Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

mikom · 20-03-2012 4:00pm

alastair wrote: »

You were signing on?

Yuk, yuk.

Remember that threat that the charge would be taken from wages.
Well that just got a bit sticky for ould Phil.....

Several trade unions today voiced their opposition to the €100 household charge.

Unite has urged its 60,000 members not register for the charge before the March 31st deadline.

“We have been urging and encouraging members to organise within their workplaces and local communities to stand in support of the campaign and push the Government towards a fairer and more equitable solution,” union spokesman Rob Hartnett said at a press conference today. The union is not opposed to a property tax but to the idea of a flat rate charge, he said.

The executive of the Civil and Public Service Union (CPSU) has passed a motion calling for the tax to be scrapped but has not called on members to boycott the charge.

The general feeling of members, which is made up of lower paid civil and public servants, was that the lower paid are being "hit the hardest" once again, executive member Terry Kelleher said.

A motion calling for a ballot for industrial action if members have to deduct the charge from wages will be discussed at the union’s national conference next month.

Dublin Council of Trade Unions spokesman Des Derwin said the umbrella body supported the efforts of the Campaign Against Household and Water Taxes organisers “to support the efforts of organisers to encourage people not to register and not to pay”.

The meeting of unions was organised by the campaign, which will hold a protest rally in Dublin on Saturday.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0320/breaking28.html

Here's the kicker.
Unite are affiliated to the Labour party.
You couldn't make it up.

alastair · 20-03-2012 4:02pm

Wild Bill wrote: »

I reckon you win the prize for writing most while saying least.;)

Is that a human being saying that, or your straw man?

I refuse to 'stand under' your statement.

Biggins · 20-03-2012 4:03pm

alastair wrote: »

Ah hah ha! I see what you did there! Very clever.

Thank you!

alastair wrote: »

...About as clever as buying into freeman myths.

These freeman people can believe what they like. Never stated I was into their ...'myths' as you call it?

Not sure what your on about there - but anyway, back to reality, the true fact is that while there will be a last minute bump in those paying it, it will be NOTHING substantial to seriously dent the supposed 1.6 million that have not registered/paid the charge.

...And anyone that says different, is still living on cloud Nine believing their own myths.

alastair wrote: »

You were signing on?

:pac:

Paying bills I actually owe on.
You know, bills (esb, phone, gas,) where you get something previously.

Awaits someone foolish to say "...But the household charge is for bins and water services, etc..." :pac:

alastair · 20-03-2012 4:03pm

mikom wrote: »

Remember that threat that the charge would be taken from wages.
Well that just got a bit sticky for ould Phil.....

hmm.

'The union is not opposed to a property tax but to the idea of a flat rate charge'

alastair · 20-03-2012 4:04pm

Biggins wrote: »

Thank you!

These freeman people can believe what they like. Never stated I was into their ...'myths' as you call it?

Not sure what your on about there - but anyway, back to reality, the true fact is that while there will be a last minute bump in those paying it, it will; be NOTHING substantial to seriously dent the supposed 1.6 million that have not registered/paid the charge.

...And anyone that says different, is still living on cloud Nine believing their own myths.

Well - given you thanked the man for a post comprising entirely of freeman myths - it's hard to believe you're not a subscriber.

mikom · 20-03-2012 4:06pm

alastair wrote: »

hmm.

'The union is not opposed to a property tax but to the idea of a flat rate charge'

*Catches straws in the wind whilst backpedalling*
*Russian state circus awaits*

Ghandee · 20-03-2012 4:06pm

alastair wrote: »

No? and yet you know better than I do about my own position?

Bent over with your head in the sand?

squod · 20-03-2012 4:07pm

Biggins wrote: »

If anyone needs explanations of various terms referred to in this thread, there is video explanations on www.contact.ie
For example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri1PFJ5vTTk

Lets just call it counterfiet. ''They'' are trying to offset this counterfeit against tracker mortgages at the minute. Banks give away their trackers and get paid in full, then Joe public pays off those mortgages with interest over time.

Easier to do it my way. Arrest people. Make them accountable, let them worry about it instead of us.

alastair · 20-03-2012 4:07pm

mikom wrote: »

*Catches straws in the wind whilst backpedalling*
*Russian state circus awaits*

Ah now - no need for bitterness in mistaking the union's position as aligned with your own.

Wild Bill · 20-03-2012 4:08pm

alastair wrote: »

Wild Bill wrote: »

You are aware this is a republic, and not a democracy

That is exactly the case now.

It was founded, however, as a democracy - a parliamentary democracy is only a legitimate form of Government if people can change policies at elections.

This proved not to be the case last year.

It is now a parliamentary democracy in the same sort of sense as those in the old Soviet Union and Eastern Europe. They actually called a lot of those "Democratic Republics"

I believe North Korea also calls itself such - of course part of the current illegitimate Regime has a bit of history when it comes to North Korea, dunnit?

Biggins · 20-03-2012 4:08pm

alastair wrote: »

Well - given you thanked the man for a post comprising entirely of freeman myths - it's hard to believe you're not a subscriber.

:pac:

I thank a person for their opposition to this "we fcuk up - you pay charge!"

alastair · 20-03-2012 4:11pm

Wild Bill wrote: »

It is now a parliamentary democracy in the same sort of sense as those in the old Soviet Union and Eastern Europe.

Exactly the same.

Except for the nuisance of a universal franchise, and the ability to run for election if you so choose.

mikom · 20-03-2012 4:13pm

alastair wrote: »

Ah now - no need for bitterness in mistaking the union's position as aligned with your own.

Yuk Yuk.
Where are the rest of the pro posters today King Kanute?

alastair · 20-03-2012 4:13pm

Biggins wrote: »

:pac:

I thank a person for their opposition to this "we fcuk up - you pay charge!"

You're easily impressed.

Biggins · 20-03-2012 4:15pm

alastair wrote: »

You're easily impressed.

No - I'm just easy!

(for the wife to have her wicked way with me)

alastair · 20-03-2012 4:16pm

mikom wrote: »

Yuk Yuk.
Where are the rest of the pro posters today King Kanute?

Apparently at some sort of secret FG briefing I'd guess - maybe I didn't get the email.

mikom · 20-03-2012 4:23pm

alastair wrote: »

Apparently at some sort of secret FG briefing I'd guess - maybe I didn't get the email.

Government mail server must be down due to the masses trying to access the Household charge site..........

Wild Bill · 20-03-2012 4:24pm

alastair wrote: »

Exactly the same.

Except for the nuisance of a universal franchise, and the ability to run for election if you so choose.

Nope. They had a universal franchise and ran elections in those places as well.

Just whoever they voted for they always got a Socialist/Communist.

And whoever we vote for we get some gombeen following the orders of his German Master.

No real difference then.

And it will end the same way

Biggins · 20-03-2012 4:25pm

The Local Government Management Agency (LGMA) said that as of lunchtime today around 286,000 properties had registered to pay the charge with 11 days left before the 31 March deadline.
The government hopes to raise €160 million through the temporary tax with it expecting that 1.6 million households will eventually register. At present, less than a fifth of households have registered.

http://www.thejournal.ie/household-charge-286000-register-to-pay-as-union-urges-boycott-390521-Mar2012/

mikom · 20-03-2012 4:28pm

Biggins wrote: »

At present, less than a fifth of households have registered.

One more time for clarity....

Registered not paid.

smash · 20-03-2012 4:28pm

Biggins wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/household-charge-286000-register-to-pay-as-union-urges-boycott-390521-Mar2012/

So 36,000 people registered today? or does that figure include those not eligible to pay?

alastair · 20-03-2012 4:31pm

Wild Bill wrote: »

Nope. They had a universal franchise and ran elections in those places as well.

Just whoever they voted for they always got a Socialist/Communist.

And whoever we vote for we get some gombeen following the orders of his German Master.

No real difference then.

Ehh no - sorry to burst your bubble. If you can't grasp the distinction between free elections and single party states, then I can't help much. You are free to vote for whomever you choose here - that's an actual franchise.

alastair · 20-03-2012 4:33pm

mikom wrote: »

One more time for clarity....

Registered not paid.

Talk about grasping at straws. What's the figure on those required to register but with waivers on payment anyway? It can't be that large.

Let me reassure you - lots and lots of people won't register in time - both those exempt from payment, and those not. Everyone (liable) will be faced with a payment demand in good time, and precious few will fight the demand.

Frank Black · 20-03-2012 4:35pm

Well that was funny!

Wild Bill appears on the thread - a fresh voice for the 'no' campaign, full of energy and enthusiasm - get's loads of thanks from fellow 'no' posters.

Then in response to a a request for a bit of clarification, he comes out with the biggest pile of 'Freeman' bollox seen outside the Conspiracy Forum.

All his thanks melt away - 'no' posters probably hastily removing thanks as we speak!

Biggins · 20-03-2012 4:35pm

mikom wrote: »

One more time for clarity....

Registered not paid.

Indeed.

...Which, let be honest, makes the governments screw-up even worse!

dvpower · 20-03-2012 4:37pm

mikom wrote: »

One more time for clarity....

Registered not paid.

'Registered to pay' was how it was reported

smash wrote: »

So 36,000 people registered today? or does that figure include those not eligible to pay?

I thought the last figured were released last Friday (could be wrong) - if so, that would make it 36,000 over the weekend and this morning.

Bruthal · 20-03-2012 4:37pm

mikom wrote: »

Yuk Yuk.
Where are the rest of the pro posters today King Kanute?

They are going around exempt estates asking the residents to register.

smash · 20-03-2012 4:40pm

dvpower wrote: »

I thought the last figured were released last Friday (could be wrong) - if so, that would make it 36,000 over the weekend and this morning.

Don't know. I just heard on TodayFM this morning that the figure was 250,000.

mikom · 20-03-2012 4:40pm

robbie7730 wrote: »

They are going around exempt estates asking the residents to register.

They were at it in the unfinished estate in my nearby village as well.
fucking smell of "want" off them when you opened the door would knock ya, according to my local mechanic.

Biggins · 20-03-2012 4:42pm

dvpower wrote: »

'Registered to pay' was how it was reported

I thought the last figured were released last Friday (could be wrong) - if so, that would make it 36,000 over the weekend and this morning.

I think the point is that since this charge was payable by whatever means, since that first date to be able to do so, out of 1.6 million - even to date only 286,000 properties had registered to pay (or not - debatable).

By any terms, so low a percentage actually refusing to register, four out of five(?) means its a 'balls-up' by the state.
End of story.

Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

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