At what age did you become a Right Wing Nutter ?

Logical Fallacy

as125634do wrote: »

yeh i forgot a rule; Keep some things to urswlf. But i was an easy target so people cud speculate and assume things so i had to devise a plan

Nope, the rule you forgot is to type some sense, not vomit marbles onto the keyboard and call it a post.

questionmark?

bullpost wrote: »

Also we should try harder to keep people out of jail . I'm not talking about the recidivists , but those who go into the system for the first time.
Once you get a prison record chances are you will re-offend, not because you want to , but because you are now socially isolated and will most likely be a burden on society for the rest of your life.

We don't have long enough jail sentences in Ireland. Pathetic sentences that don't act as a deterrent to re-offending. A suspended sentance for the vast majoriy means you actually got away with robbing a house, assault, car theft etc...


eat puppies etc etc...

>>> heading to the right:pac:

amacachi

There is no real right or left in politics where it matters. The "divide" is just the middle part of a coin.

sheesh

bnt wrote: »

I think all religions are delusions, and that this planet needs to have fewer, better people on it. I have no idea how those sit on the conventional political axes.

so that would be 1 for the Geoncidal eugenicists party ?

Calibos

Can't believe no one quoted good 'ol Winston Churchill yet.

Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains.

hooradiation

Calibos wrote: »

Can't believe no one quoted good 'ol Winston Churchill yet.

They did.
And it's even worse the second time.

angry kitten

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

They don't have other choices!!! Imagine growing up in some kip where no one finished 3rd year in school, everyone is selling drugs and involved in gangs, and general anti-social behaviour, your parents are drunks and junkies and don't give a f**k about you. Do you think you would be the one f**king shining light of society to come out of that environment? If you do you need to get over yourself.

That is exactly why the system needs to change. Parents like that have nothing to offer a child. Children should be entitled to a decent standard of living. Parents who behave in the manner you describe should lose custody of their children, they should also lose entitlement to social housing and any child related benefits. Those people rob children of any meaningful future and are a blight, there are also far more of them than the government would have people believe.

wexie

angry kitten wrote: »

That is exactly why the system needs to change. Parents like that have nothing to offer a child. Children should be entitled to a decent standard of living. Parents who behave in the manner you describe should lose custody of their children, they should also lose entitlement to social housing and any child related benefits. Those people rob children of any meaningful future and are a blight, there are also far more of them than the government would have people believe.

Wholeheartedly agree, unfortunately, it would appear that the systems currently in place to either support those parents to better themselves, or to support those kids once they're taken away from the parents, are actually worse than just leaving them in place.

Which brings it nicely around as it would probably take some leftist (spits on ground in horror) thinking and action to sort that out first. No point taking kids away from horrible and unfit parents only to land them in a system which is at least as bad (or worse).

I'm married to a social worker, we have some interesting discussions

OneArt

I'm all for peace and love and civil liberties, but if some c*nt breaks into one's home and poses a threat then they deserve to be shot. It's just common sense and self defense.

DEFTLEFTHAND

OneArt wrote: »

I'm all for peace and love and civil liberties, but if some c*nt breaks into one's home and poses a threat then they deserve to be shot. It's just common sense and self defense.

Yes I agree. I'm thinking of acquiring a firearm at the moment as there has been a spate of gold robberies in my area and I fear my gaff could be on some gypos radar.

I'm not sure would I have the balls to shoot to kill though, I'd probably aim for an extremity and try and subdue the bastard until the Gardai arrive.

angry kitten

wexie wrote: »

Wholeheartedly agree, unfortunately, it would appear that the systems currently in place to either support those parents to better themselves, or to support those kids once they're taken away from the parents, are actually worse than just leaving them in place.

Which brings it nicely around as it would probably take some leftist (spits on ground in horror) thinking and action to sort that out first. No point taking kids away from horrible and unfit parents only to land them in a system which is at least as bad (or worse).

I'm married to a social worker, we have some interesting discussions

I'd agree with you about the state of institutions for children in this country. We need safe and supportive care for children from those environments. If children are left in a criminal environment the odds are stacked against them. Some will make a success of their lives but I'd be interested to know the numbers of prisoners or ex cons who have a family history of criminal offences. You only have to look at the courts service pages to see how many generations of families are before the courts on a regular basis. I'm not going to name any names, but I have seen it in my area and I know that the kids have no chance in life. It sickens me to see people treat their kids so badly and they don't just get away with it, in some cases they cash in on it by saying the kids have ADHD or some such.

Ellis Dee

OneArt wrote: »

I'm all for peace and love and civil liberties, but if some c*nt breaks into one's home and poses a threat then they deserve to be shot. It's just common sense and self defense.

Not necessarily shot, but certainly disabled or rendered incapable of continuing to pose a threat and detained until the police arrive. Unless, of course, you get some kick out of killing people and then boasting about it to your admiring tea party associates.:)

However, that is a view that people of virtually every ideological or political persuasion would share. Common sense is something to be found all the way across the political spectrum and is not something on which right-wingers hold a monopoly, least of all those of them who believe some kind of sky fairy created the world and all of the flora and fauna in it, as is, some 6,000 years ago.:D

Rabidlamb

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Yes I agree. I'm thinking of acquiring a firearm at the moment as there has been a spate of gold robberies in my area and I fear my gaff could be on some gypos radar.

I'm not sure would I have the balls to shoot to kill though, I'd probably aim for an extremity and try and subdue the bastard until the Gardai arrive.

Think of the messy court proceedings.
He's hardly told anyone he's going to rob Lefty's house so bang bang, drive 20 miles & ditch.
It cuts down on the paperwork & the cost of the prison system.

wexie

angry kitten wrote: »

It sickens me to see people treat their kids so badly and they don't just get away with it, in some cases they cash in on it by saying the kids have ADHD or some such.

My mother always says it's disgraceful that we need a license to drive (and many other things) but everybody can just have kids.

And then to think there are heaps of people that go through years of intrusive interviews and counselling, then spend a fortune for the priviledge of raising a child (usually from another country) because they so desperately want one. And these people are normally a lot more suited to be parents than a lot of the ones you're talking about.....

Makes me sad for the children.

mfceiling

I was always more right wing than left wing liberal.

Father worked hard (still does) and had it installed in us from early that you work hard and don't look to others (the state) to support you.

I'm 37 and married with 3 kids....got broken into recently and got the car robbed, laptop and wifes purse...guess who'll pick up the tab for that when the next insurance renewal comes through the door?
Yet the bleeding heart liberals will tell me the poor robber is from a disadvantaged background and should be pitied and be given help not punishment.

Never mind me...I'll just have to work a few more Saturdays and a few longer evenings to make up the difference.

RichieC

mfceiling wrote: »

Yet the bleeding heart liberals will tell me the poor robber is from a disadvantaged background and should be pitied and be given help not punishment.

Never mind me...I'll just have to work a few more Saturdays and a few longer evenings to make up the difference.

What a bloody strawman... who in their right mind feels sorry for home robbers?

This is the kind of idiocy that can only come from the right...

alphanine

Rabidlamb wrote: »

I had a good run as a young hippy liberal.
Save the whales, no US troops through Shannon, feed the world, reliable healthcare for all, no to Sellafield & all that.
Since I've been married, bought a house & had kids I've become much more conservative.
Liberal issues now do nothing for me, I see welfare state spongers as the lowest rung of society, if you can't afford that expensive operation will you just hurry up & die quickly, I don't care where my energy comes from as long as it's cheap, blow up half the middle-east if it keeps petrol below €2 a litre, I can't wait to shot a burglar.
It's getting worse the older I get & I'm only 39, what am I going to be like when I'm 70.
There's a chance I could vote FF again in my lifetime.

At what age did you flip to the darkside ?.

I think becoming educated in finance/economics has swayed me more to the right.

Socialism is great.... until you run out of other peoples money.

wexie

alphanine wrote: »

Socialism is great.... until you run out of other peoples money.

Ah....good old Maggy

<ducks and runs for cover>

as125634do

yeah the older you get the uglier you get ya scaldy cnut

right wingers run around with their paramilitary gangs killing loads of people making examples for their 'superior' right wing mingens... taking the mickey? no u guys have butchered way more people than any common left winger.

if there was no lazy people the right wingers wud turn lazy themselves. dont you get anything wheres this divine inspiration coming from? ur natural drug? oh yeah hatred... i wont be forgetting the 'innocent' 9 year old girl who called me a queer to my face couple months ago...thats not really child abuse though thats just good right wing preparation i guess?

the poor can rob me all they like i wasnt born poor and ill work twice as hard next day to replace what was stolen. its not the end of the world. i certainly wudnt shoot someone just for robbing my gaff haha. if i was that farmer who killed the traveller id probably shoot a warning shot or something i wudnt shoot anyone in the back. the traveller wasnt going to rape the farmer but the poor farmer was scareded awwww mammy make the bad man go away FUKIN PUSY

hmmm

as125634do wrote: »

the poor can rob me all they like i wasnt born poor and ill work twice as hard next day to replace what was stolen. its not the end of the world. i certainly wudnt shoot someone just for robbing my gaff haha.

The grammar and spelling abilities of our left wing brethren drove me to the dark side of right-of-center politics.

wexie

hmmm wrote: »

The grammar and spelling abilities of our left wing brethren drove me to the dark side of right-of-center politics.

I think in this particular case it's probably more an adolescent thing rather than a genuine, well founded and thought out political (moral?) view born of education and experience.

Sindri

I prefer finding a practical solution to an issue or problem.

*shrug*

mfceiling

RichieC wrote: »

What a bloody strawman... who in their right mind feels sorry for home robbers?

This is the kind of idiocy that can only come from the right...

The amount of people who feel sorry for robbers is more than you think.
When that bast*rd in Dundalk broke into that mans house and then got flattened by him in the jeep, the usual "he's from a broken home etc" brigade came out in support of the robber

I was talking to a school teacher after I'd been robbed and she told me that she taught in a disdvantaged area in west Dublin and that I should feel sorry for these people because they don't have much.
I asked her do they know the difference between right and wrong?
Do they know it's wrong to steal?

I don't give a flying fcuk how little or much you have...don't go thieving from others to line your own pocket...

_Gawd_

Not sure what the OP means by "liberal hippy"..(in US context) since when were hippies socialist minded? Don't hippies preach freedom? The movement in the 60's and 70's that opposed Nixon's warmongering/big government worldview were certainly not authoritarian. The were polar opposite and therefore, libertarian.

Forget about the left/right political spectrum. As things stand, you either have total left i.e - Communism or total right i.e - Fascism; both sides of which advocate total control over you and your mind. The only remaining bastion of freedom are the politicians that promote liberty i.e - Libertarianism. Some of whoms policies include anti-war, anti-corporation, anti-state, pro-free market.

BraziliaNZ

angry kitten wrote: »

That is exactly why the system needs to change. Parents like that have nothing to offer a child. Children should be entitled to a decent standard of living. Parents who behave in the manner you describe should lose custody of their children, they should also lose entitlement to social housing and any child related benefits. Those people rob children of any meaningful future and are a blight, there are also far more of them than the government would have people believe.

ok, so at what stage do we stop helping kids from these backgrounds? The day they turn 16? 18? Right wingers will say the kids should be taken off horrible parents but when kids do something wrong they call sob story on the fact that they come from a horrible background. Yeah maybe they should be taken off horrible parents but then we'd need to spend millions rehabilitating the kids anyway. Either way, funding is the only thing that will fix a broken society, not locking people up, in my opinion.

goose2005

mfceiling wrote: »

The amount of people who feel sorry for robbers is more than you think.
When that bast*rd in Dundalk broke into that mans house and then got flattened by him in the jeep, the usual "he's from a broken home etc" brigade came out in support of the robber

I was talking to a school teacher after I'd been robbed and she told me that she taught in a disdvantaged area in west Dublin and that I should feel sorry for these people because they don't have much.
I asked her do they know the difference between right and wrong?
Do they know it's wrong to steal?

I don't give a flying fcuk how little or much you have...don't go thieving from others to line your own pocket...

But it's inevitable that if we allow there to be, say, 100,000 very poor people in society, a few thousand of them will commit minor crimes, and a small core will commit major crimes. You don't have to empathise with the actual individuals who commit crimes, but the number of crimes like this is directly linked to the number of economically/socially excluded people we allow there to be in society.

The man in Dundalk had already run away and posed no further threat - it's odd that people will approve of escalation in cases like this, but if you glass someone for eyeballing your bird all of sudden you're the crazy one

angry kitten

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

ok, so at what stage do we stop helping kids from these backgrounds? The day they turn 16? 18? Right wingers will say the kids should be taken off horrible parents but when kids do something wrong they call sob story on the fact that they come from a horrible background. Yeah maybe they should be taken off horrible parents but then we'd need to spend millions rehabilitating the kids anyway. Either way, funding is the only thing that will fix a broken society, not locking people up, in my opinion.

I think that children need to be helped at a young age, the younger the better. What use is a parent who laughs at the idea of reading a book or doing an honest days work. We all know successive governments have woefully neglected child services in this country. I've seen the damage that scumbags can do to children. The authorities are fully aware but nothing changes because there doesn't seem to be anywhere for these kids to go. The longer kids are left in a toxic environment the more damage is done.

The sad reality is that when a child grows up in a family where their father, grandfather, uncles and aunts and family friends all have criminal records the odds are that the child is going down the same road. Maybe early intervention is whats needed. Perhaps putting an infrastructure in place to properly care for kids from these families would go a long way to cutting crime in the long term. Poverty and ignorance are things that if ignored will affect everybody. Taking kids out of that environment might be a cheaper solution in the long run. After all if we leave children in an environment where they are not taught any respect for themselves we cannot expect them to show respect for the rest of society.

Jorah

Watching my town and country absolutely transform over the years due to immigration and the lack of accountability from politicians really angered me. You start to realise the basic fundamentals that make up a successful society and understand it needs some protection.


Or maybe I'm just an English pigfaced wanker.

Son Of A Vidic

Rabidlamb wrote: »

It's getting worse the older I get & I'm only 39, what am I going to be like when I'm 70.

Probably better at trolling.

K-9

Calibos wrote: »

Can't believe no one quoted good 'ol Winston Churchill yet.

He was.

Churchill probably had a good few Brandies in him when he came up with that quote so his "mature recollection" may have been poor as well.