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At what age did you become a Right Wing Nutter ?

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    #212
    conor.hogan.2
    Registered Users Posts: 5,246 ✭✭✭conor.hogan.2


    Becoming more cynical about how wicked the world can be will help how exactly? (also how do you just come to that realization when you are in your 30's?)


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    #213
    Paddycrumlinman
    Registered Users Posts: 241 ✭✭Paddycrumlinman


    wexie wrote: »
    Which is, I think, exactly the point OP is trying to make.

    Correct, however, the OP is deciding to bury his head in the sand with the issues of the world as long as the issue are not on his doorstep and petrol does not go over 2 euros.. Come on... settling for the ways of the world and like most people, its not my problem once it does not affect them.


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    #214
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,145 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Paddycrumlinman wrote: »
    Correct, however, the OP is deciding to bury his head in the sand with the issues of the world as long as the issue are not on his doorstep and petrol does not go over 2 euros.. Come on... settling for the ways of the world and like most people, its not my problem once it does not affect them.

    At this point, you may well see the right-wingers shifting. And the first thing they'll do is protest, and blame goverement interferance and interviention at the same time.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #215
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    I think you'll probably find that a lot of us what you call 'right wingers' are already blaiming government interference for a lot of things. Regardless of the current price of petrol.


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    #216
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,145 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    wexie wrote: »
    I think you'll probably find that a lot of us what you call 'right wingers' are already blaiming government interference for a lot of things. Regardless of the current price of petrol.

    And in some cases, you may well be right, but i'd argue it was government mismanagement rather than interfereance that would be more accruate in a lot of cases.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #217
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    .........

    can't argue with that one :D


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    #218
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Im neither extreme left or right both sides are born of ignorance in my opinion. Humans dont slot into such neat stereotypes in real life.


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    #219
    AngryBollix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭AngryBollix


    “If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”


    Winston Churchill


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    #220
    AngryBollix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭AngryBollix


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Im neither extreme left or right both sides are born of ignorance in my opinion. Humans dont slot into such neat stereotypes in real life.

    Isnt that a neat stereotype?


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    #221
    OneArt
    Registered Users Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭OneArt


    AngryBollix wrote: »
    “If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”


    Winston Churchill

    Was that quote not meant to be about socialism and capitalism and didn't Karl Marx apparently say it?


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    #222
    hooradiation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    AngryBollix wrote: »
    “If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”


    Winston Churchill

    Good thing nobody posted that shitty quote before.


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    #223
    GombeanMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭GombeanMan


    Libertarians are smarter than both:)


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    #224
    AngryBollix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭AngryBollix


    hooradiation wrote: »
    Good thing nobody posted that shitty quote before.

    Nobody usually responds to it


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    #225
    AngryBollix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭AngryBollix


    OneArt wrote: »
    Was that quote not meant to be about socialism and capitalism and didn't Karl Marx apparently say it?


    I'm not 100% sure.


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    #226
    hooradiation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    GombeanMan wrote: »
    Libertarians are smarter than both:)

    Subscribers to unworkable political theories do have the most delightful sense of unwarranted superiority.


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    #227
    Greentopia
    Registered Users Posts: 3,221 ✭✭✭Greentopia


    GombeanMan wrote: »
    Libertarians are smarter than both:)

    Depends on whether you mean right or left leaning Libertarianism IMO. I detest present day right wing U.S. Anarcho-Capitalists. It would create a nightmare world where nobody would want to live anyway so I can never see it having enough widespread appeal to ever be introduced. Especially not here in Europe.

    Not that I ever see my political philosophy as an Eco(NOT primitivist) Collectivist Libertarian Socialist and Bio-Regionalist ever coming to pass here either though...:pac:


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    #228
    GombeanMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭GombeanMan


    hooradiation wrote: »
    Subscribers to unworkable political theories do have the most delightful sense of unwarranted superiority.

    Switzerland is the most innovative country in Europe by far. Works for them.


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    #229
    GombeanMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭GombeanMan


    Greentopia wrote: »
    Depends on whether you mean right or left leaning Libertarianism IMO. I detest present day right wing U.S. Anarcho-Capitalists. It would create a nightmare world where nobody would want to live anyway so I can never see it having enough widespread appeal to ever be introduced. Especially not here in Europe.

    Not that I ever see my political philosophy as an Eco(NOT primitivist) Collectivist Libertarian Socialist and Bio-Regionalist ever coming to pass here either though...:pac:

    Anarcho-Capatalism is mostly bull****. It's been refuted. Right and Left Libertarianism can both work on a small scale. Though I would argue left libertarianism is closer to Communism/Anarchism than a small Government society.


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    #230
    Greentopia
    Registered Users Posts: 3,221 ✭✭✭Greentopia


    hooradiation wrote: »
    Subscribers to unworkable political theories do have the most delightful sense of unwarranted superiority.

    Not me. People can take or leave my own particular unworkable political theories. :D

    Well in my own head I find it superior to many other ideologies of course but I try not to be an ass and transmit that onto other people and shove my views down their throats. Information in books and websites are out there for people to do their own research and make their own minds up if they want to :cool:


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    #231
    Greentopia
    Registered Users Posts: 3,221 ✭✭✭Greentopia


    GombeanMan wrote: »
    Anarcho-Capatalism is mostly bull****. It's been refuted. Right and Left Libertarianism can both work on a small scale. Though I would argue left libertarianism is closer to Communism/Anarchism than a small Government society.

    Bull**** indeed.

    Left libertarianism (i.e. Libertarian Socialism) is Anarchism though historically. It's only a relatively recent thing to call Libertarianism right wing, because of the likes of Rand and the Libertarian Party in the U.S. who've appropriated that word and turned it into the opposite of it's original meaning.


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    #232
    hooradiation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    GombeanMan wrote: »
    Switzerland is the most innovative country in Europe by far. Works for them.

    I suppose claiming that Switzerland is now a libertarian country is slightly more appealing than the old "somalia as libertarian shangri-la" chestnut.


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    #233
    GombeanMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭GombeanMan


    hooradiation wrote: »
    I suppose claiming that Switzerland is now a libertarian country is slightly more appealing than the old "somalia as libertarian shangri-la" chestnut.

    You don't even understand the basic premise of general Libertarianism. You are clueless on this matter. Somalia is the poster child for Anarchism, not classic Liberalism or Libertarianism. Switzerland is doing extremely well, of course it's more appealing than a stateless every man for himself society like Somalia.


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    #234
    hooradiation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    GombeanMan wrote: »
    You don't even understand the basic premise of general Libertarianism. You are clueless on this matter. Somalia is the poster child for Anarchism, not classic Liberalism or Libertarianism. Switzerland is doing extremely well, of course it's more appealing than a stateless every man for himself society like Somalia.

    Well, if all else fails, claim the other person simply doesn't get it.

    It's no wonder that after all these decades of that kind of effort that libertarians have achieved the level political clout that they have.


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    #235
    GombeanMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭GombeanMan


    hooradiation wrote: »
    Well, if all else fails, claim the other person simply doesn't get it.

    It's no wonder that after all these decades of that kind of effort that libertarians have achieved the level political clout that they have.

    Explain to me how Somalia fits inside the parameters of a Classic Liberal/Libertarian society please. To claim Somalia is Libertarian is laughable. You need to do more research I am afraid. You are as correct as claiming the USA to be a Socialist Haven.


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    #236
    Greentopia
    Registered Users Posts: 3,221 ✭✭✭Greentopia


    hooradiation wrote: »
    Well, if all else fails, claim the other person simply doesn't get it.

    It's no wonder that after all these decades of that kind of effort that libertarians have achieved the level political clout that they have.

    Most left or Social Libertarians don't want political clout though. That goes against the anti-Government, anti-Statist philosophy of most Libertarians.

    It's the right wing 'Libertarians' who want political clout ;)

    Can I recommend a good book to you that's an authoritative study on the different strands and history of Libertarian Socialism, if you're interested? It's called 'Demanding the Impossible' (A History of Anarchism) by Peter Marshall. It covers everything from Anarcho-Syndicalists, Anarcha-feminism, Communists, Individualists, Taoists, Situationists and so on, and all the classical anarchist thinkers and writers as well as the likes of Chomsky, Gandhi, Tolstoy, Neitzche...

    Best, most comprehensive book on the subject I've ever read.

    Interesting for anyone with even a passing interest in political theory actually.


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    #237
    agcainte
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    wexie wrote: »
    My mother always says it's disgraceful that we need a license to drive (and many other things) but everybody can just have kids.

    And then to think there are heaps of people that go through years of intrusive interviews and counselling, then spend a fortune for the priviledge of raising a child (usually from another country) because they so desperately want one. And these people are normally a lot more suited to be parents than a lot of the ones you're talking about.....

    Makes me sad for the children.

    Very true. I often think of people who can't have children and would make great parents and then you see for example someone like - remember Karen Matthews (Shannon Matthews case in England). It just seems so strange that this woman is able to have so many children without any fertility problems or anything and she doesn't care for them properly at all and there are people desperate to have a family and would be wonderful and can't. There are so many children in the world that are unloved. Very sad side of life.


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    #238
    af_thefragile
    Registered Users Posts: 7,171 ✭✭✭af_thefragile


    I used to be very leftist socialist a few years ago. Inspired by Che Guevara and all.
    Then I went through a phrase where I was an Anarchist moving towards Anarcho-capitalism.

    Not I'm more towards the right but not total right wing.

    I believe income tax should be low, people should be allowed to keep what they earn. I believe privatization is a good thing because it brings in competition and competition encourages innovation. I believe in free markets without any government involvement. I also believe people need to take personal responsibility and be willing to take risks and not look towards the government to catch them if they fall. They need to be more prepared and have back up plans.

    But at the same time I believe there should be a welfare system to support and give grants to the deprived. Private hospitals should have government subsidies to look after patients who don't have health insurance. Important essential services such as transport, police, prisons etc. should be under state control because privatization of those services will not be a good thing. And I don't believe everything should be legal. I believe there should be limits to what businesses can and cannot be done and what good can and cannot be sold.

    Also I believe corporations (and people) need to have an environmental responsibility which again needs to be enforced by the government and if the corporations do not act responsibly then they should be fined.

    I'm quite anti-war as well. Wars usually cause more problems than they solve.

    So overall I lean to the right but I'm not totally right wing and I don't think I'm going to change my stance in the future.


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    #239
    MaxSteele
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭MaxSteele


    Let me see ...... I am ...

    Pro - Gay rights/Abortion/Prostitution/Religion/Secularism/Anti-racist/Legalisation of drugs/Stricter, Tougher prisons/Less prisoner rights/European Culture and Identity over "multiculturalism"/ Guns for law abiding home owners/ Middle and working classes/Three Strikes rule for criminals/Scrutiny of dole recipients, Single parents, Welfare and free education/healthcare for the genuine poverty stricken with ambition and determination to succeed in life.
    Your home is your castle laws ... ie, (automatic right to kill intruders.)
    Pro - white ethnicity majority of population.

    Anti - Junkies/Single(career) mothers with numerous fathers/Islam/Wars in the middle east for oil/Roma Gypsies/Travellers/

    Yes I know some of my views come across as very contradictory and Hypocritical. Maybe you can cure me :)


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    #240
    kieranfitz
    Registered Users Posts: 592 ✭✭✭kieranfitz


    MaxSteele wrote: »
    Let me see ...... I am ...

    Pro - Gay rights/Abortion/Prostitution/Religion/Secularism/Anti-racist/Legalisation of drugs/Stricter, Tougher prisons/Less prisoner rights/European Culture and Identity over "multiculturalism"/ Guns for law abiding home owners/ Middle and working classes/Three Strikes rule for criminals/Scrutiny of dole recipients, Single parents, Welfare and free education/healthcare for the genuine poverty stricken with ambition and determination to succeed in life.
    Your home is your castle laws ... ie, (automatic right to kill intruders.)
    Pro - white ethnicity majority of population.

    Anti - Junkies/Single(career) mothers with numerous fathers/Islam/Wars in the middle east for oil/Roma Gypsies/Travellers/

    Yes I know some of my views come across as very contradictory and Hypocritical. Maybe you can cure me :)

    Your idea's are interesting to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.


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    #241
    MaxSteele
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭MaxSteele


    Newsletter ?? I sense sarcasm


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