What would you do with Peyton Manning?

Stev_o

It's been in the news on a weekly basis since the start of the season, is Manning going to remain a Colt, will he ever play Football again? Of course these sort of under shadow probably the main question will he play Football at the same level again. We don't need to explain how much he means to the Colts a simple number can tell us that. But another number also rears his head and that's his massive contract.

The Colts are pretty much guaranteed the number 1 draft pick this year and everyone thinks they will go for Luck.

So ill put the question to the Board. If you were the Colts what would you do with Manning?

Justin10

Its a hard one, he is 35 so lets say another 3-4 years left for him probably less.
I dont see the colts winning the super bowl anyway.
So probably makes sense to go with Luck if they can rework the deal with manning.
They would get a decent offer for him and rebuild the team around Luck.

UnitedIrishman

Take Luck. See what offers come for Manning. If they get a big offer from Jets or whoever then take it and rebuild the squad. If not, keep Manning and sit Luck for a year. Re-assess next year then.

Syferus

I don't think everyone assumes they'll keep Luck and they'll at least look into leveraging the #1 pick or Luck post-draft for value if Manning is good to go by then. It's all still up in the air.

Benny Cake

What would Manning be worth in terms of a trade? What would a franchise be willing to give up to have him considering he will be 36 next year?

jack presley

I'd trade him and keep Luck. There are plenty of teams that will give an arm and a leg to get Manning. Personally, I think he's done and even though there's a chance that Luck turns into Ryan Leaf, I'd still take the chance on him

Spongey1975

Well first of all i would get him to change his name back to Cam Newton, wait its a different Peyton Manning we're talking about

Trade him and have Luck as your starter, whatever you get for him can be used to build the team around Luck

Peyton Manning

Assuming his health status is known come draft time, I'd trade out of number 1, stockpile a treasury of picks and ask Manning "What do you need to win another Superbowl?". I've said it before, but I think it reflects very badly on Polian that the Colts have only won one Superbowl despite having one of the best quarterbacks in NFL history for over a decade. This year shows that they just haven't been surrounding him with the talent necessary to win the Superbowl. If he's healthy, and bare in mind that some of the picks trading out of that number 1 spot would be offensive line to help protect him, then there's no reason you wouldnt get the rest of his contract out of him at his peak.

tallaghtoutlaws

Take Luck and depending on how Manning's shoulder is I would

A) Keep him on as a QB coach if he is fooked and has to retire or no one bites on him due to his injury and re-negotiate his contract considering he will be done. Thus freeing up cap room and try find players on the FA and rest of draft.

or

Trade him. Get a few solid picks for the 2013 draft and Free up a massive amount of cap room and take Luck and fix the necessary spots on the FA and the rest of the draft. The following season the 2013 draft should have a few more stockpiled picks after trading Manning and fix the rest of the gaps.

At this point with Luck or Manning the Colts need a lot of solid players to contend again. Injury all round didn't help but they need to fix the glaring holes all over that team.

I definitely wouldn't give up a shot on what possibly could be your next franchise QB in the hope you get loads more picks and potentially not get in line for one of the other guys. Especially when it seems Luck is the best option out there.

Hazys

Another option is trade the 1st pick for a bounty of picks.

D3PO

assuming you were confident Manning will be fit and not fragile going forward id trade the first pick if the right offer came in.

If the Colts were able to do a deal to move down in the first round where they could still get Barkley or RG3 and get some other decent high picks this year and next then it would be well worth it.

The colts are needing help in many positions and would be much better advsied to go get the help there whilst having a crack trying to win it all with Manning with some decent upgrades to their team.

Neil3030

When Greenbay drafted Rodgers in 2005, Favre turned 36 the following October. I think a serious lesson is there to be taken from how they handled the ensuing scenario.

Manning may well be offered the choice of (a) a crack at the Superbowl or (b) remaining with the Colts, but I just don't see him getting both. The Colts need to do what's best for their situation going forward. This involves rebuilding around a QB they are confident will give them 5+ years of service, ideally more. For this, they need time and cap space; Manning gives them neither. Their long-term plan, therefore, can't be reconciled with putting the required effort into such a short-term plan as getting Manning a Superbowl; a plan which may not even come off.

As wrenching as it will be, they need to ship off Manning to achieve long term vitality. Maybe not immediately. They could give Luck a year, assess whether they like him to be their man going forward and have a contingency to go back to Manning or trade him for next year's draft. Manning will have his choice of suitors and could end up at a team where he himself gets a decent shot at the Lombardi.

Manning will always be a hero to Colts fans, by stepping aside and letting the franchise do what they need to do, he may well do more to establish a long term place in their hearts than were he to stick around. The question is whether he himself will be happy to waste a year at the Colts, knowing all to well that he is holding the fort while the coaches decide on the suitability of his successor.

Whatever happens, I think a very interesting few months await in Indy when the football side of things wraps up for this season.

Mr. Guappa

Peyton Manning wrote: »

Assuming his health status is known come draft time, I'd trade out of number 1, stockpile a treasury of picks and ask Manning "What do you need to win another Superbowl?". I've said it before, but I think it reflects very badly on Polian that the Colts have only won one Superbowl despite having one of the best quarterbacks in NFL history for over a decade. This year shows that they just haven't been surrounding him with the talent necessary to win the Superbowl. If he's healthy, and bare in mind that some of the picks trading out of that number 1 spot would be offensive line to help protect him, then there's no reason you wouldnt get the rest of his contract out of him at his peak.

I'd agree with this. The most important questions regarding Manning is do the Colts believe he makes a full recovery from this injury and how many more years can they reasonably expect him to play at a top level for? If the answer to these questions is YES and 3-4 years then they should trade out of #1 and add talent to the roster with the accumulated draft picks. That gives them the Superbowl chance with Manning in the next couple of years and they can try pick up their future QB in the next couple of drafts.

Drafting Luck and keeping Manning too is the worst option for them IMO. You've got Manning surrounded by an inferior roster for the next year or two and a QB controversy brewing in the background the whole time.

eagle eye

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Take Luck and depending on how Manning's shoulder is I would

A) Keep him on as a QB coach if he is fooked and has to retire or no one bites on him due to his injury and re-negotiate his contract considering he will be done. Thus freeing up cap room and try find players on the FA and rest of draft.

or

Trade him. Get a few solid picks for the 2013 draft and Free up a massive amount of cap room and take Luck and fix the necessary spots on the FA and the rest of the draft. The following season the 2013 draft should have a few more stockpiled picks after trading Manning and fix the rest of the gaps.

At this point with Luck or Manning the Colts need a lot of solid players to contend again. Injury all round didn't help but they need to fix the glaring holes all over that team.

I definitely wouldn't give up a shot on what possibly could be your next franchise QB in the hope you get loads more picks and potentially not get in line for one of the other guys. Especially when it seems Luck is the best option out there.

Excellent post, thats my thoughts well put and saves me a good bit of time. Not often we agree so closely on something.:)

fisgon

Imagine how strange it would be to see Manning in a Redskins or Seahawks uniform. Very weird. Inconceivable until this year, but actually looking like a real possibility. Even with Manning in the next two years, you have to wonder if Indy is capable of doing anything, so they should trade him now, and let someone else worry about his declining health and skills.

Dohnny Jepp

Manning is the best Quarterback I've ever seen. If he's healthy I'd want him over luck, trade out of number 1 and get as much quality players as u can

kev_s88

id say put him and Favre out to harvest, and use their body parts and organs to create some sort of super quarterback! Brett Manning has an awesome ring to it doesn't it?

ReacherCreature

Some interesting opinions on this thread. I'm not sure what I'd do but seeing Manning go would be a terrible sight. He's an institution in the Colts and NFL and seeing him in a different jersey would be odd. I always thought he'd be a Colt for life and they'd need to drag him out of there.

davyjose

i'm so torn on this, I'm not sure what I want. Manning got me into NFL. The idea of him leaving feels, I would imagine, a bit like when Ryan Giggs hangs up his boots, but worse, because he's everything to the Colts. Literally. But if you ask me honestly do I think he'll ever be the same again, I'd have to say no. He's almost 36, and is playing with a neck/shoulder that seems to be beyond repair. Or at the very least, tacked together with super glue.

The Defense is shambolic. the offense is not what we thought it was, and I can't see us winning another Super Bowl without some major rebuilding. That would require picking up one of the two best NFL QB prospects of the last 10 years, and trading Manning for some picks in later drafts. And without that happening, we'll be on a slow steady decline for God knows how long.

But having said that. I still don't want him to leave. It would kill me to see him play for another team. And sadden me for a long time to see him retire like this.

I dunno:(

I will pick up on one thing (our) Peyton Manning said. Polian has been riding the Manning wave way too long now. And it's been obvious since even before the Super Bowl loss. He needs to go, if you ask me. He has let the quality of this team slide since winning the big one. He's basically isolated himself from the fans in Indy. And tbh I think the old geezer is past it. And his son as his replacement with absolutely zero credentials speaks volumes of the state this franchise is falling into.

Silver Clown

For me it a lot of it comes down to whether Manning is healthy enough to continue to play football again or not. If it's unclear or looking like he won't be playing again, I say we draft Luck. If Manning is fit enough to continue on for a few more years (this is a big ask though IMO!), trade the first pick for a couple more picks and start fixing the holes all over the team so Peyton can have another shot at the Super Bowl. Saying that though, having Peyton mentor Luck or another young QB is tempting alright. I have mixed feelings about this tbh.

Although, I'm not sure how many teams would be interested in a trade with Indy for Manning. With his cap hit / age / health issues etc it'd be a bit of a gamble for any team to take him on. Also I'd like him to retire a Colt and Peyton playing in another uniform just doesn't seem right to me.

Syferus

Silver Clown wrote: »

For me it all comes down to whether Manning is healthy enough to continue to play football again or not. If it's unclear or looking like he won't be playing again, I say we draft Luck. If Manning is fit enough to continue on for a few more years (this is a big ask though IMO!), trade the first pick for a couple more picks and start fixing the holes all over the team so Peyton can have another shot at the Super Bowl.

Although, I'm not sure how many teams would be interested in a trade with Indy for Manning. With his cap hit / age / health issues etc it'd be a bit of a gamble for any team to take him on. Also I'd like him to retire a Colt and Peyton playing in another uniform just doesn't seem right to me.

Teams will figure out how to make it work if Peyton Manning is on the market, when you're arguably the greatest QB to ever throw a ball you're going to get alot of interest, even with a recovering neck and an advancing age there wil lbe no shortage of interest.

Manning has always been very smart about avoiding damage from hits buy throwing the ball away so it's not like he'll be battered and his game was never about agility or movement speed.

Dohnny Jepp

Would love to see him with the Titans. Can't see the colts letting him go within the division.

frostie500

If Im the Colts I draft Luck and keep Manning. I know the trend in recent years has been that young QBs can win in the NFL but look at the long term development of players like Aaron Rodgers and Philip Rivers. They both sat behind Brett Favre and Drew Brees before getting their chances as starters. Both players learned about what it took to be a top tier QB and once they got onto the field the Packers and Chargers hardly missed a beat.

If Indy draft Luck they can wait and see how Manning heals. If they can get even one year out of Manning its not as if either of their trade values will sink too far-a team is always going to offer a first and a couple more picks for Manning or Luck.

With the rookie wage scale now in place the cost of having Luck on the books for even four years as a backup isnt huge and defintely not crippling so the Colts can take him and keep Manning. If Peyton returns to the form he showed throughout his career, clearly not a certainty but also not improbable, the Colts would be foolish to let him leave and replace him with a QB that while clearly a superb prospect still might not pan out as planned.

Im sure there is a lot of temptation to cut ties with Manning due to the huge money involved in keeping him but it might be more prudent to pay him his 28m for 2012 and then evaluate the situation at the end of next season.

spiralism

Suppose he leaves... where does he land? i dont think he'll land on a bad team, he'd be looking for a pretty good one to win a superbowl. Arizona and Baltimore stand out, though he could justify going to Washington or Minnesota as they have a lot of pieces apart from QB, despite bad records

fwiw, he stays and it's the next favre/rodgers scenario, it's what they should do

me-skywalker

I'ld take Luck and keep Manning.

1) The optimistic view: One of the greatest QB's ever, can teach/coach/prepare/aid one of the greatests propsects development technically, physically and mentally.

2) The cynical view: Your taking Luck away from other teams, maybe even trade him yourself.

3) The offside view: By Manning having a season behind him he would be more attractable for a trade the season after for some weapons for Luck. Caveat: If he is willing to play for another team and if he is fit enough and if Luck is Indy's man after having the year with him.

frostie500

spiralism wrote: »

Suppose he leaves... where does he land? i dont think he'll land on a bad team, he'd be looking for a pretty good one to win a superbowl. Arizona and Baltimore stand out, though he could justify going to Washington or Minnesota as they have a lot of pieces apart from QB, despite bad records

I think the easiest way of looking at that is which teams wouldnt be instantly improved by having Manning under centre. The only teams that wouldnt be interested would be the Pats, Saints, Packers, Chargers, Giants, Eagles and Steelers. The likes of Falcons, Bears, Texans, Jets, Ravens and Bills all have a lot of money invested in their existing QBs so could also be removed from the equation.

Then you have the likes of Cardinals and Vikings who are only a couple of year's removed from conference title games and who have got some elite talent on their rosters so they would be potential landing spots. The Cards of course have money tied up with Kolb and gave away picks so it might be difficult to see them making a move.

Outside of them teams you're looking at the likes of Tampa Bay, Panthers, Bengals, Lions, Niners and Rams who have young QBs that have each shown flashes of great promise and who might be willing to stick with them even ahead of Manning given the cost of signing him.

The Browns and Titans both drafted QBs in the last two years but Colt McCoy doesnt look very secure in Cleveland, I rate him but if Manning were available they would surely think about throw their name in the hat. I'm sure Peyton would have other ideas though! The Titans have Jake Locker but not much money tied up in him and I'm sure if Manning was looking to move from Indy a switch to his college state would be of interest to him.

Beyond those teams you have the likes of the Raiders, Broncos, Washington and Miami have all shown moments of promise this year but do not have a franchise QB. I'd say that the prospect of going to Miami would appeal to Manning. Being the man to rescue them from obscurity since Marino and follow in the footsteps of his hero.

I'd see it Vikings as the favourites because they have no money tied up in a QB, they would allow Manning to continue to play in a dome and they still have some terrific players on the roster. The Titans would let him retire in the South and with Chris Johnston and Manning they would be a formidable offence. And then Miami would surely offer a shedload of cash and given their tactic of renaming the stadium every couple of years they will probably name it after Manning! Add in the factor of emulating Marino and it would be a good sell. I think the competitor in Manning would also like to match wits against Brady and Bellichik twice a year, never mind Rex Ryan as well.

themont85

I have serious doubts as to whether Manning is prepared to play on with the Colts with a player of the calibre of Luck behind him. To be perfectly honest, Manning if he's healthy could easily play 4 more top years of football and he will still be absolutely class.

If I'm the Colts, I trade him. Manning will dictate though what happens in that regard. He won't go somewhere volatile ownership wise or somewhere where he can't be Manning (ie Offensive coordinator:D). I've often wondered though how he'd get on with a Sean Payton or Mike Shanahan calling his plays....

death1234567

Trade manning. Even if he gets healthy again and plays to a high level the colts still aren't a super bowl team. They have a serious talent deficit that's going to take 2/3 years to rebuild regardless of who's QB. Trade manning for some picks, draft luck and start the rebuilding process. They longer they leave it the harder its going to be.

Neil3030

frostie500 wrote: »

I think the easiest way of looking at that is which teams wouldnt be instantly improved by having Manning under centre. The only teams that wouldnt be interested would be the Pats, Saints, Packers, Chargers, Giants, Eagles and Steelers. The likes of Falcons, Bears, Texans, Jets, Ravens and Bills all have a lot of money invested in their existing QBs so could also be removed from the equation.

Then you have the likes of Cardinals and Vikings who are only a couple of year's removed from conference title games and who have got some elite talent on their rosters so they would be potential landing spots. The Cards of course have money tied up with Kolb and gave away picks so it might be difficult to see them making a move.

Outside of them teams you're looking at the likes of Tampa Bay, Panthers, Bengals, Lions, Niners and Rams who have young QBs that have each shown flashes of great promise and who might be willing to stick with them even ahead of Manning given the cost of signing him.

The Browns and Titans both drafted QBs in the last two years but Colt McCoy doesnt look very secure in Cleveland, I rate him but if Manning were available they would surely think about throw their name in the hat. I'm sure Peyton would have other ideas though! The Titans have Jake Locker but not much money tied up in him and I'm sure if Manning was looking to move from Indy a switch to his college state would be of interest to him.

Beyond those teams you have the likes of the Raiders, Broncos, Washington and Miami have all shown moments of promise this year but do not have a franchise QB. I'd say that the prospect of going to Miami would appeal to Manning. Being the man to rescue them from obscurity since Marino and follow in the footsteps of his hero.

I'd see it Vikings as the favourites because they have no money tied up in a QB, they would allow Manning to continue to play in a dome and they still have some terrific players on the roster. The Titans would let him retire in the South and with Chris Johnston and Manning they would be a formidable offence. And then Miami would surely offer a shedload of cash and given their tactic of renaming the stadium every couple of years they will probably name it after Manning! Add in the factor of emulating Marino and it would be a good sell. I think the competitor in Manning would also like to match wits against Brady and Bellichik twice a year, never mind Rex Ryan as well.

Could Manning work with Carroll out in Seattle? A young team, decent running game, solid defence, no lasting commitments at QB.

Trade for Manning and draft improvements to the receiving corps and they could be a real force imo.

tallaghtoutlaws

Neil3030 wrote: »

Could Manning work with Carroll out in Seattle? A young team, decent running game, solid defence, no lasting commitments at QB.

Trade for Manning and draft improvements to the receiving corps and they could be a real force imo.

I couldn't see Carroll give up so much power to Manning. And this is one of the problems that faces any kind of movement for Manning. If he goes to these teams are they going to give him the same kind of respect demanded by him over the Offensive Coord and Head Coach. You would have to find a head coach that is willing to let Manning loose and Pete Carroll isn't one of these hence why his team is young. Dude still thinks he is coaching college kids.

Jopari87

I would keep Manning, because if he is healthy I think Colt's could reach a Superbowl in the next 2/3 years, as I don't think the team is as bad as they have been playing.

The running game has been better this year, and with Peyton the pass game will always be ok. Although the defense is not great, the reason the have been so woeful this year is because of the offence's constant 3 and outs and non existent playcalling. A good DT and a couple of dbs would make a huge difference. Also the team was demoralised before the season even started, and just look at broncos to see the change in attitude one player can make.

One thing Colts have to consider is that Wayne and Mathis may leave through free agency. If that is the case they might get rid of Manning and start rebuilding from scratch.

Dohnny Jepp

To be fair to manning though, he is a better OC then most actual OC's!

Jopari87

Dohnny Jepp wrote: »

To be fair to manning though, he is a better OC then most actual OC's!

I'd love to know what Manning thinks of Clyde Christensen, because if looks could kill, he'd be dead a long time ago.

Chucky the tree

Trade him. The colts window has passed I think. Even when he was elite they still struggled to make and win superbowls so I wouldn't expect him to do it after neck srgery when there time is even weaker. I don't think Manning has many years left in him.

themont85

Jopari87 wrote: »

I would keep Manning, because if he is healthy I think Colt's could reach a Superbowl in the next 2/3 years, as I don't think the team is as bad as they have been playing.

The running game has been better this year, and with Peyton the pass game will always be ok. Although the defense is not great, the reason the have been so woeful this year is because of the offence's constant 3 and outs and non existent playcalling. A good DT and a couple of dbs would make a huge difference. Also the team was demoralised before the season even started, and just look at broncos to see the change in attitude one player can make.

One thing Colts have to consider is that Wayne and Mathis may leave through free agency. If that is the case they might get rid of Manning and start rebuilding from scratch.

With Manning yes, now eh. Their roster just doesn't have much talent. Manning has masked the deficiencies for a while now. I will say though that a better Head Coach than Jim Caldwell would have got at least a win by now. Good Head Coaches find a way to fashion wins. He is a dreadful HC and endemic with some of the issues with the Colts. Dungy picking his successor was an utter joke.

By picking Luck they are losing on a lot of talent to put around Manning if they go for a run. I'm pretty sure I heard someone in the know saying it would take 3 first rounders plus a few other high picks to get the pick.

I think that:
Manning plus Luck for several years; won't win any Superbowls which is what Manning and the Colts should be about at this stage. I highly doubt they keep Wayne after this year.

Imagine now just for a second, Manning is traded and that team also swoops for Wayne. Manning at the Dolphins would automatically render them a serious contender in my opinion. A Wayne and Marshell tandem with Manning throwing the ball could be devastating...

Dohnny Jepp

The bengals or Patriots could if they wanted trade to the number spot... and do it only using the raiders picks.

Good ould charitable raiders

Jopari87

themont85 wrote: »

With Manning yes, now eh. Their roster just doesn't have much talent. Manning has masked the deficiencies for a while now. I will say though that a better Head Coach than Jim Caldwell would have got at least a win by now. Good Head Coaches find a way to fashion wins. He is a dreadful HC and endemic with some of the issues with the Colts. Dungy picking his successor was an utter joke.

By picking Luck they are losing on a lot of talent to put around Manning if they go for a run. I'm pretty sure I heard someone in the know saying it would take 3 first rounders plus a few other high picks to get the pick.

I think that:
Manning plus Luck for several years; won't win any Superbowls which is what Manning and the Colts should be about at this stage. I highly doubt they keep Wayne after this year.

Imagine now just for a second, Manning is traded and that team also swoops for Wayne. Manning at the Dolphins would automatically render them a serious contender in my opinion. A Wayne and Marshell tandem with Manning throwing the ball could be devastating...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they are stacked with talent but I think with a few tweaks the team is closer to .500 than .000 even without Manning.

I agree totally with the coaching, way too conservative, especially defensively. As I said in my other post, the defence has some talented players if the scheming was better. Not even Revis could cover anyone if the coaches are telling the dbs to give at least 10 yards cushion. I don't know why they even huddle as everyone knows its just going to be a Tampa 2.

I'll use Tim Jennings as an example. Used to give up huge plays and looked worse than Lacey or Thomas do now. Was picked up by the Bears after he was cut and is playing very well for them as starting corner.

Chucky the tree

Dohnny Jepp wrote: »

The bengals or Patriots could if they wanted trade to the number spot... and do it only using the raiders picks.

Good ould charitable raiders

I can definitly see the colts the number one spot to the Pats for a second round pick alright. :pac:

Dohnny Jepp

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I can definitly see the colts the number one spot to the Pats for a second round pick alright. :pac:

davyjose

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

I couldn't see Carroll give up so much power to Manning. And this is one of the problems that faces any kind of movement for Manning. If he goes to these teams are they going to give him the same kind of respect demanded by him over the Offensive Coord and Head Coach. You would have to find a head coach that is willing to let Manning loose and Pete Carroll isn't one of these hence why his team is young. Dude still thinks he is coaching college kids.

Part of the reason the Colts coaching staff are so sh!te is because Manning did have so much power. Being an OC and QB is a nice talent to have, but manning should be calling occasional audibles, not every play. I think it's handicapped us in big games in the past tbh. coaches at a new franchise would give him massive respect, but also - rightly - be the ones calling the shots. Either way, when Caldwell leaves this offseason. A head coach who will stand up to Polian, and have absolute power on gameday, is a must.

In a way, this franchise started to unravel when Dungy left. Caldwell is Polian's puppet now. And for 2 seasons Manning had more power than his own head coach. Any franchise where the Coach is at the mercy of the GM is a no go. look at oakland and Dallas

conno16

peyton eats too much red meat according to Kevin Cadle.
there could be something in this but i'm not a nutritionalist

ReacherCreature

conno16 wrote: »

peyton eats too much red meat according to Kevin Cadle.
there could be something in this but i'm not a nutritionalist

What?

davyjose

conno16 wrote: »

peyton eats too much red meat according to Kevin Cadle.
there could be something in this but i'm not a nutritionalist

Here, play with this:



the adults are having a discussion.

tallaghtoutlaws

conno16 wrote: »

peyton eats too much red meat according to Kevin Cadle.
there could be something in this but i'm not a nutritionalist

Peyton Manning

Pats should trade for him and put him behind Brady just so he knows his place.

davyjose

Peyton Manning wrote: »

Pats should trade for him and put him behind Brady just so he knows his place.

Yeah, a banged up, out of shape Manning in a foreign offense is probably not quite as good as brady. not quite.







-- Oh no you ditten!

Hulk Hands

Peyton Manning wrote: »

Pats should trade for him and put him behind Brady just so he knows his place.

There would be no more OC and QB fighting going on as Peyton could do both jobs..... To a higher level too

Dohnny Jepp

Peyton Manning wrote: »

Pats should trade for him and put him behind Brady just so he knows his place.

Dont you think brady is a bit small to play center?

Neil3030

Let's keep this on track please.

Stev_o

Bumpty Bump

Hazys wrote: »

I'd say the Peyton Manning discussion needs its own thread because something tells me the discussion of "will he, wont he" will go on for awhile and when the decision is made, this forum is going to explode.

Maybe a mod can create a new thread and carry over the conversation already posted.

walt colman

This would make a good retirement home: