"The Origin of Specious Nonsense"

sephir0th

J C wrote: »

Life is too short to wade into those long posts of oldrnwsr ...

All your ranting and raving about respect and then you go show utter disrespect to someone who has invested time and effort into providing solid argument for evolution.

You cry and moan over and over about how nobody has 'W2M' evidence. oldrnwisr gets the debate started and then you just ignore it? You have been let off the hook for soapboxing for this long, but I think it's time you were banned. You are a complete joke.

J C

koth wrote: »

I've bolded the damning part of the quote above. Don't ever claim that you treat posters with respect on this thread again. You've boldly stated that you just didn't bother with a post that had a lot of time, thought and effort put into it. It's incredibly disrespectful to oldrnwsr to state that you didn't read his post.

Do you ignore all posts? You owe one poster, and probably more, a massive apology for the disrespectful way you've not responded to the post(s).

As it so happens I did read his posts ... and I have responded with my views ... what more do you want????
... and where does it say that everybody on the thread has to read everybodies posts???

... and I respect oldrnwsr ... its just I've seen it all before.

koth wrote: »

No it's not. It's an excellent display of how evolution occurs through history to get us to modern man.

CFSI has nothing to do with evolution, or science for that matter. It remains an undefined property that allegedly bolsters the argument for creationism.


The quote above speaks for itself with the glaring ignorance of evolution.

Afraid not. It's clearly a post that is beyond your comprehension, but don't despair, JC. If you crack open a few books you may one day get to grips with the basics.

and btw, don't forget to apologise to the posters that you disrespected. It's the adult thing to do.

I haven't disrespected anybody ... I love you all (in a purely Christian way) ... despite the terrible things ye say about me and my fellow Creationists.

Delirium

J C wrote: »

As it so happens I did read his posts ... and I have responded with my views ... what more do you want????
... and where does it say that everybody on the thread has to read everybodies posts???

There's no such rule to read every post. But as you've been so vocal about the lack of evidence for evolution, don't be surprised if people aren't impressed when you ignore posts that show you're talking nonsense.

As long as you either ignore posts or lie about evidence being absent from the thread, you can expect people to point you to any posts that show evidence for evolution.

... and I respect oldrnwsr ... its just I've seen it all before.

If you respect oldrnwsr, you would have taken some time to put together a well thought out post countering his. Instead we get, "life's too short, I didn't bother".

I haven't disrespected anybody ... I love you all (in a purely Christian way) ... despite the terrible things ye say about me and my fellow Creationists.

Yes you have disrespected people, by continually repeating things that are incorrect and have been shown to be so on this very thread. If people don't temper their posts with regards to creationists, it's probably because a lot of people aren't fans of people who put great efforts into trying to destroy science by injecting their holy texts into the texts.

Sarky

Religion has nothing to do with it. I just hate bad science and lies. And J C's attempts are easily the worst I've seen since I sneaked a peek at some childrens' exams my flatmate was correcting.

J C

Bannasidhe wrote: »

No, I am referring to the fact that most of them are professional re-enactors who specialise in Vikings, Gaelic Irish and Crusaders - so by swords I mean swords. Bloody great big swords. And axes. And halberds.

Awesome!!!:)

J C

koth wrote: »

There's no such rule to read every post. But as you've been so vocal about the lack of evidence for evolution, don't be surprised if people aren't impressed when you ignore posts that show you're talking nonsense.

As long as you either ignore posts or lie about evidence being absent from the thread, you can expect people to point you to any posts that show evidence for evolution.

If you respect oldrnwsr, you would have taken some time to put together a well thought out post countering his. Instead we get, "life's too short, I didn't bother".

I did intend to answer oldrnwsr's posts in detail ... but I'm fed up with the continuous agression and disrespect shown to me and other Creationists by other posters.
... and the lies about me lying.
... and all the ad hominem stuff.

If you guys debate with me in a civil manner ... and treat me with respect I will reply in detail to oldrnwsr's substantive ... and interesting posts.
This thread is like a boxing match between two heavyweight champions (myself and oldrnwsr) ... and even before I reach the ring I get spat upon and hit with baseball bats ... and when I get into the ring half the crowd, along with the referee, jumps into the ring and start hanging out of me ... and throwing punches at me.

... and then ye expect me to continue with the boxing match ... and ye accuse me of showing oldrnwsr 'disrespect' when I walk out of the ring in protest!!!:(

Sarky

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw.

Don't even try to play the victim card again. You're the one who has AT SEVERAL TIMES in the past compared us to Nazi Holocaust enablers when we had the audacity to disagree with you.

So are you going to afford oldrnwisr's posts the respect they deserve? Not to mention the posts of everybody else you've dismissed with crappy one-liners instead of evidence?

J C

Sarky wrote: »

Religion has nothing to do with it. I just hate bad science and lies. And J C's attempts are easily the worst I've seen since I sneaked a peek at some childrens' exams my flatmate was correcting.

We have two different religions ... but that doesn't mean that we can't love each other ... and treat each other with respect ... the respect due to each of us because of our common Humanity ... if nothing else!!!

... ye guys don't think that Creation has any merit ... and I believe that M2M Evolution isn't scientifically valid ... but so what ???
... that shouldn't meant we can't be friends!!!:)

It would be a very boring world ... if everyone thought the same about everything.

Sarky

It's the part where you misrepresent and lie that means nobody will be your friend.

Also the part where you believe really stupid things, but mostly the first one.

J C

Sarky wrote: »

It's the part where you misrepresent and lie that means nobody will be your friend.

Also the part where you believe really stupid things, but mostly the first one.

I have plenty of friends ... who are both evolutionists and Creationists ... and we laugh at all the Evolution and Creation jokes together!!!

... but we don't accuse each other of being liars ... because none of us are liars.

... you seem to be confusing different opinions with lying
... and you are confusing arguments based on other people's opinions with misrepresentation.

Delirium

J C wrote: »

I did intend to answer oldrnwsr's posts in detail ... but I'm fed up with the continuous agression and disrespect shown to me and other Creationists by other posters.

you dug your own hole, JC. No use crying about it when you get pulled up on your behaviour on this thread.

If you guys debate with me in a civil manner ... and treat me with respect I will reply in detail to oldrnwsr's substantive ... and interesting posts.

you totally ignored the post, and now that it's been brought to light you claim you were going to address it. even though you dismissed it saying life is too short to go through the post. it's exactly this sort of double-speak that has done you no favours on this thread. respect is a two-way street, and you've received more than I expected considering how you've ignored so many posts on this thread. what it looks like now is a ham-fisted attempt at damage control by yourself.

This thread is like a boxing match between two heavyweight champions (myself and oldrnwsr) ... and even before I reach the ring I get spat upon and hit with baseball bats ... and when I get into the ring half the crowd, along with the referee, jumps into the ring and start hanging out of me ... and throwing punches at me.

save your tears for someone who cares. you nailed your colours to the creationist mast. you've been more than willing to boast that you could handle all the posters that supported evolution on your own. you even went so far as to say none could defeat you. You can't have it both ways, JC.

... and then ye expect me to continue with the boxing match ... and ye accuse me of showing oldrnwsr 'disrespect' when I walk out of the ring in protest!!!:(

you did show disrepect. i even quoted you in a previous post to back up the accusation. and now you're getting all teary eyed. Admit your mistake, apologise, and try engage in an adult discussion in this thread, Or you can sulk.

the ball is in your court, JC.

J C

Sarky wrote: »

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw.

Don't even try to play the victim card again. You're the one who has AT SEVERAL TIMES in the past compared us to Nazi Holocaust enablers when we had the audacity to disagree with you.

I have no problem whatsoever when you disagree with me ... it's when ye resort to personal insult and outright hostility and lies about me that I draw the line.

Sarky wrote: »

So are you going to afford oldrnwisr's posts the respect they deserve? Not to mention the posts of everybody else you've dismissed with crappy one-liners instead of evidence?

I respect every person ... but you guys haven't reciprocated ... so I have had to beat ye at your own game!!!!:);)

J C

koth wrote: »

you dug your own hole, JC. No use crying about it when you get pulled up on your behaviour on this thread.

I'm not crying ... I'm just pointing out how wrong ye guys are ... about me ... Evolution ... and Creation!!!!:)

koth wrote: »

you totally ignored the post, and now that it's been brought to light you claim you were going to address it. even though you dismissed it saying life is too short to go through the post. it's exactly this sort of double-speak that has done you no favours on this thread. respect is a two-way street, and you've received more than I expected considering how you've ignored so many posts on this thread. what it looks like now is a ham-fisted attempt at damage control by yourself.

save your tears for someone who cares. you nailed your colours to the creationist mast. you've been more than willing to boast that you could handle all the posters that supported evolution on your own. you even went so far as to say none could defeat you. You can't have it both ways, JC.

... and nobody has defeated me!!!
... and ye are the guys whinging that I haven't looked at and/or answered your posts !!!!:eek::)

... but enogh of this ... I want to know more about these sword weilding, axe flinging and halberd swinging witches from out of the West !!!!:eek:

Sarky

Life's too short to hear about witches. Deal with oldrnwisr's posts. He's made a compelling case for evolution, and the fact that you are refusing to engage him only shows that you are scared of admitting that you don't have anything you can bring to bear against his posts.

Either show us evidence that he's wrong, or admit you have nothing.

Lucy8080

sarky,

can you break down the scientific evidence that made you conclude nobody will be j,c, s friend. its just proof for that statement im looking for. we know u wont lie.

thanks.

Sarky

1. It has been shown multiple times in this thread that almost everything J C says is untrue, occasionally because he doesn't know what he's talking about, but mostly because he alternates between misrepresenting the truth and outright lying. Not to mention the constant inability to counter any points made by such learned individuals as oldrnwisr.

2. Friends react poorly to constant lies and non-joking accusations of being Nazi sympathisers. These are things that cause friends to stop being friends.

3. Friendship requires trust, honesty, a certain amount of respect between individuals. Such qualities in a person make them good friendship material.

4. J C does all of the things in 2. He displays none of the qualities from 3.

5. The last logical step is left as an exercise to the reader.

Lucy8080

sarky,
a very unscientific answer there. it could be said you're hiding from the question.

whats ur scientific proof nobody will be j.c.s friend.

its not so hard.

robindch

J C wrote: »

Life is too short to wade into those long posts of oldrnwsr [...]

If somebody had written around a 2,000 word essay for somebody else's sole benefit, the very least that that person could have said is "thanks". Or if not that, at least to move one's hand the half inch required to click on the "thanks" button. And if that was too much trouble, at least they might have avoided saying they didn't even bother reading it.

As an example of the forlorn lack of interest in reality that props up creationism, that attitude is simply unbeatable.

.

Lucy8080

thats very unfair robin,

j.c. has outweighed every poster on this thread for replies and acknowledement.

oldrnwsr v j.c . may need another thread.

i think your attitude is off on the above.

robindch

Lucy8080 wrote: »

j.c. has outweighed every poster on this thread [...]

I've heard more convincing posters argue that the moon is made of green cheese.

Lucy8080

ah now robin...you cut that quote short for the divilment dats init,( happy paddys day all)

your personal opinion on the validity of j.c.s arguments are your entitlement.

it may be worthwhile putting j.c. up against oldrnwsr...if only because one guy cant reply to all here.

choose your champion. and give both a fair crack without interference.

i like both...j.c. is patient under duress...and old is knowledgeable.

we can all learn.

Barr125

Sarky wrote: »

1. It has been shown multiple times in this thread that almost everything J C says is untrue, occasionally because he doesn't know what he's talking about, but mostly because he alternates between misrepresenting the truth and outright lying. Not to mention the constant inability to counter any points made by such learned individuals as oldrnwisr.

2. Friends react poorly to constant lies and non-joking accusations of being Nazi sympathisers. These are things that cause friends to stop being friends.

3. Friendship requires trust, honesty, a certain amount of respect between individuals. Such qualities in a person make them good friendship material.

4. J C does all of the things in 2. He displays none of the qualities from 3.

5. The last logical step is left as an exercise to the reader.

Lucy8080 wrote: »

sarky,
a very unscientific answer there. it could be said you're hiding from the question.

whats ur scientific proof nobody will be j.c.s friend.

its not so hard.

Actually, that's a very scientific answer. Sarky analysed the evidence, both of JC and how people react in the real world, and even left the answer open for the viewer to come to their own conclusion, instead of just shoving it in their face.

robindch

Lucy8080 wrote: »

it may be worthwhile putting j.c. up against oldrnwsr...

Why bother? JC has said that life was too short to read oldrnwsr's excellent, clear and informative posts.

Lucy8080 wrote: »

we can all learn.

JC hasn't apparently been able to retain so much as a single fact since he began posting on boards in 2005 on the topic of creationism. I'm inclined to believe at this point, and with the support of thousands of posts and against my better hopes for mankind in general, that JC is fully incapable of learning.

Lucy8080 wrote: »

your personal opinion on the validity of j.c.s arguments are your entitlement.

As is your belief that effectively saying "I couldn't be bothered even reading your reply to my question" is a nice thing to say to somebody who clearly put in a lot of time and effort into composing a first-class reply. It's simply not a nice thing to do.

Lucy8080 wrote: »

happy paddys day all

And a happy religion-free Paddy's day to you too

J C

robindch wrote: »

If somebody had written around a 2,000 word essay for somebody else's sole benefit, the very least that that person could have said is "thanks". Or if not that, at least to move one's hand the half inch required to click on the "thanks" button. And if that was too much trouble, at least they might have avoided saying they didn't even bother reading it.

As an example of the forlorn lack of interest in reality that props up creationism, that attitude is simply unbeatable.

I did say oldrnwsr posts were substantive ... and interesting.
I did say that I respected oldrnwsr ... and if I didn't say thanks ... I'm now doing so ... which is more than oldrnwsr has ever said or done about any of my posts.

... and when it come to thanks ... I have noted that not even once has a post of mine ever been thanked by any of my 'hard line' opponents on this thread.

I know the ye will say that none of my posts deserved thanks ... blah ... de ... blah...
... but surely one post at some time made you stop and think ... or even smile ... ye claim to be open-minded, always considering the evidence ... and always ready to abandon Evolution should something better come along ... and yet ye just 'jump on' me ... or anybody else, like dead one ... who isn't even a Creationist ... but has the temerity to question the 'sacred cow' of (any aspect of) Evolution.

In fairness to Evolutionists, in general, I find them to be deep-thinking courteous people ... who admit that Evolution isn't all that it's cracked up to be ... and are willing to listen, to question ... and to make their own points in favour of Evolution in a courteous manner.
... something that is considerably rarer on this thread.

... and before I forget ... Happy St Patrick's Day to you all.:)

... and may the road rise with ye ... and the Good Lord take a liking to ye ... but not too soon!!!:)

dlofnep

Look J C - You're simply not mature enough, or intellectually honest enough to engage in this discussion. You routinely make claims and ask stupid questions, and when someone goes to the trouble of writing a clear and concise post to address your questions - you skip over it. It is ignorance of the highest order.

You're not interested in learning about anything here. All you're interested in is defending the bible, irrespective of how wrong it is. You may or may not acknowledged the lengths at which you have to go to to be deceitful and disingenuous with your posts - taking quotes out of context, or blatantly ignoring insightful responses - But we've acknowledged it. If that's what it has to take for you to try re-assure yourself of the biblical world view, then go for it - but you'll never really have the same conviction in your posts that we have because you know that what you are saying is nonsense. Deep down inside, you know it.

The majority of the people in this thread know it. You own oldrnwisr an apology, for having him write up that post only for you to ignore it.

J C

robindch wrote: »

Why bother? JC has said that life was too short to read oldrnwsr's excellent, clear and informative posts.

I didn't say that I didn't read the posts ... I said that I wouldn't 'wade into' the posts i.e. reply to them.
... and the reason is that I'm fed up being continuously called a liar ... especially when ye have no substantive answer to the points that I am making ... there is only so much dismissive untrue hand waving ad hominisms that anybody will put up with!!!
... ye would test the patience of a Saint ... even St Patrick !!!!

robindch wrote: »

JC hasn't apparently been able to retain so much as a single fact since he began posting on boards in 2005 on the topic of creationism. I'm inclined to believe at this point, and with the support of thousands of posts and against my better hopes for mankind in general, that JC is fully incapable of learning.

Why do you say such patently absurd things about me ... of course I'm capable of learning ... just like everybody else is ... you do your case no good with such sweeping, clearly false statements.
What I will admit is that I haven't seen anything on this thread to make me change my considered opinion that W2M Evolution is scientifically valid ... but I'm still searching with an open mind!!!:)

robindch wrote: »

As is your belief that effectively saying "I couldn't be bothered even reading your reply to my question" is a nice thing to say to somebody who clearly put in a lot of time and effort into composing a first-class reply. It's simply not a nice thing to do.

Stop putting words in my mouth ... I said nothing of the kind ... I have read all posts ... which I'll bet not a single other person had done on this thread!!!

robindch wrote: »

And a happy religion-free Paddy's day to you too

It's actually St Patricks Day ... a Christian Festival Day ... so by what bizzarre reasoning do you expect/want it to be 'religion free'???
I have no problem with people of all religions and none joining in the fun!!!
... I have no problem with it having secular and non-religious dimensions ... but surely it's the height of arrogance and religious intolerance to start campaigning for it to be a religion free day ... especially in view of the day that it is.
St Patrick's day is primarily the day when Irish Christians celebrate the coming of Christianity to Ireland ... you're very welcome to join in, if you want.
You're even very welcome to express your Atheism, or any other religio-cultural beliefs that you may have, when joining in, if you want ... but you're not entitled to turn an essentially Christian festival on its head ... and to hi-jack it, by banning any public religious dimension to it.
Pease rememember that tolerance and inclusivity work both ways ... and they include tolerance and inclusivity for Christians and Creationsists and their beliefs ... as well as Atheists and Evolutionists and their beliefs!!!

J C

dlofnep wrote: »

Look J C - You're simply not mature enough, or intellectually honest enough to engage in this discussion. You routinely make claims and ask stupid questions, and when someone goes to the trouble of writing a clear and concise post to address your questions - you skip over it. It is ignorance of the highest order.

You're not interested in learning about anything here. All you're interested in is defending the bible, irrespective of how wrong it is. You may or may not acknowledged the lengths at which you have to go to to be deceitful and disingenuous with your posts - taking quotes out of context, or blatantly ignoring insightful responses - But we've acknowledged it. If that's what it has to take for you to try re-assure yourself of the biblical world view, then go for it - but you'll never really have the same conviction in your posts that we have because you know that what you are saying is nonsense. Deep down inside, you know it.

The majority of the people in this thread know it. You own oldrnwisr an apology, for having him write up that post only for you to ignore it.

Please stop the Ad Hominem whinging!!!:eek:
... it doesn't become you ... or add one iota to your case for Evolution!!!
I owe nobody an apology ... allthough I believe that I am owed an apolgy by a few people on this thread for all of the personal invective that they direct against me ... and the unfounded caricatures that they try to create around me.:(
... but I' not hanging around whinging about not getting such apologies!!!

Delirium

J C wrote: »

I did say oldrnwsr posts were substantive ... and interesting.
I did say that I respected oldrnwsr ... and if I didn't say thanks ... I'm now doing so ... which is more than oldrnwsr has ever said or done about any of my posts.

maybe you should raise your standard of posts to that of oldrnwrs then. maybe people would be more receptive then

... and when it come to thanks ... I have noted that not even once has a post of mine ever been thanked by any of my 'hard line' opponents on this thread.

I know the ye will say that none of my posts deserved thanks ... blah ... de ... blah...
... but surely one post at some time made you stop and think ... or even smile ... ye claim to be open-minded, always considering the evidence ... and always ready to abandon Evolution should something better come along ... and yet ye just 'jump on' me ... or anybody else, like dead one ... who isn't even a Creationist ... but has the temerity to question the 'sacred cow' of (any aspect of) Evolution.

In fairness to Evolutionists, in general, I find them to be deep-thinking courteous people ... who admit that Evolution isn't all that it's cracked up to be ... and are willing to listen, to question ... and to make their own points in favour of Evolution in a courteous manner.
... something that is considerably rarer on this thread.

you have been thanked on this thread. and people have been plenty courteous to you, sadly the same can't be said of you. it's discourteous to state that you won't waste your time on well thought out posts if the are too long.

... and before I forget ... Happy St Patrick's Day to you all.:)

... and may the road rise with ye ... and the Good Lord take a liking to ye ... but not too soon!!!:)

hope you have an excellent Paddys day, JC:)

Sarky

So we can expect a full apology from you today, then? Or are you going to keep to your standard method of ignoring all evidence posted in favour of cheap insults and blatant ignorance and disrespect?

I've apologised about twice before in this thread for getting something wrong. Others have also done as much. If you'd read every post like you claim you'd know that, so there's another lie from you. You don't get many apologies because for the most part the people you whine about are not wrong. Your posts don't get much respect because they're riddled with untruths and ignorance which you repeat rather than correct when we show you the flaws. All you have ever managed to do with these tactics is convince everyone who reads this thread that you're a crackpot willing to stoop to any depth in order to ignore the evidence.

In short, J C, you'll get respect when you post something that DESERVES it. Your efforts so far are far too poor to warrant it. Try new points that haven't been shot down a decade ago. Try using full quotes instead of dishonest selections out of context. Try actually discussing the posts you keep running scared from. Try admitting you don't have an answer when it's plain you don't. Back up your claims instead of the shameful deceit and evasion you've employed every single time so far.

It can't seriously be that hard, can it?

J C

Sarky wrote: »

So we can expect a full apology from you today, then? Or are you going to keep to your standard method of ignoring all evidence posted in favour of cheap insults and blatant ignorance and disrespect?

The cheap insults and blatant ignorance and disrespect are all on the Evolutionist side of this debate.
Some of ye even take pride in expressing your absolute disrespect for me!!!

... and people don't show disrespect by not replying to posts ... they are entitled to silently disagree if they want.