"The Origin of Specious Nonsense"

cowzerp · 19-03-2012 12:00PM

dead one wrote: »

Why would i support a cause (evolution) which creates people like cowzerp... A cause, which brain wash people, which makes people to utter thing which they even don't know.

Dear cowzerp
Faith should be based on knowledge..... See how blind are you about me..;).

HA HA

i totally agree faith should be based on Knowledge, and not the word of some man who claims to be a prophet-thats arrogance

Wheter you support it or not is irrelevant-it's not a football team, that does not change the fact it has proof of it's existence unlike any god wheter it be Allah, God or whatever.

you stick to your unproven beliefs and i'll stick to proven science, i won't be wasting my life praying to a god that is not their, and if they are there they're the most arrogant thing ever, putting 7 billion people on the earth who's purpose is to worship him!!!!!

dead one · 19-03-2012 12:09PM

Sarky wrote: »

So did you find a quran quote to justify software piracy yet? Or is there a certain amount of hypocrisy Mo-mo and Allah are willing to let slide?

software piracy, i have seen real pain in that thread...Pain of waiting... Pain of wasting money for selfish desires... Isn't it hypocrisy.... See, for example, i support a thing but the same thing is creating difficulty for me, That is real hypocrisy.... I hope, sarky you would get the clue...

cowzerp · 19-03-2012 12:15PM

dead one wrote: »

for example, i support a thing but the same thing is creating difficulty for me, That is real hypocrisy....

So your a self confessed Hypocrite.

No wonder you would not support Evolution even if you believed the facts.

Sarky · 19-03-2012 12:15PM

Yes or no, dead one? It's a very simple question.

dead one · 19-03-2012 12:24PM

cowzerp wrote: »

So your a self confessed Hypocrite.

No wonder you would not support Evolution even if you believed the facts.

Sarky wrote: »

Yes or no, dead one? It's a very simple question.

Yes.... but my hypocrisy has got nothing to do with quran... because quran doesn't support such act..... Now, what do you think .... Quran is good or bad

..... See, If follow Quran i have to follow software piracy.... Now tell what is wrong, the users (dead one) or guider (quran)... Will you accuse quran from my crimes... This is also my way to make other people understand.

dead one · 19-03-2012 12:28PM

cowzerp wrote: »

HA HA

i totally agree faith should be based on Knowledge, and not the word of some man who claims to be a prophet-thats arrogance

So why were you blind about me...

cowzerp wrote: »

Wheter you support it or not is irrelevant-it's not a football team, that does not change the fact it has proof of it's existence unlike any god wheter it be Allah, God or whatever.

If an american says that Irish football team has played well against the american football team.... That is real support.... If foreigner praise you, that's real praise, dear cowzerp

See, i have desire to support evolution but you rough attitude comes in the ways... How could I or any other person support evolution as fact.

Delirium · 19-03-2012 12:30PM

dead one wrote: »

You see koth

Koth,The person doesn't know me... He even doesn't know, the world isn't 10000 years in my beliefs or book.... See their is prejudice in his mind... Their is bias in his mind. Why would i support a cause (evolution) which creates people like cowzerp... A cause, which brain wash people, which makes people to utter thing which they even don't know.

well you should read what JC has been posting, because you said that you have chosen to agree with him. And he said that the world is only a few thousand years old. So either you choose to side with him, and as a side-effect agree that world is only a few thousand years old. Or you don't agree with him, and therefore need to rethink your choice.

this is why it's usually a good idea to read up on what you're agreeing to before you decide to agree with someone.

cowzerp · 19-03-2012 12:39PM

dead one wrote: »

Why would i support a cause (evolution) which creates people like cowzerp... A cause, which brain wash people, which makes people to utter thing which they even don't know.

Nobody brain washed me, i simply work off logic and not magical Books that don't have any proof that the magic in them exists.

Also nobody profits or gains from me believing in Evolution, i don't go to Evolution meetings handing over money to support it-Science shows it is fact so i can't argue with proven facts, if science proves god/allah exists i will equally agree with that, untill then! Religion is the brain washing tool-that you start getting brain washed from birth.

No coincidence most Irish are catholics, British Pritestants etc
brain washing from birth.

dead one · 19-03-2012 12:50PM

koth wrote: »

well you should read what JC has been posting, because you said that you have chosen to agree with him. And he said that the world is only a few thousand years old. So either you choose to side with him, and as a side-effect agree that world is only a few thousand years old. Or you don't agree with him, and therefore need to rethink your choice

this is why it's usually a good idea to read up on what you're agreeing to before you decide to agree with someone.

This is simple, Suppose i go to watch a football match.... There are two teams present... Brazil and Spain.... I don't belong to any of these countries... Suppose i am foreigner........ I support Brazilian team against the Spanish team... You can take my support in this sense... My support for Brazilian team doesn't make me Brazilian.... You are two teams.... evolutionist and creationist.... I don't consider myself creationist and evolutionist ... I am forced to choose creationist... because the player (JC) is playing well.... while the player of (evolutionist, sarky, dolpnep, ) are not playing well. They are attacking the spectator..:;)

dead one · 19-03-2012 12:53PM

cowzerp wrote: »

Nobody brain washed me, i simply work off logic and not magical Books that don't have any proof that the magic in them exists.
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Then why were you wrong about me... Why you measured me with same ruler

Delirium · 19-03-2012 12:54PM

that's what I said, you support creationism. that means you support an idea that conflicts with your idea with regards to the age of the planet.Your motives for choosing creationism just show how it's totally lacking any critical thought.

cowzerp · 19-03-2012 12:55PM

dead one wrote: »

This is simple, Suppose i go to watch a football match.... There are two teams present... Brazil and Spain.... I don't belong to any of these countries... Suppose i am foreigner........ I support Brazilian team against the Spanish team... You can take my support in this sense... My support for Brazilian team doesn't make me Brazilian.... You are two teams.... evolutionist and creationist....;)

So if i go to a game and Liverpool are playing Man utd but Man utd are not on the pitch and they are not doing anything, but half the fans believe they are there, should i enjoy the match?

Sarky · 19-03-2012 12:55PM

And then you get arrested because you decided paying money for a ticket like most law abiding moral people was against Allah's will.

cowzerp · 19-03-2012 12:57PM

dead one wrote: »

Then why were you wrong about me... Why you measured me with same ruler

How am i wrong about you? are you still going on about me saying the earth is not less than 10,000 years old-you have said you support JC and thats what his opinion is-Or am i missing something?!

dlofnep · 19-03-2012 02:30PM

J C wrote: »

... I can't speak for you ... but there are no Apes in my family!!!:)

Only child were you? Probably explains why you believe in an invisible man. Invisible friends are very common in lone children.

J C wrote: »

... not too good (no sinful Human is really good this side of eternity) ... I'm just too different to be classified as an Ape.

And yet - more alike a chimp biologically than an Orangutan is. You're not too different to be an ape, it is a fact that you are an ape.

J C wrote: »

It all depends on what sequence you choose to examine ... but in any event I don't expect to see a Chimp ... or a Gorilla driving to work ... or debating the merits of evolution anytime soon!!!:)

Nor would you expect to find them do that. Evolution makes no such statements, so I'm unsure why you continually bring up such absurd strawmen.

J C wrote: »

I present scientific, philosophical, logical ... and Biblical evidence.
... and I have yet to see a single piece of scientific evidence that unabiguously supports W2M Evolution.

No, you haven't I'm afraid. There has been ample support of Evolution in this thread. If you don't see it, then it's because you have consciously decided to ignore it. That's ignorance on your behalf, not lack of evidence for Evolution.

Monty Burnz · 19-03-2012 03:03PM

dlofnep wrote: »

Evolution makes no such statements, so I'm unsure why you continually bring up such absurd strawmen.

I think we all know why he has to rely on absurd strawmen...

J C · 19-03-2012 09:45PM

dlofnep wrote: »

Only child were you? Probably explains why you believe in an invisible man. Invisible friends are very common in lone children.

As is so happens I'm not an only child ... so you are drawing on your fertile Evolutionist imagination again!!!

dlofnep wrote: »

And yet - more alike a chimp biologically than an Orangutan is. You're not too different to be an ape, it is a fact that you are an ape.

... so just because you're more like an Elephant biologically than a Crocodile ... does this make you an Elephant???:eek:

wrote:

Originally Posted by J C
It all depends on what sequence you choose to examine ... but in any event I don't expect to see a Chimp ... or a Gorilla driving to work ... or debating the merits of evolution anytime soon!!!

dlofnep
Nor would you expect to find them do that. Evolution makes no such statements, so I'm unsure why you continually bring up such absurd strawmen.

Your saying that we're all Apes ... and I'm proving that we are radically different with an enormous (and un-bridgeable) qualitative gap between Mankind and any other creature in God's Creation, including Apes.

dlofnep wrote: »

No, you haven't I'm afraid. There has been ample support of Evolution in this thread. If you don't see it, then it's because you have consciously decided to ignore it. That's ignorance on your behalf, not lack of evidence for Evolution.

There is plenty of 'support' for Evolution from the Evolutionists on this thread ... but no evidence!!!

shizz · 19-03-2012 10:12PM

J C wrote: »

There is plenty of 'support' for Evolution from the Evolutionists on this thread ... but no evidence!!!

Oh you missed it? Start from page 1.

Barr125 · 19-03-2012 11:27PM

koth wrote: »

and yet you can't provide a simple definition of what it is and how it's detected/measured so we can see if it holds up to scrutiny.

I think he means this koth CFSI

Just a note, I'm not in anyway promoting JC's ramblings, just sourcing what he is trying (very badly) to explain.

J C · 19-03-2012 11:36PM

dead one wrote: »

JC you're straight forwarded person. I like it.... If i were you, i would act like like evolutionists in this foram. I would go in state of denial. I would try to deny reality. You're fighting with ignorance and arrogance. People like dlofnep etc are doing great job against evolution... They are creating harted in mind of common folk against evolution.... Their way of presenting evolution as fact is so rough and arrogant that i don't think that common would take it as fact.... Even if it were fact... ..... See i am neutral person, I find evolutionist arrogant and they are going against reality... So i would like take your side as there is no arrogance in your quotes. Your quotes reflect reality in netural and free of bias mind

Thanks for the kind comments, dead one.
I have found that the more people know ... the more humble they become ... at the awesomeness of everything.

dead one wrote: »

What do you think evolutionist in the foram. Why are they going against reality. I mean what is difference, when you were evolutionist and their career as evolutionist. Do you think ignorance is stubborn.

I think that they are frightened ... that the bottom is about to fall out of their worldview.
Unlike Theists they have no 'Plan B' ... as Materialistic Evolution and Abiogenesis is the only origins 'game in town' for them.
Theists can move between Divine Creation and Theistic Evolution ... and a myriad of other possible 'origns' ideas.

I can therefore empathise with them ... even when they are angry with me.

shizz · 19-03-2012 11:52PM

J C wrote: »

I think that they are frightened ... that the bottom is about to fall out of their worldview.
Unlike Theists they have no 'Plan B' ... as Materialistic Evolution and Abiogenesis is the only origins 'game in town' for them.
Theists can move between Divine Creation and Theistic Evolution ... and a myriad of other possible 'origns' ideas.

The fact that you can move between these 'Origin' ideas as you like just shows how little evidence there is for any of them. Because if any proper scientific study was done into them by Creationists they would either realise that they are all ridiculous, or in the unlikely even that there was an alarming amount of evidence for one of the theories, they would follow that one and not sweep between a myriad of 'Origin ideas'.

There can't be an equal amount of evidence in favour for all of them if they are drastically different ideas on origin.

Barr125 · 19-03-2012 11:59PM

J C wrote: »

I have found that the more people know ... the more humble they become ... at the awesomeness of everything.

I think that they are frightened ... that the bottom is about to fall out of their worldview.
Unlike Theists they have no 'Plan B' ... as Materialistic Evolution and Abiogenesis is the only origins 'game in town' for them.
Theists can move between Divine Creation and Theistic Evolution ... and a myriad of other possible 'origns' ideas.

I can therefore empathise with them ... even when they are angry with me.

You must not be very humble then JC.

I'm not frightened. If anything, I'm relieved. It allows me to live my life more, as we only have one shot at life, and I intend to do anything and everything to make it the best.
Why should there be a ''Plan B''? What's wrong with ''Plan A''? Why should there be more than one explanation? And actually....;
The Neutral Theory of Evolution

And we're not angry, we're just tired. Tired of you ignoring the facts that have been repeatedly given to you everytime you ask for them and then claim that no one has given them to you.

J C · 20-03-2012 12:00AM

koth wrote: »

well you should read what JC has been posting, because you said that you have chosen to agree with him. And he said that the world is only a few thousand years old. So either you choose to side with him, and as a side-effect agree that world is only a few thousand years old. Or you don't agree with him, and therefore need to rethink your choice.

this is why it's usually a good idea to read up on what you're agreeing to before you decide to agree with someone.

People can agree with some things that other people believe ... and they can disagree about other things ... that is normal civilised behaviour.
dead one is obviously a very civilised person who agrees to differ with me on some things ... and me with him ...
... and we respect each other even though we don't share every belief that we hold.
... I know some brilliant Creation Scientists who are Muslim ... and of course, they don't share my faith ... but so what!!!!
... they are quite entitled to believe what they like ... and I respect them all and deeply value their friendship.
... you guys should try this some time.:)

... try respecting dead one and me , for example.

Delirium · 20-03-2012 12:08AM

the problem is dead one doesn't necessarily agree with anything you've said. at the minute, it's a purely symbolic show of support.

J C · 20-03-2012 12:15AM

shizz wrote: »

The fact that you can move between these 'Origin' ideas as you like just shows how little evidence there is for any of them. Because if any proper scientific study was done into them by Creationists they would either realise that they are all ridiculous, or in the unlikely even that there was an alarming amount of evidence for one of the theories, they would follow that one and not sweep between a myriad of 'Origin ideas'.

There can't be an equal amount of evidence in favour for all of them if they are drastically different ideas on origin.

There are many 'origins' beliefs ... but Intelliegent Creation has the scientific and logical 'edge' on all other origins beliefs.
Who the Creator(s) was/were is an open question ... but the fact that life was intelligently created is beyond all reasonable doubt.

Delirium · 20-03-2012 12:31AM

J C wrote: »

There are many 'origins' beliefs ... but Intelliegent Creation has the scientific and logical 'edge' on all other origins beliefs.
Who the Creator(s) was/were is an open question ... but the fact that life was intelligently created is beyond all reasonable doubt.

I look forward to your presentation of scientific evidence that proves beyond reasonable doubt that creationism is true.

Sarky · 20-03-2012 12:38AM

Still no mathematically sound definition of cfsi.

At this stage we can all assume you just don't have one, and that your silence on the matter is an explicit and unreserved apology for wasting so much time with bluster and insubstantial, vague hand-waving on the topic. You said you read every post, so obviously you'll have no trouble with this as it was part of the challenging I issued. I even gave you a second chance and a generous time limit both times, so it's not like you were put on the spot.

I hope it's safe to assume you won't be so foolish in future.

Show's over folks, J C has admitted defeat and apologised.

J C · 20-03-2012 12:46AM

Sarky wrote: »

Show's over folks, J C has admitted defeat and apologised.

... in your dreams!!!:)

Sarky · 20-03-2012 12:52AM

J C wrote: »

Sarky wrote: »

Show's over folks, J C has admitted defeat and apologised.

... in your dreams!!!:)

I have better things to dream about. You failed a challenge to back up cfsi. Then you failed it again. I gave you multiple chances and a generous time limit, and you still failed. It should have been easy for you, if such evidence existed as you always claim it does. And yet, here you are empty handed. You failed. You forfeit. Forfeit was admitting failure and an apology.

Deal with it.

POINTBREAK · 20-03-2012 01:21AM

You Guys ever get that uneasy feeling that it might be wrong to constantly poke the mentally ill with a stick, even if they do seem to like it?

"The Origin of Specious Nonsense"

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