and Manning dismissed them out of hand - partly apparently because they wanted to talk money first and he wanted to talk football.

adrian522 wrote: »

I can't buy into that reasoning at all, I can't imagine Manning passing(pardon the pun) on his best chance to go to a superbowl ready team because he thought he wouldn't be able to work with the head coach. I'm sure if manning had come in he would have had a huge amount of iinfluence over how the offense would work.

This has been repeatedly stated by people with far more sources than you or I. Harbaugh is a control freak - so is Manning when it comes to running the offence. The Broncos told Manning that the OC would provide the heads of the offensive playbook and Manning would fill in the rest - this is how Manning has always worked and it has worked for him and the Colts. Nobody believes that Harbaugh would have given that kind of control to Manning.

adrian522 wrote: »

This I disagree with, I think if anyone was playing games it was Baalke. I think SF were genuinely interested, I don't see what they could have gained by faking interest, they nearly lost Smith and the relationship between coach and QB has been damaged.

Quite possible - but a definite red flag for Manning - the GM in SF didn't want him (and he stated this as late as 7th March). Same problem in Tennessee - GM and HC didn't want him. Evey member of the Denver FO wanted Manning.

adrian522 wrote: »

Even when smith was the only option for SF he still signed the same contract they had previously offered him ($24m over 3 years)

This is interesting - because Smith claims that he was never offered a contract. He claims that he was told the numbers in the contract but never given the contract to sign. It is possible that initally Harbaugh was waiting to see if Hassleback might be cut if Manning picked the Titans. Yes Smith signed the contract but it looks like the SF FO were playing games with him during this entire porcess.

What would you do with Peyton Manning?

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